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Originally Posted by Gary Bechtold View Post


Ha! That is the nature of this hobby.

However, If this upgrade box is going to cost $350, you could probably find a receiver for similar cost or a little more that adds some other useful function that isn't just TV specific.

I don't see me getting any of these future upgrades for the TV anytime soon. My next upgrade will likely be a true 2160p OLED TV. That won't happen anytime soon.

This could go on and on, but why buy the high end TV then, with a low grade audio system. Forget it,,,,

post #10352 of 11446
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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

These sets are not discontinued so BB should be able to get you a swap, if not, return it.....most all 60" seem to have the most buzz, can they upgrade you to a 64?

weird, you would think it would be the other way around. Surely the 64" would use a bigger power supply. Is there any evidence of this or just a forum observation?
post #10353 of 11446
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post


weird, you would think it would be the other way around. Surely the 64" would use a bigger power supply. Is there any evidence of this or just a forum observation?

I think it may have to do with space between the panel and the frame, There must be some gap to allow for expansion and contraction which puts pressure on the frame, but what do I know, seems as if the Samsung rep did not think it was that bad so maybe the op's ears are more sensitive to it.

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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

I think it may have to do with space between the panel and the frame, There must be some gap to allow for expansion and contraction which puts pressure on the frame, but what do I know, seems as if the Samsung rep did not think it was that bad so maybe the op's ears are more sensitive to it.

I have read another buzz post for this model and most complain about the 60 inch model. Repairman said Sammy used to pay them to fix the issue but Sammy won't pay them anymore so they don't fix the buzz. He said he gets 2-3 calls per week on this. If i'm paying 2400 for TV I shouldn't have to put up with a constant buzz when the volume is at normal levels. IMO
post #10355 of 11446
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Originally Posted by Jaybar View Post


I have read another buzz post for this model and most complain about the 60 inch model. Repairman said Sammy used to pay them to fix the issue but Sammy won't pay them anymore so they don't fix the buzz. He said he gets 2-3 calls per week on this. If i'm paying 2400 for TV I shouldn't have to put up with a constant buzz when the volume is at normal levels. IMO

I am not disagreeing with you, I believe you....I said return it or exchange for something else, maybe they have a Panny left. I cannot see why Samsung refuses to recognize this problem...

post #10356 of 11446
interesting. Sad, but interesting. Almost ordered the 64" instead. I wonder though, how many 60's are sold vs 64?

my Panasonic 50PZ80 buzzed bad when I got it. Over time it tamed down a LOT. Hardly noticeable now.
post #10357 of 11446
Thread Starter 
The bigger they are, the easier they sell.........
post #10358 of 11446
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

VAHighland,

Try running your components directly to the display bypassing the 4311. Even though my Marantz 8801 isn't suppose to be doing any processing, I can tell a difference when I run components through them.

That video looks like clouding typical to LCDs. Maybe somebody else on this thread can comment.

If your cell light is on 20, reduce it.
Yep, tried running directly from the Oppo to the TV, same issue. Cell light is at 15.
post #10359 of 11446
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Originally Posted by Jaybar View Post

I have read another buzz post for this model and most complain about the 60 inch model. Repairman said Sammy used to pay them to fix the issue but Sammy won't pay them anymore so they don't fix the buzz. He said he gets 2-3 calls per week on this. If i'm paying 2400 for TV I shouldn't have to put up with a constant buzz when the volume is at normal levels. IMO

I had a 60 that had 84 hours on the MRT and also buzzed. I exchanged considering I believed the TV was used and thought perhaps I'd get one that didn't buzz. Nope, the 2nd set seems to buzz even more. So I too am a bit disappointed. This may have to do with the fact that I mounted it about 2 inches lower though on the wall than the first one. It's clear that the buzzing is highly directional. Ridiculous actually, as if you are sitting on the couch dead center of the screen the buzzing is like a laser to your ears. Turn your head so your ear is perpendicular to the screen and it sounds like you're in the electric chair. However, move to the left side of the coach and the buzzing diminishes by almost 75%. I'm not inclined to return this one as it appears it's a crapshoot as to what you get. What could be worse even, shelling out the extra $ for the 64 with no guarantee that it won't buzz also. During movies and normal volume it's not all that noticeable. It's annoying when you first turn on the TV, during silent transitions or low infrequent dialogue scenes. At this point, you have to decide what's important, superior PQ or lack of buzzing, as every Plasma buzzes. Those that say theirs doesn't buzz, either do not have as sensitive hearing, are lucky enough to have an acoustic environment that diminishes it, or are lying. Experiment with the position of the TV on the wall if mounted. Enjoy the TV and try not to "listen" for the buzz. Eventually it may become white noise to you and you won't notice it.
post #10360 of 11446
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Originally Posted by Jabber5 View Post

I had a 60 that had 84 hours on the MRT and also buzzed. I exchanged considering I believed the TV was used and thought perhaps I'd get one that didn't buzz. Nope, the 2nd set seems to buzz even more. So I too am a bit disappointed. This may have to do with the fact that I mounted it about 2 inches lower though on the wall than the first one. It's clear that the buzzing is highly directional. Ridiculous actually, as if you are sitting on the couch dead center of the screen the buzzing is like a laser to your ears. Turn your head so your ear is perpendicular to the screen and it sounds like you're in the electric chair. However, move to the left side of the coach and the buzzing diminishes by almost 75%. I'm not inclined to return this one as it appears it's a crapshoot as to what you get. What could be worse even, shelling out the extra $ for the 64 with no guarantee that it won't buzz also. During movies and normal volume it's not all that noticeable. It's annoying when you first turn on the TV, during silent transitions or low infrequent dialogue scenes. At this point, you have to decide what's important, superior PQ or lack of buzzing, as every Plasma buzzes. Those that say theirs doesn't buzz, either do not have as sensitive hearing, are lucky enough to have an acoustic environment that diminishes it, or are lying. Experiment with the position of the TV on the wall if mounted. Enjoy the TV and try not to "listen" for the buzz. Eventually it may become white noise to you and you won't notice it.

Just wanted to chime in, I have the 64' and it buzzes, it bothered me a little at first especially coming from an LED, but after a few days I can't even notice it. When I had my F8000 in the cave, I always found myself looking for ways to correct motion, reduce clouding and or flashlighting...and improve pq quality instead of just simply enjoying the set. I can live with the buzz, without having too constantly adjust settings to see which one is the best. The buzzing is in my opinion a small price too pay for a great picture!
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post


weird, you would think it would be the other way around. Surely the 64" would use a bigger power supply. Is there any evidence of this or just a forum observation?

Just a forum observation.....what makes you think the power supply has anything to do with it....It would seem if it was the P.S. it would be fixable by Samsung.

post #10362 of 11446
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Originally Posted by Angelp1977 View Post

Just wanted to chime in, I have the 64' and it buzzes, it bothered me a little at first especially coming from an LED, but after a few days I can't even notice it. When I had my F8000 in the cave, I always found myself looking for ways to correct motion, reduce clouding and or flashlighting...and improve pq quality instead of just simply enjoying the set. I can live with the buzz, without having too constantly adjust settings to see which one is the best. The buzzing is in my opinion a small price too pay for a great picture!

LED?
post #10363 of 11446
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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

Just a forum observation.....what makes you think the power supply has anything to do with it....It would seem if it was the P.S. it would be fixable by Samsung.

Well if it was a case of the buzz getting worse as the size of screen going up, then one might think that its power related with the larger screen drawing more power.

But its not. If the 64 is quieter, then I'm more inclined to believe that its a chassis issue, or that the 64 uses a completely different power supply or board somewhere that doesn't buzz. If the buzz clearly gets worse during bright screens, which it should, then I'm back to a power related issue. if the buzz gets worse the longer the tv is on, then I'm back to a heat issue.

I will bet $100 bucks that when mine comes in next week, it'll buzz. If there is a single chance of a flaw or issue, it always happens to me. So maybe once I hear it, I'll have a better idea.
post #10364 of 11446
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post


Well if it was a case of the buzz getting worse as the size of screen going up, then one might think that its power related with the larger screen drawing more power.

But its not. If the 64 is quieter, then I'm more inclined to believe that its a chassis issue, or that the 64 uses a completely different power supply or board somewhere that doesn't buzz. If the buzz clearly gets worse during bright screens, which it should, then I'm back to a power related issue. if the buzz gets worse the longer the tv is on, then I'm back to a heat issue.

I will bet $100 bucks that when mine comes in next week, it'll buzz. If there is a single chance of a flaw or issue, it always happens to me. So maybe once I hear it, I'll have a better idea.

Just because the buzz gets louder with a white screen does not make it a power supply issue, it has been corrected by changing the torque on some screws on SOME sets. I do not have it. I am not a Samsung tech or even like Samsung products, I think they are cheap, budget minded manufacturer. Look at all the cheap capacitors they used for years. If you were correct, then all the 64" would BUZZ. I do wish you luck with your new set. Because it is like a slot machine in Vegas.....

post #10365 of 11446
They all buzz to some degree when first pulled out of the box. Depends on what happens during the next 2 weeks - mine - 3 days some buzz, which was only in the upper left at the back corner. Gone
One other instance when a warning screen come up. I could hear the buzz 6 feet away. Since then, nothing.
post #10366 of 11446
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Originally Posted by Jabber5 View Post

I had a 60 that had 84 hours on the MRT and also buzzed. I exchanged considering I believed the TV was used and thought perhaps I'd get one that didn't buzz. Nope, the 2nd set seems to buzz even more. So I too am a bit disappointed. This may have to do with the fact that I mounted it about 2 inches lower though on the wall than the first one. It's clear that the buzzing is highly directional. Ridiculous actually, as if you are sitting on the couch dead center of the screen the buzzing is like a laser to your ears. Turn your head so your ear is perpendicular to the screen and it sounds like you're in the electric chair. However, move to the left side of the coach and the buzzing diminishes by almost 75%. I'm not inclined to return this one as it appears it's a crapshoot as to what you get. What could be worse even, shelling out the extra $ for the 64 with no guarantee that it won't buzz also. During movies and normal volume it's not all that noticeable. It's annoying when you first turn on the TV, during silent transitions or low infrequent dialogue scenes. At this point, you have to decide what's important, superior PQ or lack of buzzing, as every Plasma buzzes. Those that say theirs doesn't buzz, either do not have as sensitive hearing, are lucky enough to have an acoustic environment that diminishes it, or are lt back on the Samsung ng. Experiment with the position of the TV on the wall if mounted. Enjoy the TV and try not to "listen" for the buzz. Eventually it may become white noise to you and you won't notice it.

I mounted mine on the TV stand/console's bracket (so it is ~6" higher) & took the TVs stand off
Fixed the back left top buzz that handling it caused.

But the normal directional screen buzz is worse & unbearable

I'll put the TVs stand back on & set it back on the console...

Boy that buzz is sure directionally specific mad.gif
post #10367 of 11446
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I'm not so sure that what you're seeing isn't the ABL (automatic brightness limiter) in the F8500.

To be sure that we're talking about the same thing... isn't the entire picture dimming slightly? It's not just a change in the brightness of blacks.

when the image on screen is a dark scene, the screen dims and black looks awesome. when the image on screen is a bright scene, the screen remains bright.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly the OPPOSITE of ABL behaviour. for what it's worth, I've never noticed bright scenes 'dim'.
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^Referring to ABL, bright scenes don't dim per se they just don't get to 100% of the brightness they should be at to begin with.
post #10369 of 11446
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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

Just because the buzz gets louder with a white screen does not make it a power supply issue, it has been corrected by changing the torque on some screws on SOME sets. I do not have it. I am not a Samsung tech or even like Samsung products, I think they are cheap, budget minded manufacturer. Look at all the cheap capacitors they used for years. If you were correct, then all the 64" would BUZZ. I do wish you luck with your new set. Because it is like a slot machine in Vegas.....

I am partially dis agreeing with you. cheap capacitors seems to be an issue in a lot of electronics, I do not consider The top end of the plasmas budget minded by any stretch. They are extrememly expensive especially when you consider most will not last 10 years.

Who makes a "high quality" plasma TV?
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Originally Posted by atcdav View Post

I am partially dis agreeing with you. cheap capacitors seems to be an issue in a lot of electronics, I do not consider The top end of the plasmas budget minded by any stretch. They are extrememly expensive especially when you consider most will not last 10 years.

Who makes a "high quality" plasma TV?

By the looks of it, soon, nobody!
post #10371 of 11446
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Originally Posted by atcdav View Post


I am partially dis agreeing with you. cheap capacitors seems to be an issue in a lot of electronics, I do not consider The top end of the plasmas budget minded by any stretch. They are extrememly expensive especially when you consider most will not last 10 years.

Who makes a "high quality" plasma TV?

You think these are Hi-End????  Pioneer had a hi-end and it ended them because even 5 years ago at a much higher  MSRP than  the larger sets we have today, they were forced to drop a superior product because of poor sales. Panny is basically doing the same. Both the 8500 and the ZT cannot match a 5 year old Pioneer Elite in my opinion. Wake up, there are hundreds of threads about Sammy's LCD capacitor issues. They far exceeded all other TVs.

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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

You think these are Hi-End????  Pioneer had a hi-end and it ended them because even 5 years ago at a much higher  MSRP than  the larger sets we have today, they were forced to drop a superior product because of poor sales. Panny is basically doing the same. Both the 8500 and the ZT cannot match a 5 year old Pioneer Elite in my opinion. Wake up, there are hundreds of threads about Sammy's LCD capacitor issues. They far exceeded all other TVs.

I am saying these are the "hi end" available today. I am in no way saying they are better than pioneer elite, but pioneer elite is not available anymore. The "hi end" we have is expensive crap. I was agreeing with you about capacitors, I am a first hand witness of the issues, My power supply exploded in first year. I was also saying many "quality" electronics use crap capacitors, it is a place to cut corners. PC video cards were loaded with bad capacitors. My Denon receiver is loaded with bad capacitors. It is an issue the manufacturers think rhey can get away with an do.

SO again I am asking you, who do you think makes a hi quality plasma TV available for sale today?
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^If the F8500 is out, there is no such thing.
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"crap" is a bit exaggerated. The plasmas have really nice picture quality, the build quality is the issue IMO. I am happy Samsung is standing behind their product but the problems should exist to begin with.
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Originally Posted by atcdav View Post


I am saying these are the "hi end" available today. I am in no way saying they are better than pioneer elite, but pioneer elite is not available anymore. The "hi end" we have is expensive crap. I was agreeing with you about capacitors, I am a first hand witness of the issues, My power supply exploded in first year. I was also saying many "quality" electronics use crap capacitors, it is a place to cut corners. PC video cards were loaded with bad capacitors. My Denon receiver is loaded with bad capacitors. It is an issue the manufacturers think rhey can get away with an do.

SO again I am asking you, who do you think makes a hi quality plasma TV available for sale today?

Why I bought the Samsung would be a question I would be able to answer. I always preferred the look of plasma, probably because I grew up with CRT's. I bought a 65VT50 last year but had to view in a dark room to really enjoy it. I returned it after 60 days of living in the dark and then I saw the 8500 in Magnolia. I fell in love with the bright, extra sharp, vivid and highly detailed picture. I waited a month or so, maybe longer till they set up ZT60. It was not as sharp or detailed as the 8500 and a lot dimmer in a bright area so when I was walking out of the store with my wife, the salesman gave me an offer I could not refuse.

2 days later it was delivered. The more hours I put on it the better it looks.

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Hey guys,  I've noticed NO buzzing from my new 64" 8500 so I'm real happy based on what many of you have reported of Samsung's having buzzing. 

 

Question:  I'm trying to 'age' the tv sooner for calibration by leaving it on 24/7 but twice now I've realized that its turned itself off!  I've gone into the settings to see if there was anything that was directing this action.....couldn't find anything that's directing the tv to turn off.   Can any of you help me figure out how to make it stop doing this?  ( unless you have reason to feel that this approach to aging it is a bad idea ( to get to calibrate it sooner  aka 1-2 months vs 1 year ( time it'll take me to acquire the hours watching it normally).  The Geek Squad installer ( not the calibrator) told me 100-200hrs....is there reason to believe one should wait till 500 hours before doing a calibration?

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Originally Posted by rivstg1 View Post

Hey guys,  I've noticed NO buzzing from my new 64" 8500 so I'm real happy based on what many of you have reported of Samsung's having buzzing. 

Question:  I'm trying to 'age' the tv sooner for calibration by leaving it on 24/7 but twice now I've realized that its turned itself off!  I've gone into the settings to see if there was anything that was directing this action.....couldn't find anything that's directing the tv to turn off.   Can any of you help me figure out how to make it stop doing this?  ( unless you have reason to feel that this approach to aging it is a bad idea ( to get to calibrate it sooner  aka 1-2 months vs 1 year ( time it'll take me to acquire the hours watching it normally).  The Geek Squad installer ( not the calibrator) told me 100-200hrs....is there reason to believe one should wait till 500 hours before doing a calibration?
i have had convos with Kevin Miller on phone ,it use to be 300hrs ,He recommends over 500 now..gl
post #10378 of 11446
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Originally Posted by KONICA TECH View Post

. . . Look at all the cheap capacitors they used for years. . . .

Truth is that the same caps were used by many including just to name a few: IBM, Dell, HP, Apple, Mitsubishi, and just about every computer motherboard manufacturer. When new all the caps tested good. It was with time that they showed they only had about 10% of the expected life before some failed.

Story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Edited by JRWalker - 2/15/14 at 9:24pm
post #10379 of 11446
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Originally Posted by rivstg1 View Post

Hey guys,  I've noticed NO buzzing from my new 64" 8500 so I'm real happy based on what many of you have reported of Samsung's having buzzing. 

Question:  I'm trying to 'age' the tv sooner for calibration by leaving it on 24/7 but twice now I've realized that its turned itself off!  I've gone into the settings to see if there was anything that was directing this action.....couldn't find anything that's directing the tv to turn off.   Can any of you help me figure out how to make it stop doing this?  ( unless you have reason to feel that this approach to aging it is a bad idea ( to get to calibrate it sooner  aka 1-2 months vs 1 year ( time it'll take me to acquire the hours watching it normally).  The Geek Squad installer ( not the calibrator) told me 100-200hrs....is there reason to believe one should wait till 500 hours before doing a calibration?

I have the 64 and I do not have buzzing issues. If I put my ear a few inches from it I can hear the buzz, but not from where I sit. I have it mounted on the stand that it comes with sitting atop my Salamander Systems cabinet in the open air. Honestly if all you read is the forums you would think this is a terrible TV with buzzing so loud you would think you have tinnitus. I'm sure people have real issues with this TV and nothing is perfect but I have to say It's not that bad. Now ignore the complaints and enjoy your new TV. I know I do. smile.gif
post #10380 of 11446
My 64" has no buzzing issues, at least as far as I can tell. That makes me happy.

I'm really enjoying it (72 hours on the panel so far), but also struggling a bit to come to terms with it.

It was a choice between this 64" F8500 and a ZT.

What I would REALLY have liked, was my 50" Kuro in a 65" size. But, of course, that was not going to happen.

I'm quite sure that, for my viewing environment, the ZT would have been too dim. I think the 64" F8500 was the best choice.

I'm still struggling to tame it, get it dialed in appropriately. My philosophy is that I want my panel to look like a clear window, and I am looking through that window to see the live action on the other side.

The vividness and sharpness of the F8500 is a little strange to me. I haven't quite found the dial-in to tame it yet.

Don't mistake me, this was the right choice, and given the few choices in 2013 / 2014 I would choose this buzz-less fan-less F8500 again. "Untamed" is better than "too dim for my environment".

But I sure wish I could get my old 50" Kuro picture in 65".
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