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post #2341 of 6704
Hooray!! Game mode finally works now!
post #2342 of 6704
I noticed that Game Mode was working the other day, I know! Praise the TV gods! I am now 100% satisfied with getting the F8000! It is arguably the best LED TV money can possibly buy right now. This will totally keep me satisfied until OLED sets are affordable. But for now, this is as good as LED gets.
post #2343 of 6704
whats the input lag now # on game mode?
post #2344 of 6704
It's got to be less than 35ms. It seems VERY response now. It's practically neck and neck with PC Mode.

eagle_2's PC Mode test:

- PC Mode - 33 ms
- PC Mode - 2nd reading - 17 ms
- PC Mode - 3rd reading - 16 ms

I couldn't tell any real difference going from PC Mode to Game Mode so I'm guessing Game Mode is 35ms or less if not identical to PC Mode. HUGE improvement off of what it was before. It's pretty much as responsive as your average PC monitor. I was playing Counter Strike Global Offensive on the F8000 and it felt just as responsive as my 22ms 23" 120hz TN panel. Like I said, I'm VERY satisfied with the F8000 now. My one gripe has been fixed.
post #2345 of 6704
Those numbers sounds really Good for NextGen Gaming!!!
Im just waiting for a price cut on the 75" model
Hopefully there is one before the XBone and Ps4 are out smile.gif
post #2346 of 6704
FINALLY!!! The bad lag was the main thing holding me back from getting the F8000. Glad to see they fixed it. Just in time for the PS4.

Now I just have to decide if I want to pull the trigger on the F8000 or wait to see the G8000. I've heard the F8000 has some glitches with micro dimming and cinema black (2 VERY important features). Hopefully they can iron out the problems in an update. Otherwise I'll be waiting until February for the 2014 model.
post #2347 of 6704
I'm curious, what glitches with the Micro Dimming and Cinema Black?
post #2348 of 6704
Just Pulled the trigger on the UN60F8000 Got Amazon to match one of thier own had been watching and waiting and trying to haggle with others on pricing and poof went on sale today and one of the ones they had listed was advertising it for 2497 and they let me get the extra free DVD player and glasses as well. Probably just caught the price drop from the others taking off the 300 in free and applying it to the price. But whatever it was it pushed me off the fence..Getting ready to move the Toshiba upstairs for the boys to play the WII on and let Dad have a new toy.
post #2349 of 6704
Looks like they just dropped the price today. Anyone even considering getting the F8000 for the next gen of consoles, NOW is the time to get it!
post #2350 of 6704
OMG I want to bite how is the return policy with TVs from Amazon?
post #2351 of 6704
Do you still get the free soundbar if you buy from Pauls Tv?
Edited by Snoopy10 - 8/17/13 at 8:08pm
post #2352 of 6704
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Looks like they just dropped the price today. Anyone even considering getting the F8000 for the next gen of consoles, NOW is the time to get it!

I pulled the trigger on the 46". I was not expecting price cuts from authorized Internet resellers. I know the 46" is not a popular size, so I figured it was now or never. It will replace a LN32B650, which has proved me with an outstanding (calibrated) picture. This is a secondary TV, my media room has a 60" 151FD Elite plasma. I'm picky about my displays, I hope this F8000 delivers for me!
post #2353 of 6704
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

I pulled the trigger on the 46". I was not expecting price cuts from authorized Internet resellers. I know the 46" is not a popular size, so I figured it was now or never. It will replace a LN32B650, which has proved me with an outstanding (calibrated) picture. This is a secondary TV, my media room has a 60" 151FD Elite plasma. I'm picky about my displays, I hope this F8000 delivers for me!


Did you get the free gift?
post #2354 of 6704
Is the micro precision pro dimming a hardware feature, much like that from 2 years ago featured on the D8000?
post #2355 of 6704
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Originally Posted by Snoopy10 View Post

Did you get the free gift?

I don't think so. I ordered from Amazon. If the gift is a sound bar, they can keep it biggrin.gif
post #2356 of 6704
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

I'm curious, what glitches with the Micro Dimming and Cinema Black?

There were reports of white boxes with cenima black and inconsistencies ith micro dimming. The issues only occurred when the settings were on medium or high. I'm not sure if these issues have been fixed.

If they have been fixed, I just have to choose if I want the 55" or 60". For those of you that have had both, does the extra 5" of the 60" make enough difference to be worth the extra money? I've seen them both side by side at Best Buy (though the 55" was an F7500) but the size of a TV can look much bigger in a home environment.

Also, is there any uniformity problems with the 60" vs the 55"? I think I remember hearing that the 46" and 55" are made at a different factory than the 60" and larger.
Edited by eclipsegt - 8/17/13 at 10:13pm
post #2357 of 6704
Congrats! Yeah, Samsung lowered the price on several of their models (F8000 dropped $300). Supposedly, this "sale" will only be going on for a few days (local Samsung dealer showed me the pricing sheet from Samsung).
post #2358 of 6704
Changed my cable box to native and the stuttering went from about 15% of the time to about 1% if that at all, and I'd say it's pretty much non existent but I do sometimes feel it would stutter but it's so minimal I feel I might have just made it up, lol ...I was reading that a 720p signal would get broken down and converted to 1080i in the cable box if set to 1080i instead of native and the TV would break that signal down and change it to 1080p, I guess making an extra step in the converted signal each time possibly creating artifacts and the TV perhaps was having a hard time dejuddering with so much artifacts, watching 720p and 1080i content and I see no stuttering at all, I could of gotten the details on that process wrong but the TV looks way smoother and better either way, I'm assuming this has been brought up before but just thought I'd bring it up again as this seems to be a fix for me, I have Time Warner in Los Angeles with a Motorola dcx3400 ...I use custom setting with deblur at 10 and dejudder at 4 with clear motion on and smart LED at standard ...anyway, so far so good been watching it for several hours and its smooth no stuttering maybe just right after switching channels and the TV changes from different resolutions only issue with native is the delay in doing that and the turn stb hts menu pops up, wish that could be turned off or had a longer delay. I never had issues with blu-ray stuttering I had the same settings on the set and it was the best content to watch, I love it.

I paid $2200 for my UN55F8000 a month ago, the Best Buy manager knew of the price drop and let me get the deal on it way early.

Edited by CeazeTM - 8/17/13 at 11:58pm
post #2359 of 6704
I haven't noticed any issues with the Cinema Black. It works very well with movies and cut scenes in video games. I did notice that an all black screen will sometimes "trick" the bars into brightening back up but that may be so you don't see the gradual drop off in the black level. I've only noticed that at night in a dark room.

When at a typical viewing distance, head on, the black level is GREAT. The Smart LED only dims a little for most scenes, it mainly brightens the picture more than anything, which is really good for scenes with the sun in the background, it makes the scene look very life like. I haven't noticed any odd dimming behaviors. The one thing I had to get used to is when the TV dims very low in dark scenes which will sometimes kill the brightness of light sources like torches and candles if they are small and have enough black around them. This can happen on all 3 Smart LED settings to a similar effect. Perhaps Samsung were trying to reduce halo effects but the geometry of the bright light source has to be about a quarter or so in size before the TV will illuminate the screen in that section. Perhaps future updates can make the algorithms more sensitive to bright geometries, but for now it's perfectly tolerable since it rarely happens in movies. The only time this becomes really apparent is during credit sequences.

I'd suggest watching a few opening and closing credit sequences of a white text and a black background and just fiddling with the Smart LED setting until you find your happy medium. I personally have the Smart LED on HIGH. I dig the incredibly deep black levels and the soft on the eyes contrast of white text.

Overall, I wouldn't even worry about the "glitches" people have talked about, I'm very picky and haven't noticed anything odd. I totally understand it's edge-lit and I don't at all expect perfect precise dimming like on full array sets. The native black level is impressive as it is, particularly during the daytime. I wouldn't worry about it. This TV kicks some serious ass.

Someone had posted 2 65" sets that had some vertical banding when looking off angle. I have the 55" and my screen uniformity is near perfect from any angle (very minor 1 cm long flash light in the corner, not visible during daytime viewing, you have to look for it during the night to see it). I did notice small light bleed spots around the top left and bottom right when looking extremely off angle onto a black screen but from dead on or just normal viewing, you can't see it at all.

If you have any concerns about uniformity, I'd highly recommend getting the TV from a local retailer who has multiple units in stock just in case you need to do an in-store exchange. Nothing sucks more than waiting several days for a replacement fearing it'll be defective too and that it wasted several days on your return period. That'd be my advice. And to think about whether stepping the size up is worth it or not, I'd look at some in-store models of the two sizes and also consulting a few "view distance calculators" which will tell you the optimum size for your viewing room.

With the price drop yesterday, now is the time to buy unless you want to wait another couple months for the next price drop. I bought mine at the beginning of the previous price drop and have been enjoying the set ever since. Judging on how much the firmware updates have improved the TV, it's only going to get even better from now on. I very happy so say that I will be enjoying this set for years to come until OLED is main stream. This will totally keep me satisfied until then. The picture is that great.

If you want to wait for the next gen, keep in mind that the starting price for the 60" will be like $3,500+ and $3,000+ for the 55". Your best bet is to just get the F8000. It'll save you a hell of a lot of money and you're getting a very high quality set that's fairly future proof. I would also say that the 2013 or 2014 models should be the last LED set you ever buy because OLED is just around the corner by the time your 2013 or 2014 model is ready for an upgrade to OLED. I plan on keeping my F8000 until OLED is matured and inexpensive (less than $3,000 for the flagship). I'm going to try to ignore all the latest new TV's to keep away my needless upgrading urges until then.
post #2360 of 6704
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Originally Posted by eclipsegt View Post

For those of you that have had both, does the extra 5" of the 60" make enough difference to be worth the extra money? I've seen them both side by side at Best Buy (though the 55" was an F7500) but the size of a TV can look much bigger in a home environment.

Also, is there any uniformity problems with the 60" vs the 55"?

I have had both and I did feel like there were more ever so slight issues with the 60" vs 55"(banding, lighting more apparent when back light at a high lever such as 16-17) I am completely happy with the set as I was with the 55". Switching up was WELL worth it. I sit 14 feet away and should have got the 65" but was worried about banding issues(i had the same worries about the 60" but it the faults are hard to spot).
post #2361 of 6704
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Originally Posted by Snoopy10 View Post

OMG I want to bite how is the return policy with TVs from Amazon?
Great. 30 days. They swapped my defective f8000 for a new one with no questions or hassle.
post #2362 of 6704
Thanks for the responses guys. It looks like I'll be spending my winter playing Watch Dogs (PS4 version) on a 60" F8000.
post #2363 of 6704
Hello, guys

I decided to go into bestbuy to get the TV. I'm still on the fence between 60-65. Is it safe to say that I may encounter more issues with the 65



I have a samsung LN52A650 right now.
post #2364 of 6704
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

I noticed that Game Mode was working the other day, I know! Praise the TV gods! I am now 100% satisfied with getting the F8000! It is arguably the best LED TV money can possibly buy right now. This will totally keep me satisfied until OLED sets are affordable. But for now, this is as good as LED gets.

So the latest software update fixed the game lag issue?
post #2365 of 6704
As far as I and others have been able to tell. I played Counter Strike Global Offensive on the F8000 in Game Mode. The precise gameplay of CS:GO is very sensitive to input lag. I was going from PC Mode to Game Mode and couldn't tell any difference. I also duplicated the game across my 22ms 120hz TN panel and the F8000 and going between the two warranted virtually the same experience. So the input lag is down to 35ms or less now in Game Mode. Game Mode used to feel like regular mode but that is definitely not the case now. We have yet for someone with the necessary equipment to do another proper input lag test, but just from my eyes and others' eyes, the input lag in Game Mode is fixed and is practically neck and neck with PC Mode now. Eagle_2 did an input lag test previously and found that PC Mode varied from 13ms to 33ms. I'd say Game Mode is in that ball park now but produces much better picture quality (PC Mode disables local dimming and other picture processing).

I still maintain, if you're playing a single player game that doesn't require precise timing in the gameplay, playing with the CMR settings maxed out gives you an epic experience. I was playing Metro Last Light maxed out on my GTX 670 on the F8000 with CMR on and the experience was surreal. Having all 2.07 million pixels giving a crystal clear image all the time, even when in motion, really amplifies the clarity 1080p is actually capable of.
post #2366 of 6704
UN46F8000BF ... now $1,699.99... Very cool new price! smile.gif
post #2367 of 6704
Hi RW ,

I just heard , I`m going to cry now , I`ll post again when my eyes dry out !! > LOL > O__the pain !! rolleyes.gif


Later biggrin.gif

Gary 
post #2368 of 6704
Someone definitely needs to do some hard input lag tests with the latest update. I really hope they improved it. That would save me from buying a second television for gaming.
post #2369 of 6704
does anyone have any descent game mode settings to share?
post #2370 of 6704
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Originally Posted by GR1MM View Post

does anyone have any descent game mode settings to share?
+1
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