or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Samsung UNxxF8000 Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Samsung UNxxF8000 Owners Thread - Page 177

post #5281 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post

Smart LED—a setting that adjusts the hardware-based local dimming, as pulled from "Sound and Vision's Review"

And then D-Katz's quote, "Edge-lit with local dimming ..... These tv's have no hardware dimming - it's all software based"

I know a few years back the D8000 was "Hardware" based.

Any1 confirm if it's a hardware dimming or software-based algorithm dimming?

The reviews I've seen all say the F8000 uses hardware dimming.
post #5282 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by stsva View Post

The reviews I've seen all say the F8000 uses hardware dimming.

Pretty sure the f7100 does software. F8000 uses hardware.
post #5283 of 6720
Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?
post #5284 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?

On my TV, it is set to low and it is grayed out. I use movie mode. Not sure if that is the reason it is grayed out.
post #5285 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?

From Samsung Support:
"If the external device you have connected does not support the full black range that the TVs panel can support you can enable the HDMI Black Level function and have the TV compensate for this lack of black level."

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00000566/63664
post #5286 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?

I've had the 65" for about a week and haven't had it calibrated yet, but in every "recommended settings" I've seen it's set to "off"
post #5287 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?

It's only accessible when an RGB Source,(X-Box/PS4/PS3), is connected. RGB Limited on PS4-HDMI Black Level on LOW. RGB Full-HDMI Black Level on NORMAL.
post #5288 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bellest View Post

I've had the 65" for about a week and haven't had it calibrated yet, but in every "recommended settings" I've seen it's set to "off"

Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientAlien View Post

It's only accessible when an RGB Source,(X-Box/PS4/PS3), is connected. RGB Limited on PS4-HDMI Black Level on LOW. RGB Full-HDMI Black Level on NORMAL.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bellest View Post

I've had the 65" for about a week and haven't had it calibrated yet, but in every "recommended settings" I've seen it's set to "off"

I have my satellite receiver hooked up to it via HDMI. There is no option to shut off the HDMI Black Level under the "Natural" mode. You can either select "low" or "normal". My set is from Canada (I live in Canada), I don't if that makes any difference.
Edited by bestboy1 - 2/19/14 at 9:03am
post #5289 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by stsva View Post


It happens occasionally on my father-in-law's F6300 and less frequently on my F8000. We're both connected directly by HDMI to Verizon Fios STBs.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk


...hmm...sounds like this is actually more wide spread that just limited to 8000's. If so, that makes me less concerned that there may be something broken in MY TV. Perhaps it's one of those undocumented Samsung "features" :confused:.

 

Will be upgrading my AVR in the next few days (I guess HDMI is here to stay :D) so we'll see if that makes a difference.

 

As requested:

Version no: TS01

post #5290 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by SageCrispin View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by stsva View Post

It happens occasionally on my father-in-law's F6300 and less frequently on my F8000. We're both connected directly by HDMI to Verizon Fios STBs.


Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk


...hmm...sounds like this is actually more wide spread that just limited to 8000's. If so, that makes me less concerned that there may be something broken in MY TV. Perhaps it's one of those undocumented Samsung "features" confused.gif .

Will be upgrading my AVR in the next few days (I guess HDMI is here to stay biggrin.gif ) so we'll see if that makes a difference.

As requested:
Version no: TS01

I did a Google search for similar issues and someplace in the first couple of hits was a post from December 2009 complaining of a similar issue (I think it was on an ES series Samsung, but I don't remember for sure).
post #5291 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientAlien View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?

It's only accessible when an RGB Source,(X-Box/PS4/PS3), is connected. RGB Limited on PS4-HDMI Black Level on LOW. RGB Full-HDMI Black Level on NORMAL.

Correct. And when a 16-235 YCbCr signal is received it is grayed out and says Normal. This is also correct and very confusing.
post #5292 of 6720
The topic of Smart LED keeps coming up for good reason. I don't think enough testing has been done or maybe I just haven't seen it.

The following charts are based on an F8000 calibrated with Smart LED Off and then compared to Smart LED On. It's obvious that calibrating with it Off and watching content with it On gives an incorrect picture. Notice how Luminance is reduced in the Cal modes.

My F8000 is unfortunately in storage right now but as soon as I get it mounted I'll do a calibration while Smart LED is enabled.



post #5293 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Correct. And when a 16-235 YCbCr signal is received it is grayed out and says Normal. This is also correct and very confusing.

I have my satellite receiver hooked up to it via HDMI. There is no option to shut off the HDMI Black Level under the "Natural" mode. You can either select "low" or "normal". My set is from Canada (I live in Canada), I don't if that makes any difference. So should I select "low" or "normal".
post #5294 of 6720
Just curious to hear if people experience any banding. I ask because my set exhibits zero. However, I am set to get a replacement due to the faint white line on the left side of the panel. Everything else about the TV is great. Clouding, flash lighting, banding, everything is a none issue. I am afraid my replacement will be worse in those areas. I ave the geek squad protection and am thinking about just having them fix it. Thoughts?
post #5295 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post

Just curious to hear if people experience any banding. I ask because my set exhibits zero. However, I am set to get a replacement due to the faint white line on the left side of the panel. Everything else about the TV is great. Clouding, flash lighting, banding, everything is a none issue. I am afraid my replacement will be worse in those areas. I ave the geek squad protection and am thinking about just having them fix it. Thoughts?

I have the 65" and have witnessed zero banding.
I debated long and hard between this and 64F8500 plasma and I couldn't be more pleased!
post #5296 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post

Just curious to hear if people experience any banding. I ask because my set exhibits zero. However, I am set to get a replacement due to the faint white line on the left side of the panel. Everything else about the TV is great. Clouding, flash lighting, banding, everything is a none issue. I am afraid my replacement will be worse in those areas. I ave the geek squad protection and am thinking about just having them fix it. Thoughts?

Isn't that faint white line or discolored section along the edge common with most f8000 sets or did I make that up? Anyway, I'd learn to deal with it if uniformity issues are nonexistent. You might get worse.
post #5297 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bellest View Post

I've had the 65" for about a week and haven't had it calibrated yet, but in every "recommended settings" I've seen it's set to "off"

Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Does anybody know much about the HDMI Black level setting. I am using "Natural" mode. Should the HDMI Black Level Setting be on "low" or "Normal". What is this setting supposed to do?

I was confusing HDMI blk lvl with blk tone, my apologies...
post #5298 of 6720
Can someone link me to to the most recent setting?
Thank you
post #5299 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlockFan View Post

Hey everyone, I just received my new 65F8000. It looks incredible!!
I am in need of assistance with hooking everything up correctly.
I have a Denon AVR4520, cheap DVD Sony Player, ATT Wireless Cable.

Right now, I have the AT&T Box running directly to the TV via HDMI 1, DVD to TV via HDMI 2 and my Denon running to TV via HDMI 3 (ARC).

I cannot get my Samsung remote to work with my Denon receiver or my Sony DVD player.
It does work with my AT&T box though.

Do I need to change how I hooked this up?

Thanks!

I didn't see anyone reply ot this. I too have a Denon (2112CI).

I would highly reccomend running all your sources through your Denon. Then have your output from the Denon run into HDMI3. This way if you WANT to use ARC you can. I personally use Digital Audio Out, as ARC is frustrating how it changes the source on the Denon to TV input even if you want it on a different source on the Denon.

To get your Samsung Remote to control them all, you need to run the Universal Remote setup.
post #5300 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Correct. And when a 16-235 YCbCr signal is received it is grayed out and says Normal. This is also correct and very confusing.

I have my satellite receiver hooked up to it via HDMI. There is no option to shut off the HDMI Black Level under the "Natural" mode. You can either select "low" or "normal". My set is from Canada (I live in Canada), I don't if that makes any difference. So should I select "low" or "normal".

It's not something you can turn off. It's about what is sent, 0-255 or 16-235, to the display. There is NO option when inputting YCbCr to the TV. It gives you a grayed out Normal and this is 16-235. You only get the choice of LOW or Normal when RGB is inputted. You need to know what that input level is. PC (0-255) should be set to Normal, and TV Legal (16-235) should be set to Low.
post #5301 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by AncientAlien View Post

Isn't that faint white line or discolored section along the edge common with most f8000 sets or did I make that up? Anyway, I'd learn to deal with it if uniformity issues are nonexistent. You might get worse.

Is it? I asked and everyone told me they didn't have it. If its common I will just let it go.
post #5302 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post


I have my satellite receiver hooked up to it via HDMI.

What is your receiver outputting? Can you change it?
post #5303 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

What is your receiver outputting? Can you change it?

Sorry. What do u mean by "receiver outputting". It is an HD FTA Satellite receiver. I notice that when I select "low" setting for HDMI Black level, the blacks are much deeper compared to the "normal setting". I am just wondering whether the blacks are being crushed with the "low" setting.
post #5304 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post


Is it? I asked and everyone told me they didn't have it. If its common I will just let it go.

I don't have a faint white line.  Perhaps a pic of your faint white line ?

post #5305 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by sideout99 View Post
 

I don't have a faint white line.  Perhaps a pic of your faint white line ?

I recent pic I took while using my WOW disc.  Granted I chopped off the top of the screen just slightly  LOL  But no lines.

Not the best of pics to do the TV image justice, but also with the blue background, shows no banding.

 

post #5306 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by sideout99 View Post
 

I recent pic I took while using my WOW disc.  Granted I chopped off the top of the screen just slightly  LOL  But no lines.

Not the best of pics to do the TV image justice, but also with the blue background, shows no banding.

 

 

This is a better pic, I think

 

post #5307 of 6720
I also didn't see any faint white line on the sides.. See my post from yesterday.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HPQ View Post

I decided to go to VeVo (one of the smart apps) to check out the quality and I was blown away.

The blacks are black and the video detail is amazing.

check this out.

First one of the black level.



next is the video capture.




Just love this TV!

if there was a faint white line, you would see it on the first pic. It is all black. All around the words!

Source is the Samsung smart hub - VeVo app

Go to the VeVo app on the Samsung and pull up this music video. Please compare.

Note: You most likely will need to download VeVo from the Samsung App store so do that if you don't see it listed in the app listing.

once you have it loaded, go to browse and it is the third video on the right under Alternative.
Edited by HPQ - 2/19/14 at 4:51pm
post #5308 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by HPQ View Post

I also didn't see any faint white line on the sides.. See my post from yesterday.
if there was a faint white line, you would see it on the first pic. It is all black. All around the words!

Source is the Samsung smart hub - VeVo app

Go to the VeVo app on the Samsung and pull up this music video. Please compare.

Note: You most likely will need to download VeVo from the Samsung App store so do that if you don't see it listed in the app listing.

once you have it loaded, go to browse and it is the third video on the right under Alternative.

I was curious what mine looked like compared to yours.  Downloaded Vevo (seems like an OK app)

Here is what mine looks like.  Of course takings pictures, cameras very.  You seems to have a little more color, blue eyes little bluer, more pink in the lipstick, cheeks.

I am still working on trying to better dial in my PQ.

 

post #5309 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by sideout99 View Post

My bad.  HDMI 1.4 is HDMI hardware/protocol, not cable.

No bad, man, I was agreeing with you...no 1.4 cable required...for your stated reason.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_q View Post

If you want an accurate reproduction of the video source as the director intended then no it does not come down to personal taste. That is decided by the movie maker. Some people like dynamic or vivid mode and using those modes on a TV like this is a total waste.

I understand the effort put into the original film presentation, but my taste differs just a little, so since my opinion matters most to me, I'll continue to waste that effort. Guess I'm not a videophile.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post

Just had that power cycle thing for the first time this morning. Weird.

The set powered off or video dropped out?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sideout99 View Post

This is a better pic, I think


Wow, those are some really big lips! Nice picture though...according to my HP monitor anyway. It looks like your pic is a bit darker than HPQ's, and I think he's using a backlight of 7. What's yours on?
post #5310 of 6720
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

What is your receiver outputting? Can you change it?

Sorry. What do u mean by "receiver outputting". It is an HD FTA Satellite receiver. I notice that when I select "low" setting for HDMI Black level, the blacks are much deeper compared to the "normal setting". I am just wondering whether the blacks are being crushed with the "low" setting.

It's outputting (sending) RGB to the TV or HDMI Black level would be grayed out. Try going into the Sat Receiver menu and see if it says what it is doing. If it is sending TV Legal 16-235 then Low is the correct setting. See if you can change the output to YCbCr.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Samsung UNxxF8000 Owners Thread