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post #31 of 231
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Originally Posted by ptlurking View Post

Robert responded to my invitation request!
I will be attending the Shootout on Saturday evening.
My first time...can't wait! biggrin.gif
I also going Saturday. Wonder how many AVS members are going? Let's organize an AVS meet and greet at the shootout. smile.gif
post #32 of 231
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

I wonder what Best Buy will feel about Panasonic not living up to thier "exclusive" deal? Unless they plan on shipping a non-forsale unit to every dealer that's not supposed to get one till august too?

Best Buy will be thrilled to have Robert include their exclusive model in his shootout. BB will get a lot of ZT60 sales for those first few months that they have the exclusive on this model. Best Buy should pay Robert a big commission since BB/MHT will be getting all the initial sales, not VE. biggrin.gif
post #33 of 231
One of the problems with this shootout is that viewing angle plays a big role on many displays. This is even true on some of the plasmas with very aggressive glare filters that turn the screen dark when seen from below (where most people sit at the shootout). Hopefully they have a bigger room and viewing distance to mitigate this issue.
post #34 of 231
Not sure why Value Electronics gets * out. So I got the Google URL shortener to post this. Anyway, here's the list of TVs that will be in the Shootout.
post #35 of 231
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

One of the problems with this shootout is that viewing angle plays a big role on many displays. This is even true on some of the plasmas with very aggressive glare filters that turn the screen dark when seen from below (where most people sit at the shootout). Hopefully they have a bigger room and viewing distance to mitigate this issue.

its a new room for the shootout, not sure if youve watched the shootout before, but they comment on the viewing angles of the TVs and allows those there to move thier postion to see the difference at multiple angles. The viewing angle usually has little effect on the final score though when it comes down to it, but of course it should have some impact as its part of what you will experience when you take the set home.....
post #36 of 231
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Originally Posted by schnura 
Not sure why Value Electronics gets * out. So I got the Google URL shortener to post this. Anyway, here's the list of TVs that will be in the Shootout.

The Plasma vs. Edge Lit dimming battle eek.gif

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 Plasma
Panasonic TC-P65VT60 Plasma
Samsung PN64F8500 Plasma
Panasonic TC-L55WT60 Edge Lit dimming
Samsung UN60F8000 Edge Lit dimming
LG 60LA8600 Edge Lit dimming
Sony XBR-65X900A 4K Edge Lit dimming
Surprise, surprise!!!



So, what is the surprise? I can only think of three options: a OLED (the famous curved OLED wink.gif), the Samsung 4K S9 or a surprise that really is not a surprise such as the HX950. There ain't gonne be a OLED so it only can be the FALD 4K S9...


Lets do a prediction cool.gif

The winner will be Panasonic TC-P65ZT60
The worst performer will be LG 60LA8600 tongue.gif
post #37 of 231
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post



The Plasma vs. Edge Lit dimming battle eek.gif

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 Plasma
Panasonic TC-P65VT60 Plasma
Samsung PN64F8500 Plasma
Panasonic TC-L55WT60 Edge Lit dimming
Samsung UN60F8000 Edge Lit dimming
LG 60LA8600 Edge Lit dimming
Sony XBR-65X900A 4K Edge Lit dimming
Surprise, surprise!!!



So, what is the surprise? I can only think of three options: a OLED (the famous curved OLED wink.gif), the Samsung 4K S9 or a surprise that really is not a surprise such as the HX950. There ain't gonne be a OLED so it only can be the FALD 4K S9...


Lets do a prediction cool.gif

The winner will be Panasonic TC-P65ZT60
The worst performer will be LG 60LA8600 tongue.gif

Hopefully, they throw a Kuro up there as the surprise. It would be nice if they could get the LG OLED, though. I thought there were still lots of delays for those sets.

Predictions: ZT60 wins on measurements, but F8500 is the crowd favorite and the new firmware makes it in before the shootout. 4k fails to impress.
post #38 of 231
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Hopefully, they throw a Kuro up there as the surprise. It would be nice if they could get the LG OLED, though. I thought there were still lots of delays for those sets.
The Kuro wouldn't be in the running, though, and it has already been stated (rumor and hearsay to be fair since I haven't heard it straight from the horse's mouth) that Robert's Kuro will be there as a reference only (not to be included in the shootout proper).
post #39 of 231
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

i would not wonder about that_there will be no LG 55'' OLED present in the USA in may 2013

and we ain't gonna see a 4K TV...

The Sony HX950 is basicly the HX929 so that's not interesting.

The 2013 Panasonic/Samsung Plasma's will be fresh on the market so no user complaints and reviews, to early for a shoot-out participation IMO


I would like to see the LG OLED and i want to know wether or not the Samsung 4K 85S9 is a full array local dimming ( in case it is i would like to see it participating. Will not happen, TV is too expensive, they ain't gonna give it to ya smile.gif).

About it being too early for a shootout: I think I remember Robert saying last year that he was debating having two this year (because it missed some later sets hat some wanted to see included), so I don't know if that plays any part in the timing of this one.
post #40 of 231
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

How about confining the shootout to TV models that people can actually purchase new this year. I see no reason for to have a Kuro even there. It would be like digging up Babe Ruth for to have him at the 2013 baseball All Star Home Run hitting contest.

All I care about is how panels that I might be able to purchase brand new rate, not in paying homage to one from the past that is not on the market.
Because of its value as a reference panel by reviewers and calibrators alike, not to mention the fact that Panasonic has been dredging it up themselves in at least two side-by-side comparisons. Was Babe Ruth's record ever beaten? wink.gif
post #41 of 231
why no Sharp in the list?
post #42 of 231
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Originally Posted by [Irishman] 

About it being too early for a shootout: I think I remember Robert saying last year that he was debating having two this year (because it missed some later sets hat some wanted to see included), so I don't know if that plays any part in the timing of this one.

btw when i said ''we ain't gonna see a 4K'' i was talking about the really expensive 4K TVs such as the XBR 84X900 ($25.000 wink.gif). I did not know then that the cheaper ones were on their way... We might gonna see the $40.000 Samsung4K S9 though (which would be really nice).
post #43 of 231
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

why no Sharp in the list?

Who? biggrin.gif
post #44 of 231
^Don't be a Sharp hater! Is Sony's 2013 panel (which has ditched full-array to my knowledge) expected to blow away Sharp by default?rolleyes.gif
post #45 of 231
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Because of its value as a reference panel by reviewers and calibrators alike, not to mention the fact that Panasonic has been dredging it up themselves in at least two side-by-side comparisons. Was Babe Ruth's record ever beaten? wink.gif

^^^ This, Im not sure why it keeps getting confused. The Kuro IF he deides to bring it would only be sued as reference and be off to the side.....The competition remains between the available sets as it always has......

As far ass the surprise, Robert says he has yet to confirm it will "make" the shootout so there may not be one if it doesnt work out....

Im glad he decided to add the X900A to the list, was goign to happen sooner or later and if it performs well, all the better.....If we started to seperate due to tech\resolution I think the shootouts would become unmanageable.....
post #46 of 231
Not purchase a 2103 model? What are they going to do, wait for the 2014 models and hope one will beat the Kuro? And what if that doesn't happen? Wait for the 2015's? I wouldn't buy a new Kuro right now if they were available and brand new in the box. Too small and no 3D.
post #47 of 231
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Who? biggrin.gif

The last year Sharp panel in Elite was the best, wasn't it?
This year I don't see and full / direct lit LCD, but all Edge lit.

How they would know without comparing to the last year TV sets if 2013 brought better PQ or not?
Or it's about selecting the best out of 2013 models regardless overall PQ?
post #48 of 231
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

The last year Sharp panel in Elite was the best, wasn't it? This year I don't see and full / direct lit LCD, but all Edge lit.

Well it was the best LCD TV last year, but isn't it discontinued now? Sad, Sharp doesn't seem to make any really good models anymore.

Vinnie - i'm not a Sharp hater at all - i have 3 smaller Sharp LCD TVs, and if that Elite had been available in a 50" or 52" screen size i would have bought one (60" is way too big for the man-room). Every time i see them at MHT i am in awe of the picture, so sad to see it didn't survive.
post #49 of 231
^OK, I misinterpreted your flippancy then. wink.gif
post #50 of 231
Maybe the mystery panel will be Panasonic's OLED.
post #51 of 231
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

The last year Sharp panel in Elite was the best, wasn't it?
This year I don't see and full / direct lit LCD, but all Edge lit.

How they would know without comparing to the last year TV sets if 2013 brought better PQ or not?
Or it's about selecting the best out of 2013 models regardless overall PQ?

No, the Panasonic VT50 beat out the Elite.
post #52 of 231
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post



The Plasma vs. Edge Lit dimming battle eek.gif

Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 Plasma
Panasonic TC-P65VT60 Plasma
Samsung PN64F8500 Plasma
Panasonic TC-L55WT60 Edge Lit dimming
Samsung UN60F8000 Edge Lit dimming
LG 60LA8600 Edge Lit dimming
Sony XBR-65X900A 4K Edge Lit dimming
Surprise, surprise!!!



So, what is the surprise? I can only think of three options: a OLED (the famous curved OLED wink.gif), the Samsung 4K S9 or a surprise that really is not a surprise such as the HX950. There ain't gonne be a OLED so it only can be the FALD 4K S9...


Lets do a prediction cool.gif

The winner will be Panasonic TC-P65ZT60
The worst performer will be LG 60LA8600 tongue.gif

Not a very exciting line-up is it? We sure are in purgatory in the high-end right now.
Such a shame the Elite was a one -hit wonder and wasn't improved upon in new releases.

Oh well- agreed the ZT60 will probably destroy those other displays . And gee surprise surprise a Kuro on the side-lines..

One display choice in the high-end. What's up with market? I hope next year has OLED as we are trully in flux right now in display choices...

Have fun fellas at the event. At least it's a chance to meet and greet despite the choices of displays to judge...

Rick
post #53 of 231
Hey Rick, why so glum? I'm excited to see these high end TVs all lined up and reviewed in varying lighting conditions with and without calibration. I'm particularly anxious to see how the F8500 compares to the VT60 and ZT60 and how the ZT60 compares to the VT60.

It also seems that the new crop of edge lit LEDs have local dimming and I want to see how they perform and compare to the best plasmas. I'm tired of worrying about burned in images.

Not sure how you determined the Kuro will be the surprise, I'd like that, but my guess is we'll see an OLED and some 4K.

I just got into a/v a few years ago and now it's a fun and serious hobby. I'm very excited to see the Shootout and can't wait to attend in person as this is a very cool thing to see and be a part of.
post #54 of 231
^Rick's TV of choice is the Sharp Elite, so I think that helps to explain his lack of enthusiasm. And I don't think he was suggesting the Kuro was THE surprise (the "surprise surprise" remark looked more like sarcasm to me, and it will only be there as a reference, not a part of the shootout proper), though I may have easily misinterpreted him. wink.gif The actual surprise display certainly hasn't been revealed yet. ZT60 and F8550 should be good holdovers until/if OLED arrives.
post #55 of 231
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ptlurking View Post

Robert responded to my invitation request!
I will be attending the Shootout on Saturday evening.
My first time...can't wait! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by schnura View Post

I also going Saturday. Wonder how many AVS members are going? Let's organize an AVS meet and greet at the shootout. smile.gif

I'll be there Saturday night as well.

Robert has the the 2013 - 9th Annual Flat Panel Evaluation Trailer trailer up --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MN2dEHgSgI&feature=youtu.be

If the link goes missing, just do a youtube search.
post #56 of 231
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

i would not wonder about that_there will be no LG 55'' OLED present in the USA in may 2013

and we ain't gonna see a 4K TV...

The Sony HX950 is basicly the HX929 so that's not interesting.

The 2013 Panasonic/Samsung Plasma's will be fresh on the market so no user complaints and reviews, to early for a shoot-out participation IMO


I would like to see the LG OLED and i want to know wether or not the Samsung 4K 85S9 is a full array local dimming ( in case it is i would like to see it participating. Will not happen, TV is too expensive, they ain't gonna give it to ya smile.gif).
According to the VE Website, they are indeed having a Sony 4K at the shootout.

Before you starting putting down an event such as Roberts, show me one that is better.
post #57 of 231
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Originally Posted by dsskid 
According to the VE Website, they are indeed having a Sony 4K at the shootout.

Before you starting putting down an event such as Roberts, show me one that is better.
As i explained earlier in this thread - post #42 i was talking about the really expensive 4K TVs.

If you had read the CNET 4K XBR 84X900 Sony review, in which Katzmaier had to visit ''a dark room somewhere upstairs at Sony's Manhattan headquarters'' to be able to do a review, you would have known that the expensive stuff is hard to get... I am not putting down the event, no idea what you are talking about.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-xbr-84x900/4505-6482_7-35431618.html
post #58 of 231
How can they have a real shoot out without a Kuro or a Sharp Elite?
post #59 of 231
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

How can they have a real shoot out without a Kuro or a Sharp Elite?

The Kuro should be there, but it will be off to the side used as reference only and not in the competition since it is no longer made. The shootout is for current model year\available sets that you can buy new.....
post #60 of 231
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

How can they have a real shoot out without a Kuro or a Sharp Elite?

Elite is a 2 year old model and iirc it is no longer in production.


Artie, you should be happy, the panny and Sammy plasmas should do quite well at the shoot out.
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