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post #3781 of 6770

My wife also made the comment to me about the picture looking amazing she did not know that I updated to fw1116 so that tells me that Samsung made some improvements with this update.

post #3782 of 6770
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Originally Posted by Ohiojosh78 View Post

1116 and hell yes I got the receiver for $300, thanks to this site
Is the deal still available?
post #3783 of 6770
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Originally Posted by jkozlow3 View Post

Yep, at least 10,000x better! smile.gif

Just kidding, but it's pretty common for forum members to claim to see a PQ improvement after each firmware update (not just for this display but for other models of TVs I've owned in the past as well). Looks about the same pre/post update to me. Not to say there weren't some improvements, but I'd need a side-by-side comparison to know for sure. Samsung isn't exactly very detailed when describing the "improvements" that were made with each FW update, so it's anyone's guess.

I cant tell any display difference going from 1110 to 1116. I'm still waiting for ARC audio dropouts (short brownouts when pushing audio through ARC to my Pioneer receiver) to be fixed though. Does anyone else have this?cool.gif
post #3784 of 6770

Thanks a lot for that. I just picked up an open box 55" (as it was $1,400) and it only came with the smart remote.  The remote they gave me was actually for the UN46F7100 series TV, not the F8000.  Does anyone know if there any difference in the remotes apart from one being black and the other silverish?  Nevermind, was going by there anyways so I went in and they swapped it.

 

Does anyone know how I can see how many hours the TV has been on?  Is it in the service menu or somewhere else?


Edited by DeeJaa - 12/27/13 at 1:46pm
post #3785 of 6770
Not sure. On Sony's website it was the last item on the "specials" page
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I've read a number of the posts in this forum, but am all spun around now and am hoping some experts can help me based on my "pieces"...and I can never seem to remember the pages or search terms needed to get me back to the appropriate post.

I have a UN65F8000, DIRECTV HR44-700, Samsung BD-F5900 blu-ray, and Denon AVR-1713 receiver.

I currently have the blu-ray and DIRECTV connected to the receiver at the applicable inputs and the output running to the television; connected to HDMI1. I also have an ethernet router local to allow for direct connection to all components.

1) can the television smart remote control all devices now that the receiver controls the inputs? I haven't tried the IR blaster on the receiver yet due to it being a chore to get everything hooked up and in position.
1a) I had it working with the DIRECTV, but now it seems to have lost it...I assume due to adding the receiver this weekend? I think I prefer the DIRECTV interface through their remote better due to the Samsung defaulting to channel 2 and not the channel I'm currently watching, unless there is a setting for this.
2) do I need to run a separate ethernet cable to the television or can it use the ethernet channel on the HDMI cable if the receiver is connected to the internet? I don't think it can, but just checking before I add the cable.
3) do I need a separate optical cable to get 5.1 sound if using netflix or other apps through the SmartHub? If I switch to the ARC input I've noticed some posts here that you lose some functionality. I'd prefer to use the apps on the tv instead of through the blu-ray. No way to test this at the moment due to not having the speakers, but want to be prepped.

Thanks in advance.
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Can anyone explain to me the differences between the panel versions on the F8000? I have the TS01 version which was the first panel for the F8000. Are the latter panel versions better than the TS01?
post #3788 of 6770
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Can anyone explain to me the differences between the panel versions on the F8000? I have the TS01 version which was the first panel for the F8000. Are the latter panel versions better than the TS01?


you have a Samsung panel
be happy
post #3789 of 6770
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

you have a Samsung panel
be happy

I just wanted to know if a latter version produced a better black level. I'm becoming very picky lately. So much so I may upgrade to this next year's flagship if there is a noticeable improvement.
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I have to ask everyone here about whether they've seen an F8500 plasma and an F8000 LED next to each other to compare the two? I'm looking to upgrade m current TV to a 65". I have seen the F8000 in person and to my eyes with all the bells and whistles turned on it produces a VERY nice picture. I just notice the blur during fast action scenes in a movie that I do not see on my current Panasonic plasma. Black levels seem to be very close to my current TV but the picture pops off the screen due to the increased light levels I assume. I'm in a dark basement so for me it comes down to picture quality more than needing a super bright display. I can honestly say that the F8000 LED blows away my Panasonic plasma which is about 8 years old now. My current set is a Panasonic TH-50PE700U. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated as I only have the F8000 to look at in person in my town. Can't drive for 500 miles to get into a store that has an F8500.

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Originally Posted by Ignitros View Post

I have to ask everyone here about whether they've seen an F8500 plasma and an F8000 LED next to each other to compare the two? I'm looking to upgrade m current TV to a 65". I have seen the F8000 in person and to my eyes with all the bells and whistles turned on it produces a VERY nice picture. I just notice the blur during fast action scenes in a movie that I do not see on my current Panasonic plasma. Black levels seem to be very close to my current TV but the picture pops off the screen due to the increased light levels I assume. I'm in a dark basement so for me it comes down to picture quality more than needing a super bright display. I can honestly say that the F8000 LED blows away my Panasonic plasma which is about 8 years old now. My current set is a Panasonic TH-50PE700U. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated as I only have the F8000 to look at in person in my town. Can't drive for 500 miles to get into a store that has an F8500.

Since you are in a basement and are all about PQ quality what about the top end Panasonic plasma? Or see what comes out this year at CES.
post #3792 of 6770
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Can anyone explain to me the differences between the panel versions on the F8000? I have the TS01 version which was the first panel for the F8000. Are the latter panel versions better than the TS01?


How can one tell which panel you have?

post #3793 of 6770
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How can one tell which panel you have?

there should be a silver sticker on the back of the unit on the lower right side (when viewing from the back)
post #3794 of 6770

thanks, its the ts01- in two sentences, can you explain the talk of different panels and should there be concern with the one I have? thanks

post #3795 of 6770
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I have mine mounted using the Samsung mounts. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/WMN350M/ZA


how do you like that mount by the way? I bought an articulating mount and am waiting for somebody to install it but that looks easy and it 50$ cheaper

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I have mine mounted using the Samsung mounts. http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-accessories/WMN350M/ZA


how do you like that mount by the way? I bought an articulating mount and am waiting for somebody to install it but that looks easy and it 50$ cheaper


It's nice. Very easy install and holds TV securely. TV is about 3" off the wall in order to tilt it up for connections.
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thanks, its the ts01- in two sentences, can you explain the talk of different panels and should there be concern with the one I have? thanks

Sorry, I don't know that
post #3798 of 6770
Please help.
Newby to the forum..first post.
I've had my ue46f8000 for about 3wks now and have to say I'm absolutely stunned by the picture quality.
One major issue though is that when I select my xbmc box to stream and watch movies I have terrible lip sync issues (sound about 3/4sec behind the picture) this is making the films unwatchable.
It's in the hdmi 3 slot.
All my other devices blueray satellite, etc are all ok.
Any ideas?
Btw I also have a HW-F550 sound bar, but when I turn this off the lip sync issue is still there.
Thanks in anticipation.
G
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Originally Posted by Bloopdad View Post

Please help.
Newby to the forum..first post.
I've had my ue46f8000 for about 3wks now and have to say I'm absolutely stunned by the picture quality.
One major issue though is that when I select my xbmc box to stream and watch movies I have terrible lip sync issues (sound about 3/4sec behind the picture) this is making the films unwatchable.
It's in the hdmi 3 slot.
All my other devices blueray satellite, etc are all ok.
Any ideas?
Btw I also have a HW-F550 sound bar, but when I turn this off the lip sync issue is still there.
Thanks in anticipation.
G
Have you tried other dlna servers to see if it's xbmc specific?
post #3800 of 6770
I got my new 65F8000 ver. US02 delivered and setup this morning. Made the changes for the settings according to what has been listed in this thread. The picture is outstanding. So far, everything is good.
Can't wait to watch football.
post #3801 of 6770
The best picture I have seen on my 65F8000 was root sport broadcast of a University of Wyoming football game. Unbelievably perfect if that is possible.
post #3802 of 6770
I just finished setting up my new 60F8000. Wow, this picture is great even before I get it fully calibrated. Thanks to all who have posted their settings in this thread.
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Originally Posted by lakaw View Post

It's nice. Very easy install and holds TV securely. TV is about 3" off the wall in order to tilt it up for connections.


I used a monoprice 5916 to hang my 65F8000 and it's 1.8 inches from the wall. It has up to a 15 degree tilt if needed.
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Anyone with a US01 or US02 panel, how are your black levels at night with back light maxed out? Is it a bit grey? I have a TS01 and the black levels at night become distractingly grey to me. So distracting I'm almost convinced to upgrade to either the 2014 flagship plasma or LED if the black levels are noticeably better.

My pickiness and attention to detail is frustrating :/
post #3805 of 6770
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Anyone with a US01 or US02 panel, how are your black levels at night with back light maxed out? Is it a bit grey? I have a TS01 and the black levels at night become distractingly grey to me. So distracting I'm almost convinced to upgrade to either the 2014 flagship plasma or LED if the black levels are noticeably better.

My pickiness and attention to detail is frustrating :/

I have the US02 panel and the blacks at night look pretty good on my end.
post #3806 of 6770
US02 here..

Blacks are just fine. Couldn't be happier with this set. This from a Pioneer Kuro owner.
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I have the US02 panel and the blacks at night look pretty good on my end.
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US02 here..

Blacks are just fine. Couldn't be happier with this set. This from a Pioneer Kuro owner.

I'm becoming very black level sensitive. Probably because I have an AMOLED screen on my phone and I'm watching my TV at night in a pitch black room. The blacks are perhaps the deepest of any edge lit LED but my growing sensitivity to black levels is leaving me longing with the F8000.

I love my F8000 very much. I guess I should just get over it and keep the F8000 instead of upgrading yet again. I'll just get caught in a vicious cycle.

Could anyone take a picture of their US02's black levels in a pitch black room? Turn Smart LED Off and display an all black screen with backlight maxed out and some white graphics on screen?
Edited by DRN94 - 12/28/13 at 8:17pm
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I'm becoming very black level sensitive. Probably because I have an AMOLED screen on my phone and I'm watching my TV at night in a pitch black room. The blacks are perhaps the deepest of any edge lit LED but my growing sensitivity to black levels is leaving me longing with the F8000.

I love my F8000 very much. I guess I should just get over it and keep the F8000 instead of upgrading yet again. I'll just get caught in a vicious cycle.

Could anyone take a picture of their US02's black levels in a pitch black room? Turn Smart LED Off and display an all black screen with backlight maxed out and some white graphics on screen?

I will try and post a pic with smart led off later this week...but even with it off the uniformity is pretty amazing. I do understand where your coming from...especially since everyone wants what they paid for...but after owning a couple F7100's with terrible uniformity issues...flash lighting clouding...this set is just simply awesome! I still can't find anything that at least for me would want to make an exchange.
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The black level is very deep on my TS01. The TS01 is the first panel for the F8000 and was the one reviewers were critiquing. Bright scenes with a little black in them look incredibly dynamic on the F8000, even at night. But dark scenes that are mostly black with a little bright elements appear greyish at night to my eyes. It's very hard to show in a camera but I've tried my best to capture pictures of my black level with maxed out backlight and no local dimming enabled. I've also tried to capture the greyish affect that I see at night in a pitch black room.

This is what my black level looks like with no dimming and on max backlight. Realistically, this is the black that is in the middle of the picture when surrounded by bright content. I used YouTube full screen to keep the LED's from shutting out or even slightly dimming. The uniformity is much better in person than the photos imply. The black levels are also better in person too. But for the sake of showing the unadulterated black levels:





But with dimming the blacks looks great. And according to my camera I have clouding in the bottom left of my panel. At least I can't see that with my eyes.




As far as the greyish affect, I was sorta able to replicate it using my camera. So imagine a character with his back turned to the camera and his backside is dark/black and the scene is well lit. If the character with his back turned is at the edge of the frame, the black level looks grey compared to the pure black behind the TV and it can become very distracting to me during dark scenes with fairly bright objects on screen to keep the LEDs brighter.





All the dark portions of this picture are supposed to be black or near black but it's greyish to me. You can sort of see what I'm talking about in this picture but let me do a close up...



The black level illustrated in this picture better illustrates what the black level looks like across the panel. As greyish and washed out as the black level looks in this picture, it's still deeper than my Samsung S23A950D monitor. So the black level is definitely deep and maybe my eyes are just more sensitive to black level performance or... my expectations of the F8000's black level performance are just too unrealistically demanding for an LED TV.

But it really depends on the screen. Sorta dark scenes with a little dark elements look great. Examples:





The reason why these look very dynamic is because the darker elements of the scenes are in the corners, which the F8000 does a very good job dimming. However, with darker elements in the middle or surrounded by brighter elements, the dimming is not effective. Here is an example where the trees should be pitch black but appear grey at night:




Any thoughts? Keep in mind, this is at MAX backlight. Based on the impression of contrast ratio readings from reviews, the F8000 supposedly has a better contrast at higher light outputs and it may be why I prefer keeping my backlight maxed out. I'm starting to think I'm just pointing out the obvious but I want to hear what you guys think. Am I overly black level sensitive or am I being realistic and should upgrade TV's this next model year?

EDIT: When I sit about 15 feet back, the black level improves. I think this is due to the narrow viewing angle. Even at 6 to 8 feet, the black level at the left and right side aren't as deep as they are at 15 feet back. The black is actually very satisfyingly deep, even in my pitch black room when that far back. I may just scoot my couch back a few feet. For 55" this distance is pushing it but at least I'm getting the true black level of the TV across the whole panel. It's almost deep enough to blend in to the pitch black background.
Edited by DRN94 - 12/28/13 at 10:28pm
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Any thoughts? Keep in mind, this is at MAX backlight.

As you've noted, your vision is affected by the environment, like when you changed your viewing distance. Turning down the backlight and using dim room lighting, such as a bias light behind the TV, would also tend to make the dark portions of the screen appear darker. Vision generally adapts for the light in your view, so having dim room lighting makes it more difficult to notice the light the TV is outputting for video black.

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Based on the impression of contrast ratio readings from reviews, the F8000 supposedly has a better contrast at higher light outputs and it may be why I prefer keeping my backlight maxed out.

Typically a lower black level results in a higher native contrast number, but the generally meaningless dynamic numbers would tend to be higher as white gets brighter.

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Am I overly black level sensitive or am I being realistic and should upgrade TV's this next model year?

A room without lighting makes it easier to see faint light, such as the black level from an LCD. By lowering the backlight and using a closer to recommended white level, typically vision will adapt after a short time so the brightest portion of the image still seems white. Using light in the room is another way to cause your vision to adapt and make the darkest portion of the image appear darker. If you absolutely want to watch in a room without lighting, then a realistic upgrade would be a display that offers a considerably lower native black level, such as some plasmas.
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