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post #1381 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

It's time to emphasize one clear point about the F8500...it offers the best picture quality of any tv...ever, at least at this moment in time. The only other tv that may rival it this year is the ZT60, it's the only other tv offering a unique panel design that may rival Samsung's super contrast panel. If removing the air layer from the plasma panel, as Panasonic has done with the ZT60, will result in as good, or an even better picture than the F8500 is unknown. The only information we have on that is from CES 2013 and I have not seen a single individual make a comparison between them, but...other than futuristic panels, the F8500 was the star of that show.

It's good to try to determine what issues the F8500 may have, but it's important not minimize the fact that it provides clarity and detail you have never seen before...a truly spectacular picture. Considering plasma picture quality has been pretty much stagnant for almost 10 years now, that's an incredibly wonderful feature : )

As I understand it, the bonded glass' prime benefit is to reduce the double image seen when viewing from extreme side angles with some material. This usually can be seen from the side during credits, but typically not too much elsewhere. If you look at your current display, are you aware of double images? I know I'm not. I'm not sure what the other benefits there may be (bit of an increase in brightness, better reflection control?). Really not sure. We'll find out before too long.
post #1382 of 11459
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Oh sure...now that you are sure the issue doesn't affect YOU, its time to move on right? rolleyes.gif

What a joke that Samsung can't figure out how to fix this simple issue. I'm done with them.

Has Ken ever said anything different? as far as I ahve seen he has always suggested a different set if any of the issues reported are bothersome to the user.....Ive seen him recommend the Elite, Sony 950 and 2013 Panasonics......

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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I have to smile to myself when people post that what ever they bought is the best car, tv, smarphone, ect. -- ever! I run into that on every car forum I've ever belonged to. Every subwoofer forum and so on. And then when I investigate what they owned prior to the "best" whatever -- it's usually something a few years old. Meaning just about anything with the latest tech will seem like the best ever.

Here's the deal about plasma -- the 9g and 9.5g Kuro was and is the best plasma ever. Backed by data and user reports.

Plasma is supposed to give a more film like experience which means to me -- softer and more natural. That has always been one of the big appeals of plasma over LCD. Samsung seems to have found a way to get LCD people excited about plasma but it's not the film like experience with a 3d perception that the Kuro gives.

I went to the Magnolia yesterday. The 8500 is physically impressive. I like the look of it. The guys there hadn't even fired it up. So we plugged it in, set it up and unfortunately they immediately the Mumford and Sons feed started running. Even with that feed I could see that it is bright and clear. I went into the menu and turned the optimizer on. Noticed that in movie mode they have contrast set at 100% by default.

I didn't go real deep into playing with it but it is indeed impressive. However I found ti to be too bright, too sharp, and some of the background images looked less than realistic to me. I went up & got got inches from the screen and saw in the black bars a lot of little popping flashing like molecule sized colored popcorn popping away. I'm not sure what that is and if it's anything to worry about but I looked at the black bars of my VT50 and saw no such activity.

The long and short of it that it is a wonderful TV and owners should be proud of their purchases -- but the Kuro hasn't been beat here imo -- unless you like LCD qualities in a TV.

Which is what I think they were trying to achive here, try to get a middle ground of sorts of both technologies wink.gif I know I wasnt expecting this to beat a Kuro, but I know some are on that search and hopefully the Zt60 meets that mark for them smile.gif
post #1383 of 11459
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Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

Does anyone use the OTA TV EPG guide? It is really sluggish slow when it looks for information but when it catches up its fast. When you change to smart hub or another input then go back to TV, the guide starts over again looking for information. Hopefully they update this also in the future to fix this. The guide is a nice feature for those that use OTA antenna.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Surfmlb, do you also use either a cable provider or satellite? If so, can't you use their guide info for the same channels? That would eliminate the lag. I know the guide on the 8500 is supposed to integrate very well with Directv. Not sure how that works, but that's what I've read.

Ken he could, but only if he has a coax connected into the back of the TV.....since the TV has to "download" the information OTA I believe its always going to be slower with OTA, vs using a Coax to get the information, it may not be a limitation of the Set but the speed at which it can aquire the information...what I think surf would like is sometype of "memory" of what it has already download so that when he goes back to the guide it retains the information in some type of memory\buffer instead of grabbing it "as new" each time.....
post #1384 of 11459
I come from 2 Kuros and a VT50 so I'm not the best judge of the 8500. Also, the Kuro has stood the test of time. They seemingly have a long life and low failure rate.
post #1385 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Has Ken ever said anything different? as far as I ahve seen he has always suggested a different set if any of the issues reported are bothersome to the user.....Ive seen him recommend the Elite, Sony 950 and 2013 Panasonics......
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That wasn't my point
post #1386 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I come from 2 Kuros and a VT50 so I'm not the best judge of the 8500. Also, the Kuro has stood the test of time. They seemingly have a long life and low failure rate.


In the end the only right TV is the one you like wink.gif we are all looking for something different which is why its great that we have what seem like a good selection of TVs that seem to be a "jump" rather then a step as far as previous generations go......
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I work at best buy and i've been looking into the f8500 for a week now.. Really debating on getting the 51"
Our store is not a MHT store, so i can't actually see it, though. Convinced a co-worker that was looking into getting a tv to get the 51f8500, and he did.

Currently own a LG 47LH90 (fully backlit LED... nasty trumotion 240hz though i hate that), it's going on 4 years... i know it's fine but for some reason i really want this new samsung.

Anyone think it would be worth the upgrade from my current tv?


I do have an xbox / ps3 hooked up, but built in smart features would be really nice, as the xbox seems to take AGES to start up. 3D would be kinda neat as well i suppose
post #1388 of 11459
What Id be interested in is reviews from folks that have actually purchased the set. If any owners have opinions/info, etc.

That would be great
post #1389 of 11459
Thread Starter 
^^^ You have a great set, plasma is totally different than LED. Plasma is a better technology, I feel.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

There's no getting away from the attraction of a 75" TV as opposed to a 64-65" display. But remember the 75" is edge lit and although I suspect it's still very good, it won't be as good, in some respects, as a full array LED or plasma. So if it's pure PQ you're after, you're probably still better off with a smaller plasma or full array LED. As always, until you get a chance to audition the 75" display yourself, you'll never really know for certain. Even if you do, chances are you won't get to do it in a darkened environment since most retailers have store lighting that's much too bright to really assess some of the important PQ aspects of a display.
Its beyond me why any one would pay so much for a edge lit LED, buy the Sharp 80" for over half the price ( Base model sharp is only $3,500 now ), or the Sharp 90" for the same price. Picture quality is about the same when comparing to a 75" over priced Samsung. Dealers promote the 75" Samsung because if they get list price they make a ton of cash. Some dealers choose to NOT fully educate there clientele so they can make more money on them.
Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 4/6/13 at 10:07am
post #1390 of 11459
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Originally Posted by steevo123 View Post

What Id be interested in is reviews from folks that have actually purchased the set. If any owners have opinions/info, etc.

That would be great

They are buried in this thread wink.gif I think most owners are enjoying thier set and not posting however.....If you take a look earlier in the thread you will see some owner reviews.....
post #1391 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Logan92 View Post

I work at best buy and i've been looking into the f8500 for a week now.. Really debating on getting the 51"
Our store is not a MHT store, so i can't actually see it, though. Convinced a co-worker that was looking into getting a tv to get the 51f8500, and he did.

Currently own a LG 47LH90 (fully backlit LED... nasty trumotion 240hz though i hate that), it's going on 4 years... i know it's fine but for some reason i really want this new samsung.

Anyone think it would be worth the upgrade from my current tv?


I do have an xbox / ps3 hooked up, but built in smart features would be really nice, as the xbox seems to take AGES to start up. 3D would be kinda neat as well i suppose

Looks like you have a great set, but I dont like to spend other peoples money wink.gif the only one who can determine if its worth the upgrade is you smile.gif youll ahve to see the set 1st hand and then determine if the set is worth it to you to upgrade.....If you let them people here will spend all of your money with "just a little more" biggrin.gif

The question is why do you want to upgrade if youre happy with your set? if youre happy with what you ahve continue to be happy, youll forever wonder year after year how much better could my set be if I got this or that model sometimes wink.gif just the crux of the upgradeitis bug tongue.gif
post #1392 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

In the end the only right TV is the one you like wink.gif we are all looking for something different which is why its great that we have what seem like a good selection of TVs that seem to be a "jump" rather then a step as far as previous generations go......

Right you are. Competition is good.
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Stand Question - I just got a 51f8500....so stand is attached...seem done right...question - there is a slight gap between the stand and the tv....there is a small peg on each side and ou can still see it...the stand seems to be fastened as tight as can be...does anyone else have this gap...same gap on both sides...stand does not seem like it could be seated any more securely? thanks

second question...using FIOS STB....on some HD channels...the picture is showing on the tv with black bars on the sides...as if it is 4:3 content...I have the FIOS box set to Stretch standard content...I have 1080 set for video...on the TV itself I have it set for 16:9 .... I tried wide and that does stretch that channel..but then when I go to a "good" HD channel...it is overstretched...any suggestions...thanks...gues I would like TV to automatically recognize 4:3 content and stretch it but not "harm" picture on good HD channels. Thanks.
post #1394 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jiholl5333 View Post

Stand Question - I just got a 51f8500....so stand is attached...seem done right...question - there is a slight gap between the stand and the tv....there is a small peg on each side and ou can still see it...the stand seems to be fastened as tight as can be...does anyone else have this gap...same gap on both sides...stand does not seem like it could be seated any more securely? thanks

second question...using FIOS STB....on some HD channels...the picture is showing on the tv with black bars on the sides...as if it is 4:3 content...I have the FIOS box set to Stretch standard content...I have 1080 set for video...on the TV itself I have it set for 16:9 .... I tried wide and that does stretch that channel..but then when I go to a "good" HD channel...it is overstretched...any suggestions...thanks...gues I would like TV to automatically recognize 4:3 content and stretch it but not "harm" picture on good HD channels. Thanks.

had same question re the gap! was beginning to think i had the left and right brackets mixed up.. without taking it all apart i don't know if they actually could fit incorrectly?? ie. left bracket in the right slot? right bracket in left slot? don't think so but confirmation would be appreciated!!
don't have fios so don't know that i can answer other question... other than if tv set to zoom it will be a bit overstretched to fill screen vs 16:9 will have black bars depending on station AND each particular show...
post #1395 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jiholl5333 View Post

Stand Question - I just got a 51f8500....so stand is attached...seem done right...question - there is a slight gap between the stand and the tv....there is a small peg on each side and ou can still see it...the stand seems to be fastened as tight as can be...does anyone else have this gap...same gap on both sides...stand does not seem like it could be seated any more securely? thanks

second question...using FIOS STB....on some HD channels...the picture is showing on the tv with black bars on the sides...as if it is 4:3 content...I have the FIOS box set to Stretch standard content...I have 1080 set for video...on the TV itself I have it set for 16:9 .... I tried wide and that does stretch that channel..but then when I go to a "good" HD channel...it is overstretched...any suggestions...thanks...gues I would like TV to automatically recognize 4:3 content and stretch it but not "harm" picture on good HD channels. Thanks.

Select Screen Fit on your TV as this will be the best 1:1 of what the source is providing......

maybe a picture of the gap would help others determine if its normal or something that wasnt done properly.....

EDIT:
Form pages 91/92 of the user manual:
16:9: Set the picture to the 16:9 wide-screen format.
●● Zoom1: Magnifies the 16:9 screen size to up and down. A magnified picture can be moved up
and down.
●● Zoom2: Magnifies the Zoom1 screen size to up and down. A magnified picture can be moved up
and down.
●● Wide Fit: Enlarge the aspect ratio of the picture so it fits the entire screen. Enjoy 4:3 images as
undistorted 16:9 images.
●● 4:3: Sets the picture to basic 4:3 mode.
[[ Do not leave the TV in 4:3 mode for an extended period. The dark borders displayed on the left
and right/top and bottom of the screen may cause image retention (screen burn). This is not
covered by the warranty. This mode is available for PDP TVs only.
●● Screen Fit: Displays the full image without any cutoff.
●● Smart View 1: Reduces a 16:9 picture by 50%. This mode is only available for LED TVs and in
HDMI mode.
●● Smart View 2: Reduces a 16:9 picture by 25%. This mode is only available for LED TVs and in
HDMI or DTV mode.
"" The Picture Size option is not available with images in the UHD resolution because the supported screen size is fixed.

The screen position can be adjusted if Picture Size is set to Zoom1, Zoom2, Wide Fit, or Screen Fit. In
DTV mode, the screen position cannot be adjusted if the Picture Size is set to Screen Fit.
111 To adjust the screen position, select Position and then Position from the popup window.
222 Drag on the touch pad to move the screen. Once done, select Position and then Close. Select
Reset to reset the screen position.
"" The Position option is not available with images in the UHD resolution because the supported screen size is
fixed.
Edited by Ph8te - 4/6/13 at 10:52am
post #1396 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

It's time to emphasize one clear point about the F8500...it offers the best picture quality of any tv...ever, at least at this moment in time. The only other tv that may rival it this year is the ZT60, it's the only other tv offering a unique panel design that may rival Samsung's super contrast panel. If removing the air layer from the plasma panel, as Panasonic has done with the ZT60, will result in as good, or an even better picture than the F8500 is unknown. The only information we have on that is from CES 2013 and I have not seen a single individual make a comparison between them, but...other than futuristic panels, the F8500 was the star of that show.

It's good to try to determine what issues the F8500 may have, but it's important not minimize the fact that it provides clarity and detail you have never seen before...a truly spectacular picture. Considering plasma picture quality has been pretty much stagnant for almost 10 years now, that's an incredibly wonderful feature : )

Well said, I couldn't agree more. The F8500 has the best picture that I have ever seen!!
post #1397 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Looks like you have a great set, but I dont like to spend other peoples money wink.gif the only one who can determine if its worth the upgrade is you smile.gif youll ahve to see the set 1st hand and then determine if the set is worth it to you to upgrade.....If you let them people here will spend all of your money with "just a little more" biggrin.gif

The question is why do you want to upgrade if youre happy with your set? if youre happy with what you ahve continue to be happy, youll forever wonder year after year how much better could my set be if I got this or that model sometimes wink.gif just the crux of the upgradeitis bug tongue.gif

This is true! I guess the main benefits would be a better picture quality (black levels on the LH90 are good, especially since it'd backlit, but there is still some blooming and things that would likely not be present on the f8500)... Also, it would be a smart TV, more of a convenience thing, 3d, much smaller bezel, slightly larger, and as a person who continuously pushes Plasma's over LEDs/LCDs, it would be nice to have what samsung is calling a "reference" level plasma.

But i need to decide if these benefits are worth the cost to me. The upgradeitis in me says heck yes, the rational person says no what you have is fine... Would I rather keep saving or just blow my money? First world problems! haha.
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I have to smile to myself when people post that what ever they bought is the best car, tv, smarphone, ect. -- ever! I run into that on every car forum I've ever belonged to. Every subwoofer forum and so on. And then when I investigate what they owned prior to the "best" whatever -- it's usually something a few years old. Meaning just about anything with the latest tech will seem like the best ever.

Here's the deal about plasma -- the 9g and 9.5g Kuro was and is the best plasma ever. Backed by data and user reports.

Plasma is supposed to give a more film like experience which means to me -- softer and more natural. That has always been one of the big appeals of plasma over LCD. Samsung seems to have found a way to get LCD people excited about plasma but it's not the film like experience with a 3d perception that the Kuro gives.

I went to the Magnolia yesterday. The 8500 is physically impressive. I like the look of it. The guys there hadn't even fired it up. So we plugged it in, set it up and unfortunately they immediately the Mumford and Sons feed started running. Even with that feed I could see that it is bright and clear. I went into the menu and turned the optimizer on. Noticed that in movie mode they have contrast set at 100% by default.

I didn't go real deep into playing with it but it is indeed impressive. However I found ti to be too bright, too sharp, and some of the background images looked less than realistic to me. I went up & got got inches from the screen and saw in the black bars a lot of little popping flashing like molecule sized colored popcorn popping away. I'm not sure what that is and if it's anything to worry about but I looked at the black bars of my VT50 and saw no such activity.

The long and short of it that it is a wonderful TV and owners should be proud of their purchases -- but the Kuro hasn't been beat here imo -- unless you like LCD qualities in a TV.

There is some truth to what you say about the collective desire to claim what you have recently purchased as "the best" but I don't think a quick look at Magnolia qualifies as a reasonable comparison to the Kuro either.
post #1399 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Logan92 View Post

This is true! I guess the main benefits would be a better picture quality (black levels on the LH90 are good, especially since it'd backlit, but there is still some blooming and things that would likely not be present on the f8500)... Also, it would be a smart TV, more of a convenience thing, 3d, much smaller bezel, slightly larger, and as a person who continuously pushes Plasma's over LEDs/LCDs, it would be nice to have what samsung is calling a "reference" level plasma.

But i need to decide if these benefits are worth the cost to me. The upgradeitis in me says heck yes, the rational person says no what you have is fine... Would I rather keep saving or just blow my money? First world problems! haha.

Buy a roku or AppleTV and your smartTV functions are taken care of wink.gif

Reference until next year comes around and there is a new reference wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Each tech has its pros & cons. I find motion judder on plasma worse than motion blurring on LED. I find viewing angle on LED far worse than on plasma. Brightness in general is much better on LED than plasma, but the F8500 is the first plasma to make that essentially a non-issue. I find sharpness of LED better than plasma, but again the F8500 has essentially eliminated that gap too. Many people find color more saturated on plasma than LED, but I haven't found that on a high quality LED.

Thanks Ken. So in other words, the F8500 seems to bring in some of LED qualities like more sharpness and brightness, while high quality LEDs have the same saturated colors as a plasma, and they seem to get close to plasma black levels. Did I get that right? If so, it seems to me there is not much difference between the two technologies anymore, except for how they handle motion... so I could as well just get a large LED. Please correct me if I am wrong. While I am anything but a videophile, I still tend to buy the best PQ I can get. Just makes me feel better biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ You have a great set, plasma is totally different than LED. Plasma is a better technology, I feel.
Its beyond me why any one would pay so much for a edge lit LED, buy the Sharp 80" for over half the price ( Base model sharp is only $3,500 now ), or the Sharp 90" for the same price. Picture quality is about the same when comparing to a 75" over priced Samsung. Dealers promote the 75" Samsung because if they get list price they make a ton of cash. Some dealers choose to NOT fully educate there clientele so they can make more money on them.

Interesting. See, the reviews about the F8000 just got me interested in looking into LEDs. If you say there are even larger displays with the same PQ at half the price, I will look into it. I am not a brand loyalist. Actually, I couldn't care less about the brand sticker - all I care about is quality. Which Sharp models should I look at specifically? The elite series?

And while we are at it... full array LEDs are probably way more expensive, I guess?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by chrisinwpg View Post

I'm thinking of returning this set that I just bought 5 days ago. I've tried tweaking all the settings and I just can't get rid of these totally annoying flashes of light. These flashes mainly occur in bright scenes (and not just when the main on-screen colour is predominantly white either). I notice a lot of motion judder too.

Can you jot down your settings?
post #1402 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Airgas, I believe Kevin got a very slightly lower MLL for the 60". I don't think it would enough to really be seen. Certainly when I was at VE and we had both the 60 & 64 running the same BD, we saw absolutely no visible difference.

Ken, I'm only guessing it's possibly even lower for the MLL based on reports from the owner of the ChadB calibrated 64" set. He had said that black bars on film were not blending in completely with the bezel, while I think surfmlb had stated that he couldn't tell where the bezel began or ended on his 51". Obviously, there's a LOT of leeway here based on one person's eyes on one set and another person's eyes on another set, but Kevin's measurements have me thinking that this could indeed be the case. Can't go wrong either way, though. This is the most impressive plasma I've ever seen, and this is coming from a 9.5G Kuro owner smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I couldn't agree more Halimali. This so reminds me of the infamous 'cyan issue' with the Sharp Elite. Here was a stunning panel, with tremendous reviews and once the word of the cyan error got out (and I hold myself at least partly responsible for that), we had endless pages of the 'cyan error'. Endless. Never mind that no owner could actually see it or if they did see it, probably wouldn't even know they were seeing it. But this so distracted from the other superb qualities of that display, that it really got, as you put it, 'boring'.

The same is true here. Here is a stunning display, but we seem to be focusing on one issue, and one issue only. If this issue really bothers you, just get a different display. Go for a VT60, wait for the ZT60 or get some other nice panel. In 2013 there aren't a shortage of those. But the endless dwelling on this, I think we've beaten it to death. I'm really not sure what more can be said. Some see it, some don't, some see it only very occasionally.

Thank you Ken, this is exactly what I want to say too, that if you have a problem with the brightness fluctuations you can go for some other TV. But making a big problem out of a small issue that god knows how many times it would happen is just not something practical. My only concern is that this might affect people on choosing a good display. I was scared when read posts about it and thought it was the end of the world 😜. But thanks to the video and the assurance of many owners. So hockey guys with super sensitive eyes look for some other plasmas or better a LED TV.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I do agree that people shouldn't assume the manufacturer will fix an issue,)


Says Ken, remembering when the tech said there would be a firmware fix out in less than a month.....
in September, 2011, still waiting.... lolololololol
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Oh sure...now that you are sure the issue doesn't affect YOU, its time to move on right? rolleyes.gif

What a joke that Samsung can't figure out how to fix this simple issue. I'm done with them.

I'm glad that you yourself said it that it is a SIMPLE ISSUE.
It is not about you, me or Ken only. It's about everybody. We are not saying to ignore it, but if you think it is affecting you in a major way then its better to inform Samsung about it or return the set. We don't want people to be scared of something which you have named it as a simple issue.
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Says Ken, remembering when the tech said there would be a firmware fix out in less than a month.....
in September, 2011, still waiting.... lolololololol

From what I hear the are aware of it and a fix is "just around the corner" wink.gif never give up never surrender...
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Originally Posted by funkahdafi View Post

Thanks Ken. So in other words, the F8500 seems to bring in some of LED qualities like more sharpness and brightness, while high quality LEDs have the same saturated colors as a plasma, and they seem to get close to plasma black levels. Did I get that right? If so, it seems to me there is not much difference between the two technologies anymore, except for how they handle motion... so I could as well just get a large LED. Please correct me if I am wrong. While I am anything but a videophile, I still tend to buy the best PQ I can get. Just makes me feel better biggrin.gif
Interesting. See, the reviews about the F8000 just got me interested in looking into LEDs. If you say there are even larger displays with the same PQ at half the price, I will look into it. I am not a brand loyalist. Actually, I couldn't care less about the brand sticker - all I care about is quality. Which Sharp models should I look at specifically? The elite series?

And while we are at it... full array LEDs are probably way more expensive, I guess?

Thanks!

Well the F8500 has the black level of plasmas not "close to"....There are differnt levels of "black" MLL etc within the plasma market, many people in these forums are looking for soemthing to be the much talked about Kuro Plasma, which this set does not, but comes "close" (and close is a relative term since some will see it as a wide canyon and others will see it as not that far away)......

What is your budget, in most cases you WILL pay more for an LCD TV that is of simillar size than a Plasma and yes an LCD with Full backlit array will be more expensive....

In the end it comes down for whats the best PQ for you wink.gif there are many that prefer the look of LCD and will take it over an Plasma as well as vice versa.....What are you looking for in a TV once we know it will be easier for us to help steer you in the right direction...In the end the only real way to determine this is to go and see the sets for yourself....
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post


So yeah I am going to investigate and talk about the issue as much as I need to before I go and spend $3000 on a TV!

That is what these forums are for. If you don't like it just ignore it.

I appreciate all the effort that some of you have put into investigating this issue.

I agree, everyone needs to research any display before plunking down large amounts of cash. But WattheF, I'm really not meaning to be flip here, but you've seen the issue, are really bothered by it and have decided it makes the set unwatchable for you. So what's the point in any further consideration on this display? I certainly wouldn't buy it hoping for a firmware update to address it. You can't bank on that.

From what I've seen, the Cal Day mode cures it, but you've heard that before. I don't know what settings are eliminating the issue within the Cal Day mode and even if you were planning to buy the display and not get it calibrated, you can't assume the issue will go away.

Although I've seen the issue and confirmed it for my own edification, where you and I have had radically different experiences is in the frequency of the occurrence and our perception of the magnitude when it does occur. In terms of the frequency of seeing it, if I had never seen it, then someone could make a valid point saying 'you don't know what to look for'. But since I have seen it and do know what to look for, it's not that I'm not recognizing the issue. You even claimed the video did not show the severity of what you've seen and yet what was depicted in the video was almost exactly the magnitude of what I've seen. So if there are actually worse occurrences, I surely would have seen them had they occurred on the displays I've seen.

So why you and I (and apparently many others) are having this wide disparity in the 'sighting frequency' (for lack of a better phrase wink.gif), I have no idea. It makes me scratch my head and I'd love to know the answer. confused.gif

But I think for what you're looking for, wouldn't the Panasonic 60 series be a better fit for you?
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Oh sure...now that you are sure the issue doesn't affect YOU, its time to move on right? rolleyes.gif

What a joke that Samsung can't figure out how to fix this simple issue. I'm done with them.

It's only time to move on when we've discussed this one issue for many pages. We've identified the issue. We're in disagreement as to how often it's seen or the magnitude of it when it is seen. We've identified that a few people are very bothered by it. We've identified that most people aren't bothered by it. We know, at least in the Kevin Miller calibrated display, that Cal Day mode cures it. We don't know if a fix for it will occur, but we agree it's best to assume it won't.

We've discussed these same points over and over and over. I myself have made multiple trips to VE and Magnolias to first see the issue and see how it impacts my viewing. I never once attempted to hide the issue, quite the contrary. I'm a firm believer in finding out the facts. I saw the problem and IMO, relative to the whole ABL thing in plasmas (which I don't like and think LED scores a major advantage in that arena), determined it's not a big deal for me. You've determined it is a big deal for you.

So what more can be said on this topic? Honestly, what good will it do? It's not the display for you, that's clear and there's nothing wrong with that. Until this year, I wasn't willing to move back to plasmas. For me, plasmas were not the potentially correct choice again until this year. We all make choices. I could express my dislike for ABL until I'm blue in the face and guess what, ABL will still be there. It is what it is and I have to determine if I can live with ABL in any plasma and then make my choice.
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See, the reviews about the F8000 just got me interested in looking into LEDs. If you say there are even larger displays with the same PQ at half the price, I will look into it. I am not a brand loyalist. Actually, I couldn't care less about the brand sticker - all I care about is quality. Which Sharp models should I look at specifically? The elite series? And while we are at it... full array LEDs are probably way more expensive, I guess?
Thanks!

Sharp LC-80LE632U and LC-80LE844U. The best LED's are the Sony XBR-65HX950 and XBR-55HX950, these are the only current Local Dimming Units left. The Sharp Elites are pretty much gone forever except in the 60" size.......Keep in mind that the XBR's are the only units close to plasma grade.......
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