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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

"image a bit soft."

I certainly notice this w/ Panasonics, but not with Samsung's there vp is darn good for a display.

Allow me to qualify that statement. I meant the image was a bit soft compared to the out of the box setting I had with the sharpness shot up to 25 and the greyscale and gamma off. But not any softer than my previously calibrated sets.
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

Had some time with my fully calibrated set yesterday. The very first impression I had when I turned it on was one of slight disappointment. The PQ had lost just a bit of the punchiness it had right out of the box. I've had calibrated sets for the last five years or so, except for last year when I got the D7000. I had just never gotten around to calibrating it before it was replaced. For the last year I've been using an uncalibrated set using just Spears and Muncil as my calibrator. So going from that, then this set out of the box, to a perfectly calibrated set, I think most people would initially find the image a bit soft. Thankfully as I continued watching, I started noticing accurate whites, inky blacks, correct skin tones non buzzing vertical lines, no brightness pops for the first time in a year, basically all of the things you would expect from a well calibrated set. I turned the tv off at the end of the night without the slightest bit of buyers remorse. I absolutely love the PQ on this set. It's the best looking PQ I've ever owned and I couldn't be happier with it. I'm still waiting for Ken to send over my calibration report so I can share it (he did say he was immensely busy during this tour). Once he gets around to sending it over to me, I'll be sure to share it with the forum.

This is a very important point for people that have never had their display ISF'd. It is often a disappointment in that it does remove the 'unchained pop' that an uncalibrated display can have. I always tell people to give it a week and do not go back to your old settings during that time. After a week I tell them to now go back and look at the settings they once had. Invariably the response is something like "I can't believe that's how I was watching it". wink.gif
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

One thing I have to mention on the down side: my stand rocks and the more I look at it, the less comfortable I am with it. In order for it to be stable, I either have to lean the tv slightly back (not good for viewing angle) or lean it forward (not ideal for viewing angle and also it scares me that it could easily tip right over). There is no way for my tv to rest at a perfect 90 degree angle with the furniture it sits on. It's either resting at 105 degrees or 75 degrees relative to the furniture. It's almost as if they replaced left and right swivelability (is that a word?) with back and forth rockability (another made up word). I can't see how the delivery guys could have set the stand up incorrectly as I watched them do it. Also, I've seen a few other reports from owners on this thread of the same thing. I'm wondering if its a.) a defect in my stand that is pretty widespread. b.) a design flaw that is inherent in this model or c.) was the stand just put together incorrectly. I know some people also said that their stand didn't rock, but I think it's possible that they just didn't notice it since the tilt back or forth where it the tv rests isn't super noticable unless you walk up to the tv and actually try to rock it. Thoughts anyone?

This stand (and many others for that matter) won't win any awards for stability. I always watch the more 'adventurous' of our two cats as he eyes the top of my Elite. It scares the hell out of me that he could tip it over if he actually jumped on top. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Thanks airgas. My intentions were not all 'noble', they were partly selfish too as this is my #1 contender for my next display. Nothing I saw today would change that.

Hahaha! Ken, all I saw was "noble" and "airgas". Get it...noble gas. Inert gas is in plasma cells, but it was funny to see that in a post about plasmas, LOL! Or maybe I'm just too much of a geek. rolleyes.gif
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Ken, Thank you again for going out and gettign a detailed report.....While I ahve no doubt those that are reporting the issue actually see it, I hope that it can be fixed for them by adjsuting setitngs and or a fix comes from Samsung........
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

Hahaha! Ken, all I saw was "noble" and "airgas". Get it...noble gas. Inert gas is in plasma cells, but it was funny to see that in a post about plasmas, LOL! Or maybe I'm just too much of a geek. rolleyes.gif

You really want to me leave this thread that much? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

Hahaha! Ken, all I saw was "noble" and "airgas". Get it...noble gas. Inert gas is in plasma cells, but it was funny to see that in a post about plasmas, LOL! Or maybe I'm just too much of a geek. rolleyes.gif



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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

You really want to me leave this thread that much? biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post



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ROFL!!! biggrin.gif
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Ljmart & Pinger, you're very welcome.

Pinger, if you're headed up there tomorrow, by all means confirm what I've said. I'd welcome yet another set of eyes. As I said, the AVS members that were up last week couldn't see it according to Robert and we just saw it in that one scene. But it never hurts to have another data point on the same display.

I just don't trust these non-calibrated displays we often see at retailers. On my way home I stopped off at the Westbury Magnolia. I had them put the 60" F8500 in to "Standard" mode from "Dynamic". I'd guess the room sensor was engaged since the display got very dim and washed out.

So now I could see someone checking out that F8500 and saying "that's what all this fuss is about, you gotta be kidding me". wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post



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That's exactly what I said to Robert as we continued to search for the pops, 'We're such nerds!". biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That's exactly what I said to Robert as we continued to search for the pops, 'We're such nerds!". biggrin.gif

Hahaha! That's awesome! I'm totally jelly you're close enough to just drop by Robert's store and geek out for a bit. I don't have any stores like that where I live. :-/
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Ken - Would you mind making it clear about the settings you and Robert were looking at on the 64"? Were those calibrated by Kevin Miller? If so, have they been tweaked since the initial calibration? If not, can those settings be provided?

Additionally, have you been able to compare Robert's settings to those by Chad? I'm wondering if they're somewhat parallel or not.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

This is a very important point for people that have never had their display ISF'd. It is often a disappointment in that it does remove the 'unchained pop' that an uncalibrated display can have. I always tell people to give it a week and do not go back to your old settings during that time. After a week I tell them to now go back and look at the settings they once had. Invariably the response is something like "I can't believe that's how I was watching it". wink.gif
This stand (and many others for that matter) won't win any awards for stability. I always watch the more 'adventurous' of our two cats as he eyes the top of my Elite. It scares the hell out of me that he could tip it over if he actually jumped on top. eek.gif

Haha by "adventurous" you mean mischievous. The reason for picking up the D7000 was because my old Sony LCD was knocked over by an out of control 4 year old daughter of my girlfriend's best friend. The whole time the kid was watching cartoons so that the adults could talk, she kept jumping up and poking the screen because she got excited over the programing. I was getting more and more nervous and my gf kept telling me not to be so paranoid. Kept telling me I loved my tv more than I loved her. I tried to keep it cool but then sure as ****, in slow motion I see her jump up, poke the tv until it leaned back enough to fall over on the the floor crushing the screen and smashing in to the wires behind the wall unit, which in turned pulled out all of my av equipment in a thunderous crash. The next sound I heard after the dust settled was the searing sound of a toddler screaming at the top of her lungs. The menace's mother then had the audacity to yell at me for having the equipment "precariously set up". She said I had a recipe for disaster and because I was so careless, I could have hurt her daughter...smh...man, I almost punched a 4 year old girl that night. Needless to say I'm overprotective these days...and also that girlfriend is now an ex.
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Ken - Would you mind making it clear about the settings you and Robert were looking at on the 64"? Were those calibrated by Kevin Miller? If so, have they been tweaked since the initial calibration? If not, can those settings be provided?

Additionally, have you been able to compare Robert's settings to those by Chad? I'm wondering if they're somewhat parallel or not.

I believe all of Ves sets were calibrated by Kevin and you can check out the settings used in his full review posted up on TweakTV wink.gif

I dont think Chad has posted the settings he used only the results....Some calibrators dont post settings for obvious reasons, they are enthusiasts, but also in this to make money wink.gif if you want the settings you gotta pay for it biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Ken - Would you mind making it clear about the settings you and Robert were looking at on the 64"? Were those calibrated by Kevin Miller? If so, have they been tweaked since the initial calibration? If not, can those settings be provided?

Additionally, have you been able to compare Robert's settings to those by Chad? I'm wondering if they're somewhat parallel or not.

I don't think Kevin want's his settings public and I'm not sure how closely they mirror Chad's. The displays we used are still faithful to Kevin's original calibration and haven't been changed.
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

Haha by "adventurous" you mean mischievous. The reason for picking up the D7000 was because my old Sony LCD was knocked over by an out of control 4 year old daughter of my girlfriend's best friend. The whole time the kid was watching cartoons so that the adults could talk, she kept jumping up and poking the screen because she got excited over the programing. I was getting more and more nervous and my gf kept telling me not to be so paranoid. Kept telling me I loved my tv more than I loved her. I tried to keep it cool but then sure as ****, in slow motion I see her jump up, poke the tv until it leaned back enough to fall over on the the floor crushing the screen and smashing in to the wires behind the wall unit, which in turned pulled out all of my av equipment in a thunderous crash. The next sound I heard after the dust settled was the searing sound of a toddler screaming at the top of her lungs. The menace's mother then had the audacity to yell at me for having the equipment "precariously set up". She said I had a recipe for disaster and because I was so careless, I could have hurt her daughter...smh...man, I almost punched a 4 year old girl that night. Needless to say I'm overprotective these days...and also that girlfriend is now an ex.

oooooh man, that's awful! i mean the tv etc wink.gif lol i would have freaked... dang! glad the kid wasn't hurt, but wow. bet you had nightmares about the screen breaking for months!!
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PH8t -

Thanks. Here's Chad's calibrations.

file:///C:/Users/Nick/Downloads/Favorites/Downloads/Samsung%2064F8500%20movie.pdf
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I think you may need to fix your link wink.gif unless you want to grant me access to your local computer wink.gifbiggrin.gif


You can find Kevins results here
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I don't think Kevin want's his settings public and I'm not sure how closely they mirror Chad's. The displays we used are still faithful to Kevin's original calibration and haven't been changed.


Ken - So,...Is it safe to assume that Kevin's calibrations have been tweaked since his initial postings?
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BTW I guess we dont care about how black the TV gets and only care about brightness biggrin.gif:D wink.gif at least thats the rumor about the owners of this set and those are are participating here wink.gif
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Posted in this thread:

Chad B's Samsung F8500 Review
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Ph8te - Sorry about that. They're listed in a PDF that at the bottom of the very first entry on page 1 by Cleveland. Both Chad's and Kevin's have been posted but, I'm not technical enough to compare them.
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I just want to mention calibration is not an exact science, although many make it seem that way. Personal preference always comes into play. Most calibrators choose "warm2", for example. I never have been able to get a picture that I really like on warm2, so chances are you will end up tweaking things a bit even after it's been calibrated...at least I do...I can't help myself : )

If you have ever tried a posted cnet calibration, you know what I'm talking about....yuck!
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

That is not fair. You are hearing more about the brightness levels because a lot of the early adopters are people who want to watch a Plasma in bright rooms; some of them even want to not draw the drapes and want to keep the sunlight streaming in, while they watch during the daytime.

They are looking for what they like best about LCD, but without its drawbacks, such as off center picture fade, and backlight clouding issues etc.

It was a tounge in cheek statement really, I know its not the only thing people care about and is not the only benefit to this set wink.gif Its just something I saw and found it funny that people are saying this.....biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

I just want to mention calibration is not an exact science, although many make it seem that way. Personal preference always comes into play. Most calibrators choose "warm2", for example. I never have been able to get a picture that I really like on warm2, so chances are you will end up tweaking things a bit even after it's been calibrated...at least I do...I can't help myself : )

If you have ever tried a posted cnet calibration, you know what I'm talking about....yuck!

Warm 2/1 is usually more "accurate" as far as color goes, it takes some getting used to if all youve evver watched were "cool" leaning images.....I know at 1st I thought everything was too "red" but now it looks normal to me and Cool setting usually look too blue....As you have said though in the end it comes down to what you are happy with, no one else has to like the image but you...
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

BTW I guess we dont care about how black the TV gets and only care about brightness biggrin.gif:D wink.gif at least thats the rumor about the owners of this set and those are are participating here wink.gif

Blacks looked just as good as the vt sitting right next to it. So i would say blacks are just fine.
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

I just want to mention calibration is not an exact science, although many make it seem that way. Personal preference always comes into play. Most calibrators choose "warm2", for example. I never have been able to get a picture that I really like on warm2, so chances are you will end up tweaking things a bit even after it's been calibrated...at least I do...I can't help myself : )

If you have ever tried a posted cnet calibration, you know what I'm talking about....yuck!

Might be a good idea to take a look at these two:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1021933/display-calibration-root-fundamentals

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1055906/sharing-display-menu-settings

Most calibrators choose Warm 2 because it's closest to the industry standard they target and therefore gives them a more accurate starting point. Not because they like it better.
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

Blacks looked just as good as the vt sitting right next to it. So i would say blacks are just fine.

wink.gif I have heard that mroe than once biggrin.gif ..... Could the black level be improved on, you bet, not sayig that they couldnt, but to say that the "only" thing people care about when they get this TV is the brightness of it is ludacris.....Does the brightness make the set stand out, sure does so of coursee it will be talked about more....but hey what do I know I must have blinders on or something wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

If you dont see any problems dont "look" for them enjoy your set smile.gif sometimes ignorance can be bliss wink.gif
Most Plasmas have directional buzz, the amount can differ from set to set and by manufacturer......Some people are also more sensitive to the buzz plasmas produce and others may not hear anything at all......
Most plasma sets have a faint buzzing from the rear of the set. The only sets that have directional buzzing are Samsung and that has been eliminated from the 64F8500. At least in my case it has been. I can't hear any buzzing unless I stick my head behind the set and then there is a slight buzzing but it is very faint. Surprised that there are still reports of directional buzzing with the 8500's.
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

Haha by "adventurous" you mean mischievous. The reason for picking up the D7000 was because my old Sony LCD was knocked over by an out of control 4 year old daughter of my girlfriend's best friend. The whole time the kid was watching cartoons so that the adults could talk, she kept jumping up and poking the screen because she got excited over the programing. I was getting more and more nervous and my gf kept telling me not to be so paranoid. Kept telling me I loved my tv more than I loved her. I tried to keep it cool but then sure as ****, in slow motion I see her jump up, poke the tv until it leaned back enough to fall over on the the floor crushing the screen and smashing in to the wires behind the wall unit, which in turned pulled out all of my av equipment in a thunderous crash. The next sound I heard after the dust settled was the searing sound of a toddler screaming at the top of her lungs. The menace's mother then had the audacity to yell at me for having the equipment "precariously set up". She said I had a recipe for disaster and because I was so careless, I could have hurt her daughter...smh...man, I almost punched a 4 year old girl that night. Needless to say I'm overprotective these days...and also that girlfriend is now an ex.

I would have put her in the microwave at 'high' for about 2 minutes. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

Had some time with my fully calibrated set yesterday. The very first impression I had when I turned it on was one of slight disappointment. The PQ had lost just a bit of the punchiness it had right out of the box. I've had calibrated sets for the last five years or so, except for last year when I got the D7000. I had just never gotten around to calibrating it before it was replaced. For the last year I've been using an uncalibrated set using just Spears and Muncil as my calibrator. So going from that, then this set out of the box, to a perfectly calibrated set, I think most people would initially find the image a bit soft. Thankfully as I continued watching, I started noticing accurate whites, inky blacks, correct skin tones non buzzing vertical lines, no brightness pops for the first time in a year, basically all of the things you would expect from a well calibrated set. I turned the tv off at the end of the night without the slightest bit of buyers remorse. I absolutely love the PQ on this set. It's the best looking PQ I've ever owned and I couldn't be happier with it. I'm still waiting for Ken to send over my calibration report so I can share it (he did say he was immensely busy during this tour). Once he gets around to sending it over to me, I'll be sure to share it with the forum.

One thing I have to mention on the down side: my stand rocks and the more I look at it, the less comfortable I am with it. In order for it to be stable, I either have to lean the tv slightly back (not good for viewing angle) or lean it forward (not ideal for viewing angle and also it scares me that it could easily tip right over). There is no way for my tv to rest at a perfect 90 degree angle with the furniture it sits on. It's either resting at 105 degrees or 75 degrees relative to the furniture. It's almost as if they replaced left and right swivelability (is that a word?) with back and forth rockability (another made up word). I can't see how the delivery guys could have set the stand up incorrectly as I watched them do it. Also, I've seen a few other reports from owners on this thread of the same thing. I'm wondering if its a.) a defect in my stand that is pretty widespread. b.) a design flaw that is inherent in this model or c.) was the stand just put together incorrectly. I know some people also said that their stand didn't rock, but I think it's possible that they just didn't notice it since the tilt back or forth where it the tv rests isn't super noticable unless you walk up to the tv and actually try to rock it. Thoughts anyone?
My 64F8500 stand doesn't rock at all. It could be the stand it isn't level that the set sits on.
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Ken - So,...Is it safe to assume that Kevin's calibrations have been tweaked since his initial postings?

They were not as far as I know.
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