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post #10051 of 11459
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

You really weren't able to compare both displays since the ZT was removed from your home when the F8500 was delivered. So in all fairness, you really aren't comparing anything. You are going by memory and what you think you remember which has waaaaaaaaaaaaay to many variables involved.

I will trust the pro's who actually do have these TV's to compare as well as the equipment to test. Opinions and perception is questionable.

I really don't understand why F8500 owners cannot just give in on this one. You have a great TV. The blacks do not equal that of the ZT. Done! There really isn't anything to argue over that. The F8500 looks better in a day lit room over the VT60. At night the VT60 will have better blacks then the F8500 and equal to that of the ZT60. In the daytime the ZT60 blacks will be blacker then the F8500 and the VT60. The F8500 will get brighter then the ZT60 and VT60.

Now if you want to bring in the ST60, I have seen mixed reports but some say the blacks in a dark room are equal to or better then the F8500. This is for a whole other war. hahahah

and I dont understand why there is this black level war?

There is more too it than that...its conceivable that if black levels are fairly close you could prefer the TV with the higher black level...
Other attributes could make that TV more favorable for you

I am a perfect example...I prefer the F8500 to the VT

I also got one of the crazy deals on it that Conn's was having....biggrin.gif

Warren
post #10052 of 11459
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

and I dont understand why there is this black level war?

There is more too it than that...its conceivable that if black levels are fairly close you could prefer the TV with the higher black level...
Other attributes could make that TV more favorable for you

I am a perfect example...I prefer the F8500 to the VT

I also got one of the crazy deals on it that Conn's was having....biggrin.gif

Warren
I think we moved on, thanks.
post #10053 of 11459
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I think we moved on, thanks.

outstanding!!

but I am sure it will circle back again

it seems to in this thread...and the Panasonic...every 10-15 pages or so

IMO...a silly argument, that is worthless, based on how different preferences and individual situations can be


Warren
post #10054 of 11459
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Originally Posted by SteveLilley View Post

I ordered this TV from them about a week or so ago. Getting the calibration package and the whole shebang. Have never ordered from them before. People who have: will they retroactively price match this upcoming discount, or will I just have to learn not to be so jumpy with regards to purchases in the future? smile.gif

I assume the set will NOT be calibrated right out of the box, but instead, after you have a few hundred hours on it, they'll come to your home?
post #10055 of 11459
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

I assume the set will NOT be calibrated right out of the box, but instead, after you have a few hundred hours on it, they'll come to your home?

It's break-in/calibration, so I think they do it there before they ship it to me. I'm also not in NY, if that matters.
post #10056 of 11459
Thanks for the advice, guys. I did contact Amazon about an exchange, but the delivery guys won't be here till Friday. I plan to run slides when I'm not watching to accumulate hours and then see where it's at in a couple of days. If the buzz settles down, I can always contact them and tell them that I "fixed" the issue. If not, I'll just get another, I guess. My buzz is annoying due to the fact that it is most prominent when I am sitting down on my couch in FRONT of the TV - but barely heard from anywhere else in the room.

Picture quality is very good. I'm using Movie/Warm 2 with only the only adjustments being that I turned off all the enhancement crap, enabled Dark Room Optimizer, and reduced the Cell Light to 15 (and could probably still reduce it more and be fine for my dimly lit living room). I'm sure color could be improved down the road. Judging from memory, I'd say that the blacks are just a little inferior to what I can recall the VT being like when I was testing out some of my reference BDs in a darkened room. When a little ambient light, I wouldn't even know the difference.
post #10057 of 11459
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

it depends on the element of risk you want to take

Most people never get their homeowners premiums back in the form of claims...but the risk is high enough where most will pay to defer risk to someone else

If an electronic item breaks ...which in many cases these days means its a throw away, since manufacturers dont keep the warehouses of replacement parts as they did in yesteryear

You have to think...what's it worth to defer that risk to someone else.

If it breaks ..will it break my budget to replace it?

Warren
That about sums it up, nice writeup.
post #10058 of 11459
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Originally Posted by johnschwei View Post
 

Ok, I play a ton  of video games on a ps3(launch version, yes I stood in line) and am noticing this on two games I have played on my new Sammy.  Ghosts COD(online play) and Madden 25 (online and offline play).  I am pleased to find someone else with this same "screen tear" issue as I originally thought it was just my TV.  Any info on this and how to fix ?

 

Me too I see this on PS3 and XBOX360, the screen tears. Any luck on this? any luck contacting Samsung, I had a 7100 before and had no tearing issues. 

post #10059 of 11459
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Originally Posted by hove131 View Post

Everything I read is buzzing is normal for a new out of box 8500 which goes away after a few weeks.

Not true at all -I have access to 3 60" F8500s all are still buzzing 4 months later ([with hundreds of hours on them] at the same high levels as when new
post #10060 of 11459
I also had 150-200 hours on my 60F8500 when I returned it and if anything the buzz was louder than at the beginning (or maybe I just noticed it more).
post #10061 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Geminis View Post
 

 

Me too I see this on PS3 and XBOX360, the screen tears. Any luck on this? any luck contacting Samsung, I had a 7100 before and had no tearing issues. 


Ok, hearing a lot of different things on this, most are saying rename hdmi to game, put game mode on, and adjust to "screen fit" on pic size and screen tear will be gone. I have just started testing it and noticed that I am still getting screen tear with these settings on my ps3 but so far not on my ps4. I am going to change the hdmi cable on my ps3 and see if that fixes it, if not I am calling Samsung but doubt they will help me on this. 

post #10062 of 11459
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Originally Posted by johnschwei View Post
 


Ok, hearing a lot of different things on this, most are saying rename hdmi to game, put game mode on, and adjust to "screen fit" on pic size and screen tear will be gone. I have just started testing it and noticed that I am still getting screen tear with these settings on my ps3 but so far not on my ps4. I am going to change the hdmi cable on my ps3 and see if that fixes it, if not I am calling Samsung but doubt they will help me on this. 


I dont get any screen tearing, but I did get some on my 360 before going with screen fit.  I have not changed my hdmi to game (think it was supposed to be PC to reduce lag).  Im not sure what is causing tearing for some people, but I definitley know what you are talking about because I DID see it on my 360 before I made some change.  Wish I knew what it was. 

I do use game mode, screen fit, 32 bit, all options like motion judder etc off,  and have...and this may be most important... I do have it set to limited/TV on the xbox one.   I do remember someone posting somewhere that having it on PC/extended could cause tearing.  What do you have it set too?   

I have NO screen tears on my XBOX ONE, have played AC, BF4, DR3, and FORZA.  All look great, no tears.


Edited by sfumat0 - 1/21/14 at 2:58pm
post #10063 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Dougofthenorth View Post

Not true at all -I have access to 3 60" F8500s all are still buzzing 4 months later ([with hundreds of hours on them] at the same high levels as when new

Not good. Although I am wondering if the buzz is similar to what mine is doing. It actually gets LOUDER whenever the screen is darker, which is the polar opposite of what I'm used to plasmas doing. I tried messing with the Eco settings. The higher up I turned the Eco settings (which reduced the backlight) the louder the buzz would get.
post #10064 of 11459
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Originally Posted by alettiere View Post

Not good. Although I am wondering if the buzz is similar to what mine is doing. It actually gets LOUDER whenever the screen is darker, which is the polar opposite of what I'm used to plasmas doing. I tried messing with the Eco settings. The higher up I turned the Eco settings (which reduced the backlight) the louder the buzz would get.

I thought it was just the opposite with eco sensor. So if you have it set at 14, the lowest it will allow eco to go is a backlight of 14 if turned on. So if you set it at a higher number, say 20, that is the minimum cell light can go, thus the higher the brightness will be, and the louder the buzz.
Edited by wxman - 1/21/14 at 6:40pm
post #10065 of 11459
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Originally Posted by wxman View Post

I thought it was just the opposite with eco sensor. So if you have it set at 14, the lowest it will allow eco to go is a backlight of 14 if turned on. So if you set it at a higher number, say 20, that is the minimum cell light can go, thus the higher the brightness will be, and the louder the buzz.

Oops. What I meant was Energy Savings. The higher I set it, the darker the screen gets, yet, the louder the buzz gets.
post #10066 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post


Tweaks

"In Picture options, changing Color Tone from Warm2 to Warm1 alleviates the off white and greenish tinge, "

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Could you ask Chad if for the calibration, did he stick with that inital tweak or did he change it to Warm 2 again?
Or was Warm1 closer to D6500 and therefore simpler to use as a starting point?
post #10067 of 11459
Hi,

Can any twitch gamers confirm if samsung fixed the high lag issue with a firmware? I know the best was about 62ms in PC Mode. But has it been improved further since?

Just as side comment, when i first got my samsung F8000 LED TV the input lag was awful, but a few firmwares down the road and now its amazing for games. I hope the same has happened for the F8500.

Thanks.
post #10068 of 11459
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Originally Posted by sfumat0 View Post
 


I dont get any screen tearing, but I did get some on my 360 before going with screen fit.  I have not changed my hdmi to game (think it was supposed to be PC to reduce lag).  Im not sure what is causing tearing for some people, but I definitley know what you are talking about because I DID see it on my 360 before I made some change.  Wish I knew what it was. 

I do use game mode, screen fit, 32 bit, all options like motion judder etc off,  and have...and this may be most important... I do have it set to limited/TV on the xbox one.   I do remember someone posting somewhere that having it on PC/extended could cause tearing.  What do you have it set too?   

I have NO screen tears on my XBOX ONE, have played AC, BF4, DR3, and FORZA.  All look great, no tears.

Ok on ps4:

game mode on

hdmi renamed to game

screen fit(finally gave in)

warm1 and no screen tearing so far

 

Same settings on ps3 and notice some screen tear while playing madden online yesterday, I put a new hdmi cable on the ps3 and will post if the screen tear continues.....

post #10069 of 11459
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Could you ask Chad if for the calibration, did he stick with that inital tweak or did he change it to Warm 2 again?
Or was Warm1 closer to D6500 and therefore simpler to use as a starting point?
I have not seen him lately. You can always catch him in the forums or thru e-mail on his web site........
post #10070 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I have not seen him lately. You can always catch him in the forums or thru e-mail on his web site........
I PM:ed him back in December but never got a reply. I guess I can try that again.
post #10071 of 11459
Let me know if he gets back to you. I have the set that he calibrated and reviewed. It would be nice to know that... haha
post #10072 of 11459
Although I'm fairly sure it's warm 2. His instructions are to start with default settings, but make no mention of changing color temperature....
post #10073 of 11459
May be a silly question but...

on the 8500, will the new evolution kit (2014) be able to bring 4K to this display?
post #10074 of 11459
No.
post #10075 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

Although I'm fairly sure it's warm 2. His instructions are to start with default settings, but make no mention of changing color temperature....

Thats right, warm 2.
post #10076 of 11459
I received my Samsung 60 inch F8500 model Friday from Crutchfield and so far so good. November built, low buzz, almost sounds like a fan spinning up close, 10 feet away no noticeable sound. Just one minor flaw, there seems to be a dead or stuck pixel, I'm going with a stuck pixel. Breaking in the set watching blu-ray movies in 1.78.1 and 1.85




Edited by HDgeneration - 1/26/14 at 3:29pm
post #10077 of 11459
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Originally Posted by HDgeneration View Post

I received my Samsung 60 inch F8500 model Friday from Crutchfield and so far so good. November built, low buzz, almost sounds like a fan spinning up close, 10 feet away no noticeable sound. Just one minor flaw, there seems to be a dead or stuck pixel, I'm going with a stuck pixel. Breaking in the set watching blu-ray movies in 1.78.1 and 1.85




Congratulations on your new tv. Mine came with 2 stuck pixels. Almost 3 weeks later they are still there. Mine are red/magenta color. If it's black in color, it's a dead pixel. If colored, stuck. Either way, most of the time, they do not become unstuck.
post #10078 of 11459
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Originally Posted by wxman View Post

Congratulations on your new tv. Mine came with 2 stuck pixels. Almost 3 weeks later they are still there. Mine are red/magenta color. If it's black in color, it's a dead pixel. If colored, stuck. Either way, most of the time, they do not become unstuck.



Thanks, its great so far. From a 10 foot distance the pixel is not even noticeable.
post #10079 of 11459
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Originally Posted by HDgeneration View Post

Thanks, its great so far. From a 10 foot distance the pixel is not even noticeable.
What firmware number yours come with and did u upate to 1117.1 if it asked..Congrats smile.gif
Edited by Denniswrly - 1/26/14 at 4:17pm
post #10080 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

What firmware number yours come with and did u upate to 1117.1 if it asked..Congrats smile.gif

I will check right now, but I have a question for the samsung F8500 owners. I have noticed that when watching Full screen movies the top line is not turned on? Or is that part of the screen.

pic included. The top line of the lighted pixels. i know about the dark part on top.


Edited by HDgeneration - 1/26/14 at 4:45pm
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