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post #3211 of 6704
Hey everyone,

I posted a question like this a while ago here and there but didn't got a really satisfying answer. So hoping for some new insights i'd thought i give it a try again.

The thing is, I am really happy with my 46F8000, awesome television. When it comes to clouding and bleeding i really love the way the tv handles the backlight while watching normal 2d content. I do not see a single white spot anywhere on the screen, not even in a really dark environment.

But…..

When i switch to 3D mode (I watch 3D, half SBS movies thru PLEX), clouding kicks in (or bleeding, don't really know the difference). Each corner of the screen has this white spot which i find really annoying.

Ok I know that the 3D mode maximizes the backlight strength which everyone is about to say, is the source of the bleeding/clouding. Why this answer doesn't satisfy me:
1. Lowering contrast backlight, does not remove the clouding
2. Leaving 3D mode, keeps the clouding, it only disappears after a TV restart.

The above makes me think that some backlight controlling functions will be turned off by activating 3D and won't be turned on again by leaving 3D mode.

Do other people experience this problem? And why make the 'cinema black' function unavailable while watching 3D content?

I really hope some people can help me with this, or give me some advise in the settings to reduce the clouding to a minimal and keep a decent picture quality.

Thnx in advance!

Mark
post #3212 of 6704
So I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a un60f8000 but...

1. Should I wait to buy a 4k tv or is that at least 1-2 years away before 4k content is available? And

2. Is the input lag acceptable now for gaming? Does anyone have a recent measurement of the lag in game mode with recent software update?

Thx .
post #3213 of 6704
TV as in regular tv programing will be awhile.

4K content such as BlueRay and Games are coming next month.

PS4 and X-Box1 will be 4K and 4K Blue-ray players from Sony will also be out soon.

How bad to you need 4K ?

If you go 4K , you will be tempted to re-buy your dvd collection and a new game system.

If you want it and coin is not an issue , then let us know how you like it !!

Later biggrin.gif

G. 


PS:

I have a PS3 and plan on keeping it !!

I have been an early adopter far to often , I am sitting this one out ! wink.gif
post #3214 of 6704
O__ , I am thinking about and Oppo Darbee 103 , so maybe I am still an early adopter.

I have not bought a new dvd player since 2006 when I picked up my DV79AVi.

The only reason I would go with the 103D would be for visual preservation of my SD - DVD library !

And of course a few 3D dvd`s biggrin.gif

I luv the old stuff , my amp is the DSP-A1G ,they just don`t build stuff right these days eek.gif
post #3215 of 6704

Regarding the UN46F8000:

 

The specs (http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN46F8000BFXZA-specs) state that it is ultra slim wall mount compatible.  The ultra slim wall mount's page (http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/WMN3000BX/ZA) does not list this TV as a compatible product.  Have I missed something or has Samsung's site really gotten it wrong?  Thanks!

post #3216 of 6704
4K gaming is not going to be a thing next-generation, jedi29. Sony has even specifically ruled it out. Even on the PC 4K gaming is hilariously impractical. You need four Nvidia Titans in quad SLI in order to get a stable framerate with Metro, for example. And the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are mid-range at best. Hell, a number of their games aren't even running at 1080p.

4K isn't going to go away, but high adoption, abundant content and especially video game applications are a long way off. There are several paragraphs of more reasons why, but suffice it to say it's not worth it right now.
post #3217 of 6704
Please, I need some help. I bought the 65f8000 and for two days it looked amazing on movie mode, then all of a sudden the picture looks washed out and dim, I have checked all the settings, all the settings are where the need to be, reset the picture, rebooted the cable box, made sure all the hdmi cables were properly ported, I have Verizon fios. When I put it on standard mode it looks much better. I'm bugging out .
post #3218 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjclecky View Post

Please, I need some help. I bought the 65f8000 and for two days it looked amazing on movie mode, then all of a sudden the picture looks washed out and dim, I have checked all the settings, all the settings are where the need to be, reset the picture, rebooted the cable box, made sure all the hdmi cables were properly ported, I have Verizon fios. When I put it on standard mode it looks much better. I'm bugging out .

Check the setting that monitors the light in the room. Turn that setting off.
post #3219 of 6704
I have an older HK receiver that only has 2 hdmi inputs and is 1.1 compliant. So I was going to hook up my components directly to the un60f8000 via hdmi and then run audio out to the HK receiver.

Is this possible to do with digital 5.1 sound since the f8000 has 5.1 decoder?
post #3220 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Check the setting that monitors the light in the room. Turn that setting off.
hi, I have all the settings to off, still no good.
post #3221 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulgolgiman View Post

I have an older HK receiver that only has 2 hdmi inputs and is 1.1 compliant. So I was going to hook up my components directly to the un60f8000 via hdmi and then run audio out to the HK receiver.

Is this possible to do with digital 5.1 sound since the f8000 has 5.1 decoder?

That should work fine. Just check all your menu settings carefully. I have always done my audio and video separately.
post #3222 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjclecky View Post

hi, I have all the settings to off, still no good.


There are setting under different headings though out the set.
It would be helpful it you told us which settings you have off. And under what heading.
post #3223 of 6704
Hi AGuy01 ,

Thanks for the correction ! , I thought for sure that the PS4 at least would be a 4K machine.

Anyway , I am in deep S$1T , I think my HDMI logic board on my F8000 is toast , I get video , but no audio with my CB / PS3 , my Mac Mini will not be displayed at all , and my DV79avi never had audio anyway.

I pulled up the service menu for my cable box and it states no compatible monitor is connected , audio codec 0 . HDCP is still showing ok .

I have not done a full reset , yet , I really don`t want too. I know I might have to .

I did the [ Mute - 1-8-2 ] power on and there is a factory hard reset that will bring it back to out of box state.

I have called Samsung 3 times and am now waiting for a return call , I have been waiting for return calls before , calls that have never come.

I am just about at the end of my ropes with this thing , my last course of action will be to download the service manual for 12 bucks and see it it has any useful info.

It was working fine until a brief power outage , when power came back on my circuit protection held , back maybe not good enough , as that is when my troubles stated.

After the cable box rebooted , I could get no audio and thought that strange that is when I opened up the service menu on the box and saw what I stated.

I don`t need this , I have been chasing this thing since the 1st of May !

I think it might be time for a Sony XBR 900 .

Any suggestions , well , thanks !

Later ,

Gary 

PS:
I did the cable dance , and no luck.
post #3224 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

TV as in regular tv programing will be awhile.

4K content such as BlueRay and Games are coming next month.

PS4 and X-Box1 will be 4K and 4K Blue-ray players from Sony will also be out soon.

How bad to you need 4K ?

If you go 4K , you will be tempted to re-buy your dvd collection and a new game system.

If you want it and coin is not an issue , then let us know how you like it !!

Later biggrin.gif

G. 


PS:

I have a PS3 and plan on keeping it !!

I have been an early adopter far to often , I am sitting this one out ! wink.gif

As of now, ps4 and xbox one will not have 4k games...

xbox one games some of them as of now won't even output at 1080p.

In the future I believe I read they are both capable of 4k, Even if they were to output at 4k, it would diminish gaming performance by a large margin I'd imagine.
post #3225 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by markusyamaha View Post

Hey everyone,

I posted a question like this a while ago here and there but didn't got a really satisfying answer. So hoping for some new insights i'd thought i give it a try again.

The thing is, I am really happy with my 46F8000, awesome television. When it comes to clouding and bleeding i really love the way the tv handles the backlight while watching normal 2d content. I do not see a single white spot anywhere on the screen, not even in a really dark environment.

But…..

When i switch to 3D mode (I watch 3D, half SBS movies thru PLEX), clouding kicks in (or bleeding, don't really know the difference). Each corner of the screen has this white spot which i find really annoying.

Ok I know that the 3D mode maximizes the backlight strength which everyone is about to say, is the source of the bleeding/clouding. Why this answer doesn't satisfy me:
1. Lowering contrast backlight, does not remove the clouding
2. Leaving 3D mode, keeps the clouding, it only disappears after a TV restart.

The above makes me think that some backlight controlling functions will be turned off by activating 3D and won't be turned on again by leaving 3D mode.

Do other people experience this problem? And why make the 'cinema black' function unavailable while watching 3D content?

I really hope some people can help me with this, or give me some advise in the settings to reduce the clouding to a minimal and keep a decent picture quality.

Thnx in advance!

Mark

Mark,

 

If what you say is true, that the only time you see problems is when you have activated the 3D function, then I would advise you to have a service call performed. The 3D function on these tv's are processed  through the motherboard not the panel. You can have a near perfect panel but if the 3D is bad it will make your tv look horrible.  I had a similar issue where my 3D left/right wasn't in sync as it should be and it was a bad Motherboard & bluetooth RF module(about the size of a quarter). So I presume you're still in your warranty, I would have a service ticket started & get it looked at. I learned a tough life lesson with last years 65ES8000 model and didn't buy an extended warranty and after 7 months and 4 panels later I finally decided to call it quits, samsung agreed to a full refund so I went straight to best buy, bought the new 65F8000 AND a 5 year protection plan. I now sleep at night.


Edited by IamGman75 - 10/24/13 at 7:28am
post #3226 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi29 View Post

O__ , I am thinking about and Oppo Darbee 103 , so maybe I am still an early adopter.

I have not bought a new dvd player since 2006 when I picked up my DV79AVi.

The only reason I would go with the 103D would be for visual preservation of my SD - DVD library !

And of course a few 3D dvd`s biggrin.gif

I luv the old stuff , my amp is the DSP-A1G ,they just don`t build stuff right these days eek.gif

Ha, I just got the Oppo 103D yesterday. I am loving it so far, but not sure that I am going to use the Darbee function with older DVD's. Really happy with it and it looks great on my UN65F8000 so far. Quickly ran a calibration using Video Essentials and I just had to reduce the color level a little. I have over 1K DVD's and blurays, the bulk of which are SD-DVD's and the Oppo up conversion is great. Watched the Supercharger edition of Dirty Mary Crazy Larry last night and the only thing I ran into was that particular DVD did not like the 1080 24p setting. The video was jerky as hell, was fine after turning off the 1080 24p conversion. My Hellboy DVD was fine with it. Something must have been wrong with the authoring for the Dirty Mary Crazy Larry DVD.

The only complaint I have is that I wish it would auto detect DVD 24p content. Also it remembers your last Darbee setting, which they recommend using the HD setting for HD content and Full Pop setting for SD-DVD. If you finished watching a Blu using the Darbee HD setting and put a SD-DVD in, you have to manually switch the setting to Full Pop. That is not a bother for me, but I have a wife and two daughters that just put a disk in and wouldn't even fix an aspect ratio if they needed to. I am OCD so I just wish it would auto detect. The Darbee setting do remember the last value you used, like 45% for example.

Just realized you are having trouble with your tv. Hope you get things sorted out.
post #3227 of 6704
Ok, now I'm hitting a little bit of a money issue. I had enough to upgrade to a 60f8000 and a new receiver. But now, I'm a few hundred short. I currently have a Sony 50in lcd. Old. Like back when 1080p first came out. If I lower my standards to getting a 55f8000, besides the picture looking great (Heck, anything would look great next to the Sony.) Do you think the size increase is going to make it look like nothing has changed? I don't know if I can get another $300-400 to make up the difference before Samsung really discontinues these models and I can't buy it anymore.
Also, anything wrong with the 55 or 60in? I heard in other posts, that going to the 65+ you get banding issues, but going smaller... any issues? Do I loose features?
post #3228 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by starstreak View Post

Ok, now I'm hitting a little bit of a money issue. I had enough to upgrade to a 60f8000 and a new receiver. But now, I'm a few hundred short. Do you think the size increase is going to make it look like nothing has changed? I don't know if I can get another $300-400 to make up the difference before Samsung really discontinues these models and I can't buy it anymore.
Also, anything wrong with the 55 or 60in? I heard in other posts, that going to the 65+ you get banding issues, but going smaller... any issues? Do I loose features?

Perhaps you could purchase through one of the discount vendors, biggboxsuperstore.com, Abes of Maine alltimetvs or other. That puts that several hundred dollars in your pocket and gets you on budget compared to major brick and mortar store. But most have trepidation about going that route. Some bad experiences and some just annoying, and some good. Buyer beware, a number of threads on the topic.

I am in a similar decision process.
post #3229 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmode11 View Post

Ha, I just got the Oppo 103D yesterday. I am loving it so far, but not sure that I am going to use the Darbee function with older DVD's. Really happy with it and it looks great on my UN65F8000 so far. Quickly ran a calibration using Video Essentials and I just had to reduce the color level a little. I have over 1K DVD's and blurays, the bulk of which are SD-DVD's and the Oppo up conversion is great. Watched the Supercharger edition of Dirty Mary Crazy Larry last night and the only thing I ran into was that particular DVD did not like the 1080 24p setting. The video was jerky as hell, was fine after turning off the 1080 24p conversion. My Hellboy DVD was fine with it. Something must have been wrong with the authoring for the Dirty Mary Crazy Larry DVD.

The only complaint I have is that I wish it would auto detect DVD 24p content. Also it remembers your last Darbee setting, which they recommend using the HD setting for HD content and Full Pop setting for SD-DVD. If you finished watching a Blu using the Darbee HD setting and put a SD-DVD in, you have to manually switch the setting to Full Pop. That is not a bother for me, but I have a wife and two daughters that just put a disk in and wouldn't even fix an aspect ratio if they needed to. I am OCD so I just wish it would auto detect. The Darbee setting do remember the last value you used, like 45% for example.

Just realized you are having trouble with your tv. Hope you get things sorted out.

Hi "dmode11" ,

Thanks for the info in reference to the 103D , so far the only dvd`s I have are SD , so the up-conversion is a-ok ? , thanks !

I have the Pioneer DV79-AVi , and some dvd`s I have trouble with too , like you mentioned authoring and stuff , but for the most part is is a-ok. I just can`t get any sound to my F8000 , never have.
Samsung has a tech coming out on Tuesday 29th to replace the Main-Board , so maybe I will get sound , I doubt it but it could be that that board was defective from the start.

If I do get sound , I will most likely run the `79 till it quits , if I want a few 3D movies I always have my PS3.

Getting back to the F8000 , I have never been happy with it , had all kinds of issues with it , and I am not very happy with Samsung`s support or knowledge of the tv. Even there tier 2 support is lacking the necessary knowledge to trouble shoot most problems.

We all know about the "Mute +1+8+2" to get to the service menu , most people would really mess up a tv going there , but I am not most !

I hate to buy a service manual if the main board is blown anyway , but the point being is that many adjustments and tweaking can be done there , and I feel that Samsung should help , but of course they won't.

I did speak with a Samsung engineer and ask if I could disable the DVI codec in the service menu , and he told me I would need to go straight into the Op-Sys and change the command string.

Well , that won`t work because I don`t know the Linux Op.Sys. and the F8000 is Linux based, he said it could be done , but it would not be cost effective.

I would have to hire a tech to bring a laptop and plug it into an HDMI in put and start rewriting the op-sys and disable the command string.
I can see how it would be a pain , and I can also see it being complete unnecessary , DVI is ages past , why did Samsung even write in a DVI string !!

My `79 is not playing well with the F8000 because it is seeing a DVI connection first and the it recognizes the HDMI connection , but by then it is too late , thus , not audio from the `79.

O__well ,

I might have to scrap it , if so well thats it , what can I do ?

My life is measured buy good HT gear , and the F8000 has never really made the cut , maybe , just maybe after the Main Board is replaced all will be good.

Any chance to save some coin is a good thing , but I need a proper tv too.

Logic has me headed for the Sony 47" 802 , If that does not workout , then next in line would be the XBR 900 55" , 4K for 4K , that sucks , but I like tv !!

OK , take care ,

Gary 

PS:

The story of my life !! biggrin.gif
post #3230 of 6704
Thanks but I can't go that route as I have about $800 in gift cards tied into Best Buy so I have to buy it from there. And while they have a price matching policy, they can only price match with Samsung approved stores. Which if you ask me sounds a bit bogus as all the stores they mention has the tv for the same price.
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Originally Posted by khunter View Post

Perhaps you could purchase through one of the discount vendors, biggboxsuperstore.com, Abes of Maine alltimetvs or other. That puts that several hundred dollars in your pocket and gets you on budget compared to major brick and mortar store. But most have trepidation about going that route. Some bad experiences and some just annoying, and some good. Buyer beware, a number of threads on the topic.

I am in a similar decision process.
post #3231 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by starstreak View Post

Thanks but I can't go that route as I have about $800 in gift cards tied into Best Buy so I have to buy it from there. And while they have a price matching policy, they can only price match with Samsung approved stores. Which if you ask me sounds a bit bogus as all the stores they mention has the tv for the same price.

Multiple users here have got them to price match Stores NOT on their list. I did, I just borrowed my buddies silver rewards membership told them I wanted that TV and showed them a printed copy of where I could get it way cheaper. I pointed out the vast amount of business I have given them in the past and if they want it to continue they will price match said store(this will be ultimately up to the manager who is currently working).
post #3232 of 6704
Hi guys,

I just purchased a brand new 46F8000 tv.
The issue is that every time I connect it to my network, cable or wireless, the tv restarts every minute. As soon as I turn the network off, it's all good again. Any ideas???
post #3233 of 6704
I know. I tried. The Abe's of Maine was sweet deal. But here in Hawaii, both stores refused to price match anything but on the approved list. Both said it was Samsungs price lock or something. They tried to push it to Samsungs fault. You would think as a silver elite member they would bend but I guess it was the big price difference.
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Originally Posted by adgrimes View Post

Multiple users here have got them to price match Stores NOT on their list. I did, I just borrowed my buddies silver rewards membership told them I wanted that TV and showed them a printed copy of where I could get it way cheaper. I pointed out the vast amount of business I have given them in the past and if they want it to continue they will price match said store(this will be ultimately up to the manager who is currently working).
post #3234 of 6704
Hi guys,

I am in the UK.
I have just purchased a 46F8000 and wish to use an external hard drive for recording etc
What is the biggest size the TV will allow?
Is a 2.5" or 3.5" hard drive in a case best???
Anything I should look out for getting the stuff?? Speeds etc?
post #3235 of 6704
I'm being driven crazy by automatic contrast which is noticeable in iTunes: I use my UN60F8000 as a HTPC with a Mac mini. Normally I use Apple TV for iTunes contrast but from time to time use the Mac mini directly. I'm watching my DVD rip of The Killing which is very dark. The TV renders the blacks so black I lose any real contrast: in a night scene about half the image is effectively indistinguishable. But, the moment I move the mouse and the on-screen controls appear - and these take up perhaps 2% of the screen - the whole contrast readjusts and the image is as expected (and pretty good). I have gone through all the settings and nothing obvious comes to mind. I've checked with the same content on the Apple TV and the same thing happens, though the variance is much less - the image isn't as dark to start with, and when the on-screen control appears it doesn't brighten the image nearly as much (indeed, I hadn't previously noticed) but it is there. How do I stop this? Thanks!
post #3236 of 6704
Can anyone recommend a good, 'comfortable' pair of 3D glasses that can replace the crappy, uncomfortable 3D glasses that came with the f8000?
post #3237 of 6704
I've had zero luck getting best buy to price match. I've tried at least 20 stores with no luck
post #3238 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by GR1MM View Post

Can anyone recommend a good, 'comfortable' pair of 3D glasses that can replace the crappy, uncomfortable 3D glasses that came with the f8000?

I have the F7100 and use the SSG-3570CR 3D Rechargeable Active Glasses :

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-SSG-3570CR-Rechargeable-Glasses/dp/B00BMMPPCS/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1382838436&sr=8-8&keywords=samsung+3d+glasses
post #3239 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulgolgiman View Post

I've had zero luck getting best buy to price match. I've tried at least 20 stores with no luck

We're the vendors you were trying to get them to match on their "list"? Best Buy did one price match for me, and then another credit when the set dropped in price during one of their sales about a month after I purchased it.
post #3240 of 6704
Quote:
Originally Posted by markusyamaha View Post

Hey everyone,

I posted a question like this a while ago here and there but didn't got a really satisfying answer. So hoping for some new insights i'd thought i give it a try again.

The thing is, I am really happy with my 46F8000, awesome television. When it comes to clouding and bleeding i really love the way the tv handles the backlight while watching normal 2d content. I do not see a single white spot anywhere on the screen, not even in a really dark environment.

But…..

When i switch to 3D mode (I watch 3D, half SBS movies thru PLEX), clouding kicks in (or bleeding, don't really know the difference). Each corner of the screen has this white spot which i find really annoying.

Ok I know that the 3D mode maximizes the backlight strength which everyone is about to say, is the source of the bleeding/clouding. Why this answer doesn't satisfy me:
1. Lowering contrast backlight, does not remove the clouding
2. Leaving 3D mode, keeps the clouding, it only disappears after a TV restart.

The above makes me think that some backlight controlling functions will be turned off by activating 3D and won't be turned on again by leaving 3D mode.


Do other people experience this problem? And why make the 'cinema black' function unavailable while watching 3D content?

I really hope some people can help me with this, or give me some advise in the settings to reduce the clouding to a minimal and keep a decent picture quality.

Thnx in advance!

Mark

Hmmm....sounds like some type of backlighting has indeed been turned off....have you tried using the calibrated settings for 3D recommened by cnet?

I just bought this tv and am waiting for delivery so im eager to see its performance at home.

*update*

i just checked cnet and didnt find any custom settings. Sorry man. Try fooliing around with the backlight controls while in 3D and get back to me. I will probably have to tinker with this when i get it too
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