Originally Posted by eagle_2
Never use Digital Clean View NR with blu-rays - it will just strip away the detail and smooth everything over. It should really only be used on very poor sources that have lots of video noise. It can be used to remove grain from blu-rays, but why on Earth would anybody want to do that? Removing grain means removing film detail. The filter is quite effective, which means it can really hurt blu-rays when on. Leave it off for the best image quality when watching bluray. Also, those noise filters can do weird things at times like what you described there.
Actually, I leave it on low. Most reviewers leave it on standard because it says standard so they figure that's a good in-between setting. However, even standard can do some damage to the image - it introduces white clipping and probably black crush too. I've seen it clip whites many times on standard - it totally washes away detail in the brightest white areas of the image. On low it's much better, and still offers some improvement over leaving it off. Standard does look nice at times, but sadly there's nothing to prevent it from clipping, which it does. Also auto-dimming becomes more aggressive on standard and high.
SMART LED should be on low ideally, or standard at most. Cinema Black should be left on at all times.
Originally Posted by bekindrewind
I think it depends on the settings one chooses when tweaking their tv, if Digital Clean View helps.
I found it smooths out, get's rid of digital dots, noise with the settings I've chosen. I will be posting my settings soon. I set DCV to low.
Here are two examples of where DCV made a visual improvement.
Player is an Oppo BDP-103
Pleasantville dvd, beginning of chapter 11 is in black and white. Smoothed out the digital noise on the shingles on the roof and also the close up of Jen's face and the wallpaper.
The Dark Knight blu-ray, chapter 7 00:27:30, smoothed out the digital noise in the cement columns. Chapter 7 00:27:47 smoothed out the digital noise in the close up of Morgan Freedman's face.
Again, it may depend what other setting are used in the tv. Sometimes leaving some setting off helps, and turning on settings with the combination of other settings may help or make it worse.
Originally Posted by bekindrewind
Nicely said DRN94.
I appreciate when posters reference a scene in a move so that we can then reference it also.
Why anyone would turn off (Smart LED) the (Micro dimming ultimate and precision black) dimming is beyond me, of it's one of the most important features in the tv.
I too could not see much of a difference between Norma vs High settings. I did notice that Low will make everything a little darker and Normal makes things a little brighter and colors have more pop. I use Normal. I'm in Movie mode.
Hello eagle 2,"
Just wanted to point out that what one person thinks is suppose to be part of the movie may not be. You say about Digital Clean View, Never use Digital Clean View NR with blu-rays ...It can be used to remove grain from blu-rays, but why on Earth would anybody want to do that? Removing grain means removing film detail.
I gave examples of two movies, Pleasantville and The Dark Knight (blu ray), where DCV (Digital Clean View) is removing the digital artifacts, noise, it's not removing movie grain.
Smart Led setting, personal choice of how you want the picture to look. I'd not be so steadfast that low is the best setting, for it dims everything down including color brightness. (Lots of people who calibrate, Cnet, owners, choose normal as the best setting) People make a choice when using features. You want deeper blacks, too much black may crush shadow detail, contrast may suffer. You want more vibrant colors and brighter whites, black may suffer. Setting Smart led to low may provide deeper blacks but at the cost of brighter whites and brighter color. Or another way to look at it is, some people don't like the end product of a professionally calibrated tv. Some say it looks too blah, a lot of the pop is removed. I'm not talking torch mode, vivid pop either, that's over kill. Samsung and Sony's right out of the box movie mode provides pretty accurate color, black, contrast and pop. Selecting some setting may reduce that pop, like smart led on low.
You also said, Cinema Black should be left on at all times.
Jury is still out about leaving Cinema Black on at all times. I've read it should be off when not watching 2.35:1 content, otherwise the brightness of the image will fluctuate as the LEDs turn on and off, depending on how dark the top and bottom of the image is.
eagal_2 you're a regular poster here and I enjoy reading what you post and the knowledge you bring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates your input.
Cheers, behindrewindEdited by bekindrewind - 7/28/13 at 5:48am