or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › Official Samsung PNxxF8500 Series Discussion Thread [No Street Price Talk]
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Samsung PNxxF8500 Series Discussion Thread [No Street Price Talk] - Page 58

post #1711 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

I think I figured out how to do it. Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRzx-7-Gjo

what am i looking at. are you talking about that white line that appears then fades do you think it may be lights from a camera as they take a 6 second pan???
post #1712 of 11461
Has anyone with a new F8500 noticed after turning off your tv there's an intermittent sound coming from it that I can best describe as a small bird chirp? I know it's probably the circuitry cooling down, but I can hear this completely intermittent "chirp" for up to an hour after turning off the tv. I've never heard this before with any of my prior tvs during the cool down after power off.
post #1713 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Has anyone with a new F8500 noticed after turning off your tv there's an intermittent sound coming from it that I can best describe as a small bird chirp? I know it's probably the circuitry cooling down, but I can hear this completely intermittent "chirp" for up to an hour after turning off the tv. I've never heard this before with any of my prior tvs during the cool down after power off.

Did you forget to feed it bird seeds? Its in the manual. J/K biggrin.gif I haven't heard any chirps with mine.
post #1714 of 11461
Here's another short video that may help. Sorry for the crappy quality, it's a cell phone video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXGTLqc3cA
post #1715 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

I think I figured out how to do it. Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRzx-7-Gjo
That definitely is a problem. My banding is much wider than that but is also very faint. It isn't as noticeable as yours. It is pretty safe to say your panel is defective. You did the right thing by getting an exchange.
post #1716 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

Have you gone into the user settings? Turn OFF the digital cable box (not the TV) and then immediately press MENU on the digital cable box remote. An on-screen picture settings list will appear on your TV. I have format set to 1080i only so it doesnt change resolutions when changing channels. Not sure If yours has any other settings that may affect the HDMI feature but worth a look.

Maybe try another brand HDMI cable?

Yes i tried that, also checked HDMI 2 (Samsung blu-ray) and HDMI black level is greyed out in both instances.. I'm stumped smile.gif
post #1717 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Well, I guess the real question that remains is whether or not banding is a native problem of plasma panels as was suggested by the poster a few posts up. I've certainly never heard of this and, as I said, my 42" Sony plasma did not exhibit any light bands at all. This is a deal breaker issue for me so I'd appreciate any reply relevant to this that you (or others) can offer.

I have no banding, nothing, Nada, zip.... Just for reference I have the 51F8500...



EDIT; missed your video before posting above reply, holy crap that's definitely a problem and something I've never seen, heck I'd be in my car right now getting a replacement.. Sorry you have to go through it but sadly not every product no matter what it is be it TVs, audio or as simple clock radio has a bad apple, we are taking thousands of TVs bring manufactured but damn this TV is worth it, incredible PQ...
Day 4 and I'm still WOWed
Edited by Pinger - 4/8/13 at 10:30am
post #1718 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Here's another short video that may help. Sorry for the crappy quality, it's a cell phone video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXGTLqc3cA

Def not normal, while it could be a cable connection (bad HDMI\possible interference) it looks like you got a pad panel (it does happen) I did not see this at all on the set I saw in Magnolia...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Yes i tried that, also checked HDMI 2 (Samsung blu-ray) and HDMI black level is greyed out in both instances.. I'm stumped smile.gif

Make sure your Blu-ray has the correct output settings as well. I believe Larry said it needs to be RGB otherwise HDMI black level will be greyed out...
post #1719 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

Did you forget to feed it bird seeds? Its in the manual. J/K biggrin.gif I haven't heard any chirps with mine.

Feed the bird LOL OR close your Windows.

smile.gif
post #1720 of 11461
Samsung has "submitted" my exchange recommendation for approval on my 59D7000. No clue why it apparently takes 5-7 days to finally get approved but sounded like the guy was 99% sure it would be approved after my 2 repairs.

According to my discussion with Best Buy it should cost me about $600 to upgrade the exchange to the 60F8500. I hope this goes smoothly and that I don't have any further issues. Samsung customer service has actually been very good I just wish they could respond to these requests a bit quicker. Seems like it will be close to 2 weeks from my initial submission before Best Buy has any record of my exchange confirmation.
post #1721 of 11461
I have to agree that the picture quality on this set is really nice. Too bad I have the brightness pops that sounds like it is worse then what others see. It is very distracting and I see it in all kinds of programming, which is why I have to send the set back. If the ZT60 is the reference quality tv that it is being advertised at and comes in slightly better then the 8500, I can't wait to see it's picture quality.

I'd also like to add that the hockey clip from earlier is exactly what I see, just much worse. That was a short clip with the pop only happening once. I have a 20 second clip on my PVR that pops 8 times. Mine does it in the corners and when play gets to center ice. Still have the tv so tried watching a game on it on the weekend, gave up after 5 minutes. Too many pops in such a short time.

3d experience for those asking - 3d is good, but there is crosstalk easily noticed on this set. And sometimes the glasses or signal don't sync for 3d. I tried a movie the other day and the 3d looked very odd and gave my a headache. Turned off the player and tried again, just the tv wouldn't pick up video from the player. Had to wait for the disc to load a third time before switching sources. Then the 3d still looked weird. Had to switch inputs and go back again for it to sync properly. And I noticed more crosstalk then on the VT50. Couldn't figure out how to clear that up.
Edited by mark_b - 4/8/13 at 11:03am
post #1722 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elvamir View Post

Will change this up with some other topics, to keep things interesting. ;-)

Day 5 and LOVE my 64F8500!!! Best set I've ever owned, a grand slam by Samsung in my opinion. Watched my first 3d today, Amazing Spider-Man, and it killed. (I'm running Kevin Miller's Movie 3D settings for now until I get my set calibrated in a couple weeks.)

Only small nuisance so far is that I was looking forward to Skype for the family using the app on smart TV but the camera is so high up on the 64, especially with the TV sitting in a stand, it can't see my couch! No way to adjust the angle that I can find, which is a bad design. What about people that hang their TV on the wall? But anyway, not that big a deal, I paid for the picture first and foremost.

If the F8500 camera is like the one on the ES8000, then there should be a little scroll wheel directly behind the camera when it pops up. The wheel rolls horizontally, but actually raises and lowers the camera angle vertically. Note: the wheel most likely comes from the factory with a bit of tape over it, so, until you peel it off, you may not even realize it's there.

Re: your 3D experience. Can you comment about the level of crosstalk, if any? Thanks!
post #1723 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Here's another short video that may help. Sorry for the crappy quality, it's a cell phone video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXGTLqc3cA

That should be a defect. If it is also visible while you run the scrolling pattern, than definitely it is.

The Band(s) I talked about are also wider and could not be captured by film or photocamera.
post #1724 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

I think I figured out how to do it. Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRzx-7-Gjo

Wow, that's clearly a panel defect. Almost looks like a few rows of pixels giving up. The good news is that this is clearly a malfunction of the panel (assuming it's not a bad HDMI cable which given the symptom, isn't likely) and your replacement should be free of this issue.
post #1725 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

I have to agree that the picture quality on this set is really nice. Too bad I have the brightness pops that sounds like it is worse then what others see. It is very distracting and I see it in all kinds of programming, which is why I have to send the set back. If the ZT60 is the reference quality tv that it is being advertised at and comes in slightly better then the 8500, I can't wait to see it's picture quality.

I'd also like to add that the hockey clip from earlier is exactly what I see, just much worse. That was a short clip with the pop only happening once. I have a 20 second clip on my PVR that pops 8 times. Mine does it in the corners and when play gets to center ice. Still have the tv so tried watching a game on it on the weekend, gave up after 5 minutes. Too many pops in such a short time..
I watched the hockey game on nbc yesterday, and the only annoying thing to me were the camera flashes. The 2 small increments in brightness when the camera pans to the rink corners, IMO, is completely over shadowed by all the camera pops/flashes, which light up the entire screen. Seriously! It's like the whole screen goes white for a few hundred milliseconds. I have a dvr, and replayed the flash back and was able to pause on a camera flash...the entire screen lights up brightly...... I really wish we could see what you're seeing on your tv while watching hockey. ??
Edited by DanF8500 - 4/8/13 at 11:25am
post #1726 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

That definitely is a problem. My banding is much wider than that but is also very faint. It isn't as noticeable as yours. It is pretty safe to say your panel is defective. You did the right thing by getting an exchange.

Yeah, I suspect yours is more indicative of typical banding. His is clearly a defect and really looks like a row or rows of malfunctioning pixels. I'm not saying that's what it is, but that's the appearance it gives.
post #1727 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Yes i tried that, also checked HDMI 2 (Samsung blu-ray) and HDMI black level is greyed out in both instances.. I'm stumped smile.gif

Check and see if it's blacked out while a blu-ray is playing. My VT50 has certain features greyed out but active when in use.
post #1728 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soopermario View Post

That should be a defect. If it is also visible while you run the scrolling pattern, than definitely it is.

The Band(s) I talked about are also wider and could not be captured by film or photocamera.

What you are referring to is due to a nonuniform response to the priming pulse and is only visible (to me) in a pitch black room with 0% input to the display. I can pick out a very slightly brighter ~6" vertical by 1/2 the screen width horizontal band. It only appeared after I had adjusted the panel voltages and may or may not be relevant to 2013 models.
post #1729 of 11461
this is what the new 2013 says about The Smart Evolution Port it allows you to update your Smart TV in the future. The Smart Evolution Kit* plugs into the back of your TV and updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features.
so when it says updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features i hope that its the same for the 2012 E8000 tv's lets hope. I take that to meen it improves the TV Performance as being better PQ like the new F8500.
post #1730 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Here's another short video that may help. Sorry for the crappy quality, it's a cell phone video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXGTLqc3cA

Does it do it when you use the system/screen protection/scrolling feature?
post #1731 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

this is what the new 2013 says about The Smart Evolution Port it allows you to update your Smart TV in the future. The Smart Evolution Kit* plugs into the back of your TV and updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features.
so when it says updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features i hope that its the same for the 2012 E8000 tv's lets hope. I take that to meen it improves the TV Performance as being better PQ like the new F8500.

The smart evo kit when applied to es8000 models from last year will give them a quad core processer and updated menus and a new remote for $300
post #1732 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Yes i tried that, also checked HDMI 2 (Samsung blu-ray) and HDMI black level is greyed out in both instances.. I'm stumped smile.gif

I checked mine with cable box turned either off or on and it wasnt greyed out but definitely greyed out when I unplugged hdmi cable box.
Not sure If it matters, but are using high speed hdmi cables?
post #1733 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

this is what the new 2013 says about The Smart Evolution Port it allows you to update your Smart TV in the future. The Smart Evolution Kit* plugs into the back of your TV and updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features.
so when it says updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features i hope that its the same for the 2012 E8000 tv's lets hope. I take that to meen it improves the TV Performance as being better PQ like the new F8500.

no! f8500 is new cell structure. evo kit will not change actual cell structure..... which is what gives f8500 its unique PQ qualities
post #1734 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

this is what the new 2013 says about The Smart Evolution Port it allows you to update your Smart TV in the future. The Smart Evolution Kit* plugs into the back of your TV and updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features.
so when it says updates it with new software and technology that will improve your TV performance - faster speed, more content, more features i hope that its the same for the 2012 E8000 tv's lets hope. I take that to meen it improves the TV Performance as being better PQ like the new F8500.

At least form my understanding the upgrades are solely with the quadcore proc and new Smarrt TV interface.....You are not going to see improvements to get you "close" to the F8500 as it uses a different cell structure and I believe (filter and panel).....There is only so much you can improve with upgrading the pack wink.gif
post #1735 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

At least form my understanding the upgrades are solely with the quadcore proc and new Smarrt TV interface.....You are not going to see improvements to get you "close" to the F8500 as it uses a different cell structure and I believe (filter and panel).....There is only so much you can improve with upgrading the pack wink.gif

the new evolution kit will replace the duel core processer thats in the E8000 to quad core that will be on the kit itself. but i do understand about the cell structure of the TV but it will up the performance of last years E8000. the only reason i'm going to get the kit is my TV is only a year old and it's not in my budget right now i'll upgrade in 2014
post #1736 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

the new evolution kit will replace the duel core processer thats in the E8000 to quad core that will be on the kit itself. but i do understand about the cell structure of the TV but it will up the performance of last years E8000. the only reason i'm going to get the kit is my TV is only a year old and it's not in my budget right now i'll upgrade in 2014

That is correct you will go from dual core to quad core as well as get a new interface for Smart TV......I jsut dont want you to think that youll be upgrading the picture in any major way wink.gif ........If you are happy with your current TV the Evolution Kit serves as a nice little upgrade to a set you already like, nothing wrong with holding off smile.gif
post #1737 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

That is correct you will go from dual core to quad core as well as get a new interface for Smart TV......I jsut dont want you to think that youll be upgrading the picture in any major way wink.gif ........If you are happy with your current TV the Evolution Kit serves as a nice little upgrade to a set you already like, nothing wrong with holding off smile.gif
thanks for your comment and yes I'm very happy with my PN60E8000. so when i get the kit i'll play around with it and that should satisfy my upgrade bug for now smile.gif
post #1738 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

Does it do it when you use the system/screen protection/scrolling feature?

Yes, it's still visible while that is running.
post #1739 of 11461
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenland View Post

The line looks like it might be some sort of electrical interference or perhaps a defective cable? Have you spare HDMI cables at hand, that you can try swapping out, one at a time, or perhaps even disconnecting everything except an OTA signal, to see if it is a defect with the panel or something being caused by a bad connection?

I don't think it's a defective HDMI as the line is visible with my DVD input which uses a different HDMI cable and when performing the "scroll cleanup" (which is entirely internal to the set).

Anyway, another unit is on its way so we'll hope for a better outcome this time. Thanks for the suggestions though.
post #1740 of 11461
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Yup, that's me!
Look at that, a star was born biggrin.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › Official Samsung PNxxF8500 Series Discussion Thread [No Street Price Talk]