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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

We fixate so on the issues, we forget to watch the content.
I have a hard time focusing on anything but the content. rolleyes.gif
post #1802 of 11459
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

i plugged in kevins movie mode settings on my week old broken in 51".... so far (havent view a lot of varied content yet) it looks SAWEEEEEET!!! or should i say dude Wicked gnarly !! wink.gifwink.gif

so at least on my panel his settings (much appreciation to kevin for that info) transfered over rather well. Stoaked! lol

(sorry, had to do it!)




Those are the post-break-in celebrated settings Miller did on the 60. They haven't released anysettings on the 64 or 51, but would think their similar.

Yes, many thanks to Kevin for sharing on tweaktv. I started with Kevin Millers movie settings and tweaked a little from there. The result is a live Beauty.


*Yea were not santa clara,cal or mass., were from maine, the great white north.

It's movie time, call the pizza man.
post #1803 of 11459
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Originally Posted by mark_b View Post

I have to agree that the picture quality on this set is really nice. Too bad I have the brightness pops that sounds like it is worse then what others see. It is very distracting and I see it in all kinds of programming, which is why I have to send the set back. If the ZT60 is the reference quality tv that it is being advertised at and comes in slightly better then the 8500, I can't wait to see it's picture quality.

I'd also like to add that the hockey clip from earlier is exactly what I see, just much worse. That was a short clip with the pop only happening once. I have a 20 second clip on my PVR that pops 8 times. Mine does it in the corners and when play gets to center ice. Still have the tv so tried watching a game on it on the weekend, gave up after 5 minutes. Too many pops in such a short time.

3d experience for those asking - 3d is good, but there is crosstalk easily noticed on this set. And sometimes the glasses or signal don't sync for 3d. I tried a movie the other day and the 3d looked very odd and gave my a headache. Turned off the player and tried again, just the tv wouldn't pick up video from the player. Had to wait for the disc to load a third time before switching sources. Then the 3d still looked weird. Had to switch inputs and go back again for it to sync properly. And I noticed more crosstalk then on the VT50. Couldn't figure out how to clear that up.

Interesting. In my experience with this set, the 3D is stunning with only a very sleight few identifiable instances across multiple films (even in Hugo). It's superior to the e7000/8000 LCDs (highly praised for their 3d performance) in this regard with far better quality on dark backgrounds when watching 3d. It's virtually crosstallk free from what I've seen thus far (no crosstalk whatsoever in Prometheus - which OMG looks amazing on this set...just amazing)

Also, my glasses sync very reliably and I've had no issues at all. Works as well or better than my e7500 did. 2D-3D conversion works rather well too.

The 3D experience on this set, even in daytime viewing, is nothing short of awesome IMO.

Also, for anyone wondering, the set also produces buttery smooth images with Judder cancellation set to Standard. I was hoping it would provide this kind of smooth, judder-free picture and it does. "Smooth" mode seems to take it to full-on SOE look if you like that for any particular material. But "Standard" seems to be dialed in very nicely for a great balance of smooth motion and pans while maintaining a natural, yet life-like look. To me, it's pretty much right-on what I would have set it to had it had more granular control as the LCDs equipped with AMS do.
Edited by endlessender - 4/9/13 at 12:58am
post #1804 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Originally Posted by Pinger

+1
Same here, coming from years of LCDs it is a bit of a different look then my eyes were accustomed to but I adjusted to it after very little time..
Hate to bring up that poor beaten horse again but I need a little a little clarification about the" pops", are you guys talking of a bright "pop" of light or as Wizz called it '"pulsing/flicker''?? I've never seen the pops but I have seen "pulsing/flicker'' which I was able to eliminate via settings..
Pinger & Ross,
What settings did you do exactly that helped lower the 'brightness pops/flicker'? Ive read thousands of post the last 3 wks & have heard what everyone has said... Im not having a pro calibrator done, so unless theres a way to get to this day-cal mode, Im only able to try the 'which I was able to eliminate via setting' to get rid of the brightness pops/full-page flicker.

I have tryed everything anyone has said to help the pops & the only thing that seems to help is to have the cell light at 10 & too have the black settings on. There are a lot less pops with it at 10.
Thanks for reply-ing

I'm sorry to have confused some of you. My post was intended as an "inside joke" for Ken. The "pulsing/flicker" was an issue specific to the Sharp Elite LCD. The brightness pops people are reporting on the Samsung plasma are an entirely different problem.

Are the pops on the F8500 only in bright scenes or also in regular dimly lit indoor content? The older D series had it pretty bad, even in non-hockey indoor scenes. It was even covered by Cnet:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57318845-221/reports-of-pops-peeling-on-samsung-plasmas-explored-update/

I can't find a good video of it but it looked similar to 2011 Panasonic FBR pops before they released a firmware fix.

Before fix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBE2AMoPf1o

After fix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUBwJNeppY

Does the F8500 have this problem or is the issue only in bright hockey, snow, skies, etc.?

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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

I think I figured out how to do it. Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRzx-7-Gjo

Your set is defective. I've seen this happen on other plasmas (both Samsung and Panasonic). Just get it exchanged and this issue should be resolved.
post #1805 of 11459
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Originally Posted by savagexp View Post

My 60F8500 just arrived this afternoon. I received it directly from Samsung as a replacement for my old 59D8000. At first blush, the things I notice about it are:

[*] A MUCH softer buzz
[*] No FBr!
[*] A lot brighter
[*] Really great blacks
[*] An actually usable Smart Hub


I am quite happy with this upgrade. While I haven't watched much yet on it, what I have watched has looked quite good with minimal settings adjustments. After a decent break-in period on Movie mode, I'll play some more with the settings. For anybody on the fence, GET THIS SET.

There's a buzz??? tongue.gif
I forgot there might be a buzz issue with plasmas/this TV but have to say my 51F8500 has no buzz what so ever and I have over 70 hours of break-in...
Blacks are incredible, coming from a Samsung lcd I can't believe blacks can be this good, not to mention no more cloudy blacks, for that matter no more flashlighting or non-uniform lighting at all...
Damn now I know why you guys love plasma over led/lcds, now when I see LCDs THEY look not so realistic, especially faces(weird I know but when there is up close shots of someone's face it just looks SOOO much better then my old "top of the line" LCD..
I have to add when I saw the F8500 in person in the shop it looked great but the WOW factor didn't kick in until I got it home, but I have to say the sunlight was beaming into Roberts shop when I was there and even Wendy noted how nice it looked with the direct sunlight coming in and I agreed and thought to myself what's this going to look like in a dark room?? answer=AMAZING!!!

My set will have 100 +hours on it tomorrow so I'd love to see some of my fellow F8500s settings, its amazing how much one changed setting can make a big difference.. diggin this TV biggrin.gif
post #1806 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I haven't seen a single instance of this at all. We have enough owners that I'm sure can comment on whether they've seen it or not.

My PN64F8500 was delivered on March 28th. I ran D-Nice's slides over the Easter weekend (since I was away, I figured, why not?). Anyway, when I initially viewed the set, I did notice brightness fluctuations in the background when watching cable. I had all "enhancements" turned off except for black optimizer was set to Dark Room. What cured this issue for me was reducing the cell light from 16-17 to 15 (increasing it to 20 also worked).

Anyway, the picture on this set is now stunning!! I watched Blade Runner last weekend (a film I've seen at least 40 times in theatre, on VHS, laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray) and the picture was fantastic.

As far as fluctuating black bars, I have never seen this issue.

SJA
post #1807 of 11459
How is the IR on these sets?

Im going to be in the Market for a 60"+ TV soon and I have never owned a plasma but do know they are prone to it. I have been done to game for up to 6 hour sessions. If I do go plasma, I wont game on it for the first 100 hours though.
post #1808 of 11459
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Originally Posted by SJA05 View Post

My PN64F8500 was delivered on March 28th. I ran D-Nice's slides over the Easter weekend (since I was away, I figured, why not?). Anyway, when I initially viewed the set, I did notice brightness fluctuations in the background when watching cable. I had all "enhancements" turned off except for black optimizer was set to Dark Room. What cured this issue for me was reducing the cell light from 16-17 to 15 (increasing it to 20 also worked).

Anyway, the picture on this set is now stunning!! I watched Blade Runner last weekend (a film I've seen at least 40 times in theatre, on VHS, laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray) and the picture was fantastic.

As far as fluctuating black bars, I have never seen this issue.

SJA

I think we have had at least a couple of reports where the issue was resolved when the cell light was not at a certain number.
post #1809 of 11459
Regarding Kevin Miller's comments on the cinema smooth processing ... are a lot of owners seeing the judder he apparently gets with it on?

I bought the 51" for my bedroom recently, quickly decided it wasn't big enough and got the 60" (now thinking about trading up to the 64") so still putting some hours on it before doing anything other than a few quick setting tweaks but I think cinema smooth looks great with bd content being fed to the tv at the proper frame rate. I personally can't watch it with either of the judder canceler modes engaged without feeling like I'm having a bad flashback so I'm definitely not someone that likes things that look artificially enhanced but I think cinema smooth looks very natural and 'filmy'.

All of my systems are being fed from a central server and fairly high performance htpc hardware with madvr as my renderer (which, when properly configured, is supposed to be about as good as it gets for getting frame/refresh rate dead on) so maybe that has something to do with it.

I have the Elite PRO-70X5FD in my 'big' system and think I like the motion handling on it a little better but the Samsung is pretty darn close. When I first saw the F8500 in person it was at the Crutchfield store in town right after they'd set it up. Not sure how they had it set at the time but did notice some fairly bad judder there (picture was still awesome enough that it got the wheels turning about upgrading the bedroom tv though) so I have seen it. Just not with my config.
post #1810 of 11459
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I think we have had at least a couple of reports where the issue was resolved when the cell light was not at a certain number.

Just another reason why I can see a firmware update fix for this...
post #1811 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Just another reason why I can see a firmware update fix for this...

If it can be improved or fixed, I definitely believe we will see a firmware update. It might even require a board replacement as was the case with the 2011 Panasonics and its fluctuating brightness issue. I am just speculating here as I do not know what is the exact cause. But, I believe Samsung wants to keep the reviews on this display as positive as possible as it got so much attention/hype and not have any glaring issue with the formidable heavyweights VT60 and ZT60 lurking around the corner. Forums like this can spread fire fast if not controlled.
post #1812 of 11459
Plasma does have some judder...sounds like you LCD/led guys just are not used to it.
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Originally Posted by RobBeamer View Post

Regarding Kevin Miller's comments on the cinema smooth processing ... are a lot of owners seeing the judder he apparently gets with it on?

I bought the 51" for my bedroom recently, quickly decided it wasn't big enough and got the 60" (now thinking about trading up to the 64") so still putting some hours on it before doing anything other than a few quick setting tweaks but I think cinema smooth looks great with bd content being fed to the tv at the proper frame rate. I personally can't watch it with either of the judder canceler modes engaged without feeling like I'm having a bad flashback so I'm definitely not someone that likes things that look artificially enhanced but I think cinema smooth looks very natural and 'filmy'.

All of my systems are being fed from a central server and fairly high performance htpc hardware with madvr as my renderer (which, when properly configured, is supposed to be about as good as it gets for getting frame/refresh rate dead on) so maybe that has something to do with it.

I have the Elite PRO-70X5FD in my 'big' system and think I like the motion handling on it a little better but the Samsung is pretty darn close. When I first saw the F8500 in person it was at the Crutchfield store in town right after they'd set it up. Not sure how they had it set at the time but did notice some fairly bad judder there (picture was still awesome enough that it got the wheels turning about upgrading the bedroom tv though) so I have seen it. Just not with my config.
post #1813 of 11459
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

Plasma does have some judder...sounds like you LCD/led guys just are not used to it.

I've owned several varieties of plasma and lcd over the years so I know what judder looks like. It's just that in the review he says 'The end result unfortunately is the introduction of so much judder that this feature is not useable' and I can't imagine anyone watching the Samsung in my setup and thinking it was that bad ... even if it ultimately was not to their liking.
post #1814 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Are we comparing the same size screens here, the numbers may vary going from 51"-60"-64"??
I'd love to see broken in users settings for the 51"...

This was for the 64". I never really looked at the 51".
post #1815 of 11459
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I have a hard time focusing on anything but the content. rolleyes.gif

Then why are you here on AVS? Most people on AVS don't actually look at content, we look at problems! biggrin.gif
post #1816 of 11459
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Interesting. In my experience with this set, the 3D is stunning with only a very sleight few identifiable instances across multiple films (even in Hugo). It's superior to the e7000/8000 LCDs (highly praised for their 3d performance) in this regard with far better quality on dark backgrounds when watching 3d. It's virtually crosstallk free from what I've seen thus far (no crosstalk whatsoever in Prometheus - which OMG looks amazing on this set...just amazing)

Also, my glasses sync very reliably and I've had no issues at all. Works as well or better than my e7500 did. 2D-3D conversion works rather well too.

The 3D experience on this set, even in daytime viewing, is nothing short of awesome IMO.

Also, for anyone wondering, the set also produces buttery smooth images with Judder cancellation set to Standard. I was hoping it would provide this kind of smooth, judder-free picture and it does. "Smooth" mode seems to take it to full-on SOE look if you like that for any particular material. But "Standard" seems to be dialed in very nicely for a great balance of smooth motion and pans while maintaining a natural, yet life-like look. To me, it's pretty much right-on what I would have set it to had it had more granular control as the LCDs equipped with AMS do.

Endlesssender, can you tell us which size you have? We can track which size has which, if any, issues.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SJA05 View Post

My PN64F8500 was delivered on March 28th. I ran D-Nice's slides over the Easter weekend (since I was away, I figured, why not?). Anyway, when I initially viewed the set, I did notice brightness fluctuations in the background when watching cable. I had all "enhancements" turned off except for black optimizer was set to Dark Room. What cured this issue for me was reducing the cell light from 16-17 to 15 (increasing it to 20 also worked).

Anyway, the picture on this set is now stunning!! I watched Blade Runner last weekend (a film I've seen at least 40 times in theatre, on VHS, laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ray) and the picture was fantastic.

As far as fluctuating black bars, I have never seen this issue.

SJA
That's what we like to hear !
post #1818 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post


Are the pops on the F8500 only in bright scenes or also in regular dimly lit indoor content? The older D series had it pretty bad, even in non-hockey indoor scenes. It was even covered by Cnet:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57318845-221/reports-of-pops-peeling-on-samsung-plasmas-explored-update/

I can't find a good video of it but it looked similar to 2011 Panasonic FBR pops before they released a firmware fix.

Before fix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBE2AMoPf1o

After fix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUBwJNeppY

Does the F8500 have this problem or is the issue only in bright hockey, snow, skies, etc.?

Is it just me or does the 'after fix' look the same as the 'before fix'? confused.gif
post #1819 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Is it just me or does the 'after fix' look the same as the 'before fix'? confused.gif

Me too...
post #1820 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

You can see Kevin's settings for all of the modes over on tweaktv, he has them posted in his review for the F8500 Is Samsung allowed to put out a firmware to adjust the ABL function, of course they are allowed to its thier TV, WILL they that is the question wink.gif

I can't find the settings on his review. I must be blind. Could you help me out with a link?
post #1821 of 11459
Wizziwig,

I was asking the same question earlier in the thread (just got an exchange request granted after multiple repairs on my D series) and the consensus seemed to be that the issue didn't effect dimly lit scenes - these were the scenes that absolutely drove me nuts on my D series and I can live with a little bit of ABL on hockey games and the occasional very bright scene. I haven't seen anyone talking about the pops bleeding into the letterbox bars or going crazy during dim scenes so I am hopeful that we are okay.

Once Best Buy has received my exchange approval and I can get them to deliver my new F8500 I will definitely confirm that the problem isn't the same as the D series.
post #1822 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Those are the post-break-in celebrated settings Miller did on the 60. They haven't released anysettings on the 64 or 51, but would think their similar.

Yes, many thanks to Kevin for sharing on tweaktv. I started with Kevin Millers movie settings and tweaked a little from there. The result is a live Beauty.


*Yea were not santa clara,cal or mass., were from maine, the great white north.

It's movie time, call the pizza man.

yes, yes they are... thats why i specifically said mine is 51"! someone else asked to see what others are using on this size after break in time....

pizza? u should be having lobster!!
post #1823 of 11459
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by funkahdafi View Post

I can't find the settings on his review. I must be blind. Could you help me out with a link?
Chad B's Review is on the very first post of this thread.......
post #1824 of 11459
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Originally Posted by funkahdafi View Post

I can't find the settings on his review. I must be blind. Could you help me out with a link?

You can find them at the bottom of the review here

Youll see a seperate entry for each mode he calibrated. within the PDF youll see the settings used.....
post #1825 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Those are the post-break-in celebrated settings Miller did on the 60. They haven't released anysettings on the 64 or 51, but would think their similar.

Yes, many thanks to Kevin for sharing on tweaktv. I started with Kevin Millers movie settings and tweaked a little from there. The result is a live Beauty.


*Yea were not santa clara,cal or mass., were from maine, the great white north.

It's movie time, call the pizza man.

New Englandah wink.gif close enough the "wicked" has spread across it all tongue.gif

Settings "should be" universal, but may require slight tweaking......Kevin also calibrated a 64"....I am sure once more people get calibrations done and get the sets more comments will be made on what works for them......

BTW sooner or later it would probably be good to get a seperate thread going for settings as they WILL get buried and be harder and harder to find wink.gif
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

yes, yes they are... thats why i specifically said mine is 51"! someone else asked to see what others are using on this size after break in time....

pizza? u should be having lobster!!

I dont know about Rob but being in New England a good lobster is easy to find lol a good pizza well that is debateable biggrin.gif
post #1826 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

There's a buzz??? tongue.gif
I forgot there might be a buzz issue with plasmas/this TV but have to say my 51F8500 has no buzz what so ever and I have over 70 hours of break-in...

My D8000 buzzed constantly and loudly. I could hear it easily from 12 ft. The F8500 I can only hear if I'm less than three feet away.
post #1827 of 11459
Ph8te, good idea about new thread for settings..... ???

(and maybe i shourdah said 'lobsta' !!!!!) lol
post #1828 of 11459
I would also like to see what settings people are using...maybe we can try and determine if certain cell light and contrast settings among other things is causing at least some of the brightness fluctuation/pops. Maybe the people who are not experiencing problems can post them...then those who do have issues can try them on their display for now.
post #1829 of 11459
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

Ph8te, good idea about new thread for settings..... ???

(and maybe i shourdah said 'lobsta' !!!!!) lol

Its shoulah wink.gif no rrrrr :P and there are variations of words and accents going from Maine to Rhode Island.....

I would agree that a seperate thread for settings would be a good idea, it would keep the troubleshooting\comparison\general talk to one thread while the other would be focused on settings....Much easier to find information that way smile.gif
post #1830 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Its shoulah wink.gif no rrrrr :P and there are variations of words and accents going from Maine to Rhode Island.....

I would agree that a seperate thread for settings would be a good idea, it would keep the troubleshooting\comparison\general talk to one thread while the other would be focused on settings....Much easier to find information that way smile.gif

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