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post #1201 of 6711
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Originally Posted by glock115 View Post

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Why does my news ticker look like this?
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This is not AMP, it is the "film mode".

In the menu, go to picture.picture_options.film_mode and set it to off.
post #1202 of 6711
I've been watching a small amount of Lawrence of Arabia, and I'm starting to like the Standard Color Temperature over Warm 2 now.

But wow this is an amazing looking film. It may be from 1962 but it's still absolutely stunning.
post #1203 of 6711
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

Hi Eagle ,

You got the "Beast" out of the box yet !! biggrin.gif

Later smile.gif

G. 

Nope - there were some storms this evening and my girlfriend and I just got a quick bite to eat and then I dropped her off, so it'll have to wait 'til tomorrow I guess.
post #1204 of 6711
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Originally Posted by adgrimes View Post

Thank god I don't live in Europe. Seems like Eurpean sets have issues with cinema black. Also I have heard of some concern of the flashlighting. I wonder how different the sets are between Canada, America, and Europe.



Eagle--I have to disagree with you on this one. Many people do just go in and buy a tv and end up "accepting" the default color settings. They do not even realize they would be happier if they tweaked the colors some. Most people are ignorant and just assume this is what a tv is supposed to looke like.

Well, I certainly agree that there are many who just buy them and take them out of the box and watch it on dynamic without even touching the settings. No question. In fact, probably the majority of people do this (which makes me sad). But from the flashlighting and clouding I've seen on my Samsungs, I can't imagine that being ignored completely by everybody. I see lots and lots of tv returns at Best Buy, so lots of people clearly aren't satisfied with their sets. My girlfriend in no way cares about this stuff in general, but she was surprised at the "V" shape cloud on our ES7500, and she commented on it the first night we turned it on. Her folks watch their tv from different places in the living room - sometimes her mom is on the chair in the corner while her dad is on the floor on the other side of the room, both watching the set while doing other things. They would in no way accept a viewing angle like these Samsung panels have - and they don't know the first thing about these sets - but the first night they tried to watch a tv like this I think they would likely box it back up just due to the viewing angle limitations.

So while I agree that many just don't know or care, I don't think you need to be a videophile to be bothered by some of these issues. I do agree that many are ignorant towards this stuff. Sometimes that's for the better, sometimes not.
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

Hey RW ,

Thanks for the link wink.gif

BTW__I got my remote today , man that thing is fairly cool !! biggrin.gif

I couple of buttons I am not sure about , but I will post more later , really nice looking remote.

Another thing Samsung screwed up , they should have put one of those in the box !!

Later smile.gif

Gary 

Isn't that remote awesome? I can't believe I got that for around $10. Amazing. It looks and feels like it belongs with this set.
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Hi Eagle ,

Thanks for the update , you and your GF be safe , those tornados are nasty.

This goes out to all whom might have been affected by the tornadic activity in OK.

God speed , and we wish you all the best , our thoughts and prayers are with you.

The AVS forum.

Gary 
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Hey Eagle ,

Yup biggrin.gif

That is one cool looking remote , surly Samsung should have included with the F8000.

It really matches the stand , and no rubber buttons , now thats a plus !! biggrin.gif

Good luck with your new set , man you must really be anxious eek.gif

Later smile.gif

Gary 
post #1208 of 6711
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Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

Hey RW ,

Thanks for the link wink.gif

BTW__I got my remote today , man that thing is fairly cool !! biggrin.gif

I couple of buttons I am not sure about , but I will post more later , really nice looking remote.

Another thing Samsung screwed up , they should have put one of those in the box !!

Later smile.gif

Gary 

I just updated that post on page 40 with more info. I hope it is accurate... smile.gif
post #1209 of 6711
Hi RW ,

Thanks for the update smile.gif

Do you know your way around the service menu for the F8000 ?

If so , I have a couple hundred questions I would like to ask !! , well not really a hundred , but a couple biggrin.gif .

Later ,

G. 
post #1210 of 6711
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Originally Posted by hammeron56 View Post

This is not AMP, it is the "film mode".

In the menu, go to picture.picture_options.film_mode and set it to off.

The manual says that option is only available in the 8500 series, I hope there is some kind of fix cuz I'm about ready to take this one back and get a Panny plasma.

● Film Mode
Optimizes the picture quality for movies. Select the mode for watching movies. This feature is only available when watching TV or when the input signal is AV, Component (480i, 1080i), or HDMI (1080i). The Cinema Smooth option is only active when the TV inputs an HDMI 24Hz signal. The Cinema Smooth option is only available for PDP 8500 series. Try Now
post #1211 of 6711
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Originally Posted by RadioWonder View Post

Having problems with Product Registration. Does not seem to work on the Samsung website. I opened a Samsung Account on my new TV,then verified it on my Email account.
Then went here... http://www.samsung.com/us/support/register/product
Not sure if it's just Sunday web traffic or the Product Registration does not work...
Also went here...https://account.samsung.com/membership/service/getServieInfoList.do

And went here and sent them an Email... http://help.content.samsung.com/csweb/main/main.do

If I wasn't so tired it may even be funny... mad.gif

Edit 5/20-13... Did "Live Chat" at Samsung Support and gave all details and he suggested I contact Samsung Support. Total Fail!!!
The Email has a drop-down Model # and my New TV is not listed. It stops at the UN46ESXXXX Series... So it will not let me send the Email.
Another Total Fail!!!

Just fired another Email on Facebook Samsung Support... Now to wait for a reply...

Finally got my F8000 Product Registration completed... At the top of Facebook Samsung Support page is "Ask Samsung". This takes you to a form to fill out. They respond within twenty four hours... They sent me a special link to complete my F8000 Product Registration... Of course you can ask any question about any Samsung product... Just be sure to open a Samsung Account first for quicker service... http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ smile.gif

https://www.facebook.com/samsungsupport
post #1212 of 6711
I solved a reflection problem off my F8000 TV... I noticed my Tiffany style lamp was reflecting off the white wall behind it. I used an unconventional method to resolve the problem.
I purchased two 1/8" "Presentation Boards in Matte Black" from my local http://www.michaels.com/
Then used one translucent Push Pin to fasten them to the back wall behind the Tiffany lamp... It is slightly ugly but works very well ... biggrin.gif
You could put it in a Black Matte Picture Frame and this would keep the Ugly Factor at a low level... cool.gif
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Or you could purchase one of Ad Reinhardt's black modern art paintings from the 60"s...

Ad Reinhardt hangs his black paintings to dry, New York, 1966.


Edited by RadioWonder - 5/22/13 at 3:00am
post #1213 of 6711
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Originally Posted by glock115 View Post

The manual says that option is only available in the 8500 series, I hope there is some kind of fix cuz I'm about ready to take this one back and get a Panny plasma.

● Film Mode
Optimizes the picture quality for movies. Select the mode for watching movies. This feature is only available when watching TV or when the input signal is AV, Component (480i, 1080i), or HDMI (1080i). The Cinema Smooth option is only active when the TV inputs an HDMI 24Hz signal. The Cinema Smooth option is only available for PDP 8500 series. Try Now

More false info from Samsung. Film Mode and Cinema Smooth are 2 different things.

The F8500 is not the only set that has Film Mode. That's nonsense. Film Mode controls how the tv de-interlaces content. As nother postar above said, that tearing could possibly be caused by the de-interlacing mode not set correctly. You have a choice of Mode1, Mode2, or Off. If you'e watching progressive scan video (like DVD or blu-ray or many media files), then it doesn't matter what it's set to because it only affects interlaced video. However, if you're watching a tv channel or a video source that's interlaced, the wrong setting in Film Mode can cause things like what you posted there. Try changing the film mode to a different setting, or try turning it off and see how it looks.

Regarding that manual quote, Cinema Smooth is only available on the F8500 because that's a plasma thing - the LED sets don't need that mode to display 24Hz content correctly. So it's right that Cinema Smooth is only available on the plasma, but it's wrong in saying that Film Mode is only available in the F8500 too.
post #1214 of 6711
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

More false info from Samsung. Film Mode and Cinema Smooth are 2 different things.

The F8500 is not the only set that has Film Mode. That's nonsense. Film Mode controls how the tv de-interlaces content. As nother postar above said, that tearing could possibly be caused by the de-interlacing mode not set correctly. You have a choice of Mode1, Mode2, or Off. If you'e watching progressive scan video (like DVD or blu-ray or many media files), then it doesn't matter what it's set to because it only affects interlaced video. However, if you're watching a tv channel or a video source that's interlaced, the wrong setting in Film Mode can cause things like what you posted there. Try changing the film mode to a different setting, or try turning it off and see how it looks.

Regarding that manual quote, Cinema Smooth is only available on the F8500 because that's a plasma thing - the LED sets don't need that mode to display 24Hz content correctly. So it's right that Cinema Smooth is only available on the plasma, but it's wrong in saying that Film Mode is only available in the F8500 too.

I found the Film mode and it was defaulted to off and the option is greyed out so I couldnt put it on if I wanted to.
I am also noticing a faint vertical band thats basically in the center of the tv.
Edited by glock115 - 5/22/13 at 11:14am
post #1215 of 6711
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Originally Posted by glock115 View Post

I found the Film mode and it was defaulted to off and the option is greyed out so I couldnt put it on if I wanted to.
I am also noticing a faint vertical band thats basically in the center of the tv.

The Film Mode option is only available to change when the TV is receiving an interlaced (480i) signal - like an old regular DVD. Try running a couple of those and I'll bet the option shows up as being available to change.
Edited by BillKen - 5/22/13 at 11:43am
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Hi guys,

Looking to buy the UN55F8000. However, I owned the previous C series. As great as the tv's were, they had some serious color bleeding and I know there was a panel lottery.

Some panels not being as good etc, just wondering is there still a panel lottery with these sets? Or are they equal now?

thanks
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Yet my cheap 20" samsung lcd from 2007 does not display an issue with the news ticker
Edited by glock115 - 5/22/13 at 1:08pm
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This is a quote from the recent hdtvtest review of the Sony w905a (w900a in the US):

"When we placed our Leo Bodnar input lag tester on the generated flashing box with the Sony KDL-55W905A set to [Game Mode], we were bowled over by the returned figure of 19.6ms, the lowest we’ve recorded since we started using the device. Seeking to verify this unheard-of level of gaming responsiveness, we then used the more conventional high-speed camera/ digital timer method, which showed the W9 lagging by merely 8ms (half a frame) compared to a CRT display. This is an utterly outstanding achievement, especially on a flagship model like the W905A. From our past experience, the more advanced the TV, the more complex the video processing, and the higher the input lag, but somehow Sony has managed to program its [Game Mode] to bypass the majority of the circuitry, providing gamers with an almost surreal, blazingly fluid degree of responsiveness."

This makes me hate Samsung. They obviously put zero effort into thinking about gamers this year, and the very high input lag on the F8000 proves it. Even in PC mode it doesn't compare to the Sony. The F8000 game mode clocks in around 80ms+, which I confirmed with my own lag test. Really sad that game mode is so useless. Samsung dropped the ball completely on the F8000 regarding input lag. Now, it may be possible that some updates could improve game mode performance - but we don't really expect them to care enough to bother, do we?
Edited by eagle_2 - 5/22/13 at 9:23pm
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A french review of the F8000:

"Samsung F8000 test: a nearly perfect Edge LED TV".

http://www.hdfever.fr/2013/04/24/test-samsung-f8000-une-tv-edge-led-presque-parfaite/

Use Google to translate. A very thorough review. Keep in mind that they don't have Precision Black over there so that does affect the image quality.

I found this passage interesting regarding Precision Black:

"However, Samsung has confirmed that the European F8000 were not identical to the U.S. F8000. Indeed, they boarded a feature called Precision Black found at home only on 75 ", then it is present on all U.S. sizes. This function allows us to offer deeper blacks, but according to Samsung, it also tends to clog black, and always according to them, the European models offer less gloomy than bites U.S. models scenes, I ask to see. Samsung is it the same speech to U.S. users? I doubt it ..."

The translation used the word "clog" but I believe they mean "crush". They say Samsung tells them Precision Black tends to crush blacks, so their sets are better without it. Like them, I wonder what Samsung tells us about why ours are better than theirs? I wonder what the truth is about that? Is it better with or without that function? I would think it should be an improvement - but there must be a reason why they don't get this feature and we do.

Something else interesting - like many other reviews, they mention that Cinema Black on low is ineffective and does nothing, and Med and High causes brightness fluctuations that make the feature "unusable" in their words. Really weird how that's so messed up over there. I'm very picky and easily annoyed with image instability, and I leave Cinema Black on all the time. The only thing that's noticeable is when credits are rolling up the screen, there is some fluctuations across the screen and in the letterbox bars, as the credits change positions, like the different LEDs are dimming and brightening a bit as the text appears n different areas of the screen against the black background. That may be SMART LED coming into play also. But I don't notice any brightness fluctuations caused by Cinema Black, and it's certainly very effective at darkening the bars. The bars look extremely dark with it enabled.

Also, their brightness is set to 39 - way too low, but again it might be different over there with the Eu set.
Edited by eagle_2 - 5/22/13 at 11:11pm
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One thing I disagree with in that review is their take on input lag:

" I'm not a big gamer, but by activating the "Game" mode in the preferences, the inputlag is very low, at around 20 ms, as was the case with the ES8000."

This goes against what others have noted, and I myself have measured much higher numbers when I tested input lag. There's no way game mode in this set has only 20ms. PC mode, maybe - I got between 18ms and 35ms in PC mode with multiple tests. Maybe the EU model has much lower input lag in game mode? If this is true, then that means the US game mode is broken and needs a fix in an update.
post #1221 of 6711
Well I bought the un55f8000

Very happy. Coming from plasma, the whites are ultra white and bright. Blacks are good and led just looks sharper than my plasma.

No banding no clouding and no flashlighting from what I can see so far

Only negative is the off angle viewing. Washes ou a bit but ive accepted this flaw as a part of led.

I got the ts01 panel.

I game as well and it seems people are not happy with the input lag but it felt fine to me I think with game mode on.

I also updated the firmware to v 1103. Anybody know what this did?


Overall super happy with this tv
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Hi all, pulled the trigger and bought the 65, will be delivered the 28th from my local BB. Does anyone else on here have the 65 yet?

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Here is my brief review of the 65" F8000 - UN65F8000

Background:
I had 4 different UN65ES8000 sets delivered by Amazon over the last 4-5 months. All had stuck or dead pixels (or both) and the banding on all 4 sets was unacceptable (note: EVERY panel above 55"-60" regardless of manufacturer is going to have some vertical banding). All of those sets were returned. (Note: Amazon also initially did a horrible job of delivery with those sets sending a 1-man crew to deliver a set that requires 2 people to carry properly.) I just could not swallow spending $3500 on a set where the picture had so many issues.

Review:

Ordered the UN65F8000 from Amazon. Was delivered this week with a new delivery company (seems Amazon finally got the message). 2-person crew, very careful and nice.

Build:
The build quality on the 65" F8000 is far above that of the old ES series. It irked me that the ES series frame had metal edges that were just "bent" into place and didn't even join entirely at the corners. The back panel was also an eyesore. The overall fit and finish is not what you would have expected of a $3500 set. The F8000 improves on all of these points. There are no seams at the corners, there is a continuous metal band that wraps around the entire set. The bezel is small and unobtrusive - very sleek, very minimalist. The camera is no longer fixed at the top of the set and the Samsung logo at the bottom of the bezel has been reduced significantly in size. Overall, the package is just about perfect. Without going to an edge-to-edge glass design, I really don't see how it could be improved upon. The old ES series you noticed the frame (as small as it was) - the new F8000 series you are challenged to even see the frame - it is that good.

Interface:
I am not a huge user of the Samsung Apps, but the new layout is much better and mimics what you'd expect to see on a tablet or such. New quad-core processor does seem noticeably snappier in operation than the ES series.

Picture:
In my humble opinion, big improvements here over the 65" ES series. Not perfect by any means, but significantly improved. First, I did a pixel test using R/G/B/White screens. Amazingly, I lucked out and had no stuck or dead pixels. I test by looking at the solid color screen from about 1 foot away (at normal viewing distances you'd be challenged to even see a single dead or stuck pixel). There is one pixel (not even sure it is an entire pixel) that at 1 foot away appears to have an issue, but only when viewed off-angle. If I look straight-on or back up slightly, you don't see it at all. Certainly can't see it from intermediate viewing distance or true viewing distance. Don't know what that is about or why it is only visible from off-angle (perhaps something to do with 3D?). Anyhow, from my very bad experience of going through 4 ES series sets, and each getting worse (or just a different type of bad), this looks like a definite keeper.

Did a vertical banding test using a solid 50% gray screen. You can definitely make out vertical banding on this test from a normal viewing distance, but it is significantly more subtle than the 65" ES series. The ES series banding was dark and stuck out like a sore thumb. Further, the ES banding that I encountered on all 4 of my sets was not even uniform making it stand out even more. The banding I see on the 65" F8000 is definitely there, but lighter and the bands are more uniform. I am seeing them down the center and about 1/3 the way out on each side of center. Since I have experience with 4 different ES8000 sets (all 65") I can definitely tell you that the vertical banding is still there, but has been improved. Note to the wise: If you test for it on a larger set 60" or above, you'll likely see it if you know what you are looking for. If you don't watch a lot of soccer (my favorite), hockey, or golf you likely won't have an issue with it. I would challenge most casual TV watchers of network and cable TV shows to even see it. Bottom line on the F8000 - vertical banding is still there, diminished and I think tolerable. I've watched some movies, TV, and a soccer match and it is better that the ES.

No real issues with flashlighting or any clouding that I can make out. Blacks look pretty darn good, though I have yet to watch anything like Batman on it yet.

The picture itself is very good. I think better than the ES series. Despite some other comments here, I think the picture "pops" just as much as the ES series did. Colors look really good, very vivid picture. I do have background in color sciences, though I never go as far as to professionally calibrate my TV (sure, I know I probably should). Bottom line: the picture looks great. You'll be thrilled watching any type of TV show or series, animated stuff looks unreal (The Lorax - thus why they play that at Best Buy - probably looks OK on any set), and sports look great with the exception of panning shots (esp. soccer, hockey, golf) where you will make out the banding. Note: On my old ES series sets that I returned, I watched a ton of soccer and eventually my perception of the banding went away over time. Not saying this will happen for everyone, but if you appreciate the overall picture quality and don't think about the banding, you'll see much less of it.

Overall:
In my opinion, big improvement over last year's set and worth the pain I went through with my 4 returns to finally end up with the F8000. Most of us here are insane about our TVs. Reality is that there is no perfect TV. Edge lit LED-LCD sets like the 65" F8000 will all have some issues. I think the ones here are acceptable and overall this is a very good 65" set. To save yourself from going crazy, don't do a pixel test or banding test. Just watch it and see what you think. If you like what you see in your viewing conditions with your content, you have a keeper - and your sanity...

Another way to do this is to go buy a crappy LCD like I did as a stop-gap while I was TV-less waiting for the F8000. I picked up a Vizio 55". My wife who is as far from a videophile as one can be even commented how crappy the picture was on the Vizio. When the F8000 came this week and I returned the stop-gap Vizio, she said, "Oh boy, now I can really see the difference. Glad we have this TV."

Good luck all!

(PS - Any comments on what I may be seeing with that one weird pixel?)
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Thanks for posting your review. I've been having dead pixels issues as well. I'm on my third and as soon as I get it set up, I'll find out if this one is a keeper.

One thing interesting about your thoughts as an option to just buy a cheap tv as a "stop gap" - that's not a bad idea, and I'm almost there myself if this F8000 doesn't work out. The only thing I'm afraid of is there's no guarantee that sets will improve say next year, or the year after, etc. - For instance, looking at the Sony W900a, some are saying it's no better, or maybe worse, than last year - and there's no gorilla glass this year, so in some respects it's a step backwards for them. So this set may end up being better than whatever Samsung does next year. For all we know this may turn out to be the crown jewel for the nest few years.

I really like this tv short of usual Samsung issues, and I agree it's a huge improvement over the ES series. I really hope my 3rd set is the charm. If it wasn't for the dead pixel I would have kept my first set.
Edited by eagle_2 - 5/23/13 at 9:41am
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Cnet's review of the Sony W802a makes me glad I didn't consider that set. It doesn't sound very good, and it's pretty expensive too.

"Sleek Sony LED LCD gives decent picture". Ouch - for that price it should offer more than "decent" picture. My F8000 was only $400 more than the Sony 47". A $600 Wal-mart tv or a Vizio from Costco can give a "decent" picture too. Sony's set should be a lot better than "decent".

They referred to the passive 3D as having better light output than active:

"As this TV is a passive model you do get a halving in resolution, and this manifests itself as interlacing through images, though it had no detrimental effect on movement. The upside is that you get a brighter image than you do on an active 3D TV. "

I can't wait to hear what they say about the 3D brightness on the F8000. There is just no way anybody could complain about the brightness on the F8000 in 3D mode. It's insanely bright. With the brightness on high in the 3D menu and I can't imagine passive being considered an improvement in that area after seeing the F8000. Best thing is I can get the 3D mode set up to look really good with the AVS/WOW discs, even with the 3D brightness setting on maximum.
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Sony 1717... Top notch review. Thanks for taking the time to give that very through over view. Sage advise about don't look for trouble , you usually wish you had not. My three broken noses attest to that. Again thanks and mega hours of great viewing.
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Here is my 65" F8000 with a Sonos Playbar both mounted on a wall. My wall is huge so the TV seems small, I might wait for the 75" and exchange it at Best Buy (they allow you to keep the TV as long as you are upgrading to a better one). Slight flashlighting issues and a little banding but everything is very subtle. I am using PLEX to stream all my 1080p MKV files, the only issue for me is the Cinema Black mode is disabled in PLEX so when watching a movie with black bars on top and bottom they don't fully turn off. Any idea how to fix that?


Edited by xfibre - 5/23/13 at 12:26pm
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Today, my decision to go plasma has been solidified. Remember, I love the LED, 3D look.

I just left BB and they finally had Samsung's 65F8000 LED. The TV I really wanted but was worried because of last year's major problem with banding.

I put in the Life of Pi so that I would watch the movie when Pi was in the ocean so that I could view the light background and blue seas.

Stepped in front of the set. Picture looked good. Took about 3-4 steps to the left and then, from the center position, to the right, BANDING. A lot of it.

From what I have read Samsung has fixed the edge bleeding, flash lighting, blooming, etc BUT it does not look like BANDING on the 65" panel.

That is why I said, "NO" on Sony's 65HX950, banding and now the 65F8000.
post #1229 of 6711
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Originally Posted by xfibre View Post

Here is my 65" F8000 with a Sonos Playbar both mounted on a wall. My wall is huge so the TV seems small, I might wait for the 75" and exchange it at Best Buy (they allow you to keep the TV as long as you are upgrading to a better one). Slight flashlighting issues and a little banding but everything is very subtle. I am using PLEX to stream all my 1080p MKV files, the only issue for me is the Cinema Black mode is disabled in PLEX so when watching a movie with black bars on top and bottom they don't fully turn off. Any idea how to fix that?

You have to email plex. That's what I did for amazon and vudu.
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Did they fix the cinema black issues with those two apps?
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