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Originally Posted by Thelt2000x View Post

I will respectively disagree with you. I didn't like the contrast down. And kind of defeated the purpose of my purchase. The way I look at it its a win win for me either the VT or ZT will be better and I will get one of those or hopefully a fix will come out for this set and maybe it will be cheaper at that time.

We I would add a caveat, that you "hope" they will be better and the "problems" will be ones that you can either deal with or wont run into wink.gif no matter what set you run into will have one issue or another smile.gif I wish you luck and hope you find happiness with either the VT or ZT....
post #2462 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

Absolutely will do asap.


Just got off the phone with Samsung and told them about the brightness pops issue. Like the other person who spoke to them on here they told me they are aware of the issue and they are working on a fix.
post #2463 of 11548
endlessender and pinger are right. Everyone experiencing brightness pops should call Samsung right away. Only takes a couple of minutes and up the chances for a fix faster. Hopefully indeed biggrin.gif
post #2464 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Short review

http://youtu.be/fapoRl6lrUg

Hmm, so UK customers get two glasses instead of four, but a real button remote as well as the pad remote. I wonder why the differences?
post #2465 of 11548
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Samsung F8500 Television Info. Review:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/samsung-f8500-review-2

Summary; Best HDTV available today.

Their reviews are totally crap , There is a comment under their review I absolutely agree with it.
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I think your reviews are really biased. You deliberately adjust samsung plasmas for more brightness whit pushing cell light and contrast set to max or nearly max and Against adjust panasonic plasmas for really muted picture with set contrast and panel brightness to the lowest possible.really shame!
post #2466 of 11548
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Originally Posted by alucard3 View Post

Their reviews are totally crap , There is a comment under their review I absolutely agree with it.

That could be said about almost any review...Thats why its best to use them as a tool rather than gospel......There are plenty of reviews that are biased for all TVs wink.gif
post #2467 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

Hi. Yesterday I bought the F8500. Im coming from a C8000 that had the widespread pink banding problem so this was a huge step up. Without a doubt this is an amazing tv. The picture is bright and spectacular and watching the snow scenes in Game Of Thrones and the Alice In Wonderland 3D blu ray literally blew my mind. Unfortunately I am noticing brightness pops - especially in 3D content. I can report turning down the contrast does work though. With that said I really have nothing bad to say about this tv (not yet anyway) -- and would still recommend it. Im using movie mode and black optimizer is off.

Yeah the picture itself is staggeringly good in 2D. The 3D picture would be the same if it weren't for the pops. Watched Tangled 3D with my daughter and even Medium Dynamic Contrast didn't kill all the pops. If it would just act like it does in 3D the same way it does in 2D I'd be thrilled.
post #2468 of 11548
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

So reading this the brightness pops are more common to the 64"???? the 51" and 60" seems better and not effected ???? As much is that what I'm reading.

I have the 64 & to get rid of the pops (without samsung firmware fix) people have been turning down contrast 95 to 74.
I use Millers calibtrated settings, but have tweaked a few of them to adjust to help the pops. I have been using & I am currently these settings (both are way better/no pops)

Have been using: (these are way better for pops... for us)
cell-20
warm2
contrast-95
brightness-47
gamma (-2)

or

cell-14
warm1
contrast-95
brightness-45
gamma (-2)

Currently using: (tried this & no pops for us)
cell-14
warm1
contrast-95
brightness-45
gamma (-3)
dynamic contrast-low


whitebalance the same on all 3 options (Millers movie- 22,25,24,25,24,25)

*watching part of the philadelphia ice. Will watch other ice too to get more of a sample...
post #2469 of 11548
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Yeah the picture itself is staggeringly good in 2D. The 3D picture would be the same if it weren't for the pops. Watched Tangled 3D with my daughter and even Medium Dynamic Contrast didn't kill all the pops. If it would just act like it does in 3D the same way it does in 2D I'd be thrilled.


Well lets hope samsung told us the truth and that a firmware update is coming soon smile.gif
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Damien, did you have warranty coverage for your C8000 red-rash? I'm dealing with that same issue on my 58C8000 (luckily just before my credit card warranty expires). I haven't heard whether they'll replace the panel or just give me the cost of repair towards another set. Not sure if it's best to keep the c8000 repaired, or jump into an F8500 (for ~$1900 more).

Also, how do you rate the free/cheaper 3D glasses included against the more expensive ones used on the C8000?

thanks
post #2471 of 11548
Just saw CNET's ST60 review "5/5" superb.

Has anyone looked at both sets and have an opinion between the two?

Curious as to whether the higher price tag is worth it.
post #2472 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Logan92 View Post

Just saw CNET's ST60 review "5/5" superb.

Has anyone looked at both sets and have an opinion between the two?

Curious as to whether the higher price tag is worth it.

Seen this "worth" question posted a few times, the only one taht can make that determination is you wink.gif .....The ST60 is a GREAT set and offers superb bang for the buck value...It cant reach the brightness levels of the F8500, but then you may not need the extra brightness.......It all depends on what you are looking for out of the set....
post #2473 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Seen this "worth" question posted a few times, the only one taht can make that determination is you wink.gif .....The ST60 is a GREAT set and offers superb bang for the buck value...It cant reach the brightness levels of the F8500, but then you may not need the extra brightness.......It all depends on what you are looking for out of the set....

Well, I don't want to drive 2 hours to see the difference between the two at a mag store.

The main benefits other than picture quality (which is what i was asking the difference between mainly) would be interface and "coolness." The f8500 has a camera, looks sleeker, really nice remote, quad core processer, etc.
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Originally Posted by opus123 View Post

Damien, did you have warranty coverage for your C8000 red-rash? I'm dealing with that same issue on my 58C8000 (luckily just before my credit card warranty expires). I haven't heard whether they'll replace the panel or just give me the cost of repair towards another set. Not sure if it's best to keep the c8000 repaired, or jump into an F8500 (for ~$1900 more).

Also, how do you rate the free/cheaper 3D glasses included against the more expensive ones used on the C8000?

thanks

I had the manufacturers warranty. My problem happened when the tv was like 3 months out of warranty. Samsung gave me what they call a one time fix. The guy came and did a voltage adjustment and replaced the retaining boards which worked for a little while but the banding soon returned. By then I was so fed up I lived with it untill I bought the F8500 yesterday and now no more banding just brightness pops lol. Ive read on here that some people had their C8000 panel replaced only to see the problem return a year later.

As for the F8500 3D glasses I like them because they are lighter and more comfortable in my opinion and also the 3D on the F8500 is vastly superior to the 3D on the C8000.
post #2475 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Logan92 View Post

Well, I don't want to drive 2 hours to see the difference between the two at a mag store.

The main benefits other than picture quality (which is what i was asking the difference between mainly) would be interface and "coolness." The f8500 has a camera, looks sleeker, really nice remote, quad core processer, etc.

Thats the "rub" isnt it wink.gif we can only give you personal experience, in the end taste and viewpoints differ which is why its recommended to see the sets yourself.

If you are mainly after the "coolness" factor than the Smart Hub has been rated as one of the best if not the best of the current crop of interfaces.....

The blacks on the TVs may be a wash, the contrast ratio so far has been measured better on the ST60

The overall brightness is better on the F8500

Theres only so much that can be said though since both TVs process signals differently and have a "unique" style.....

If you ahve a light controlled environment I would think that the ST60 would be a great set for you....If you ahve a bright room enviornment then the F8500 may be more in your favor.......

Again the "worth" is a personal decision and will be different for every person.......I try to stay away from "worth" as it differes so much....
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

Well lets hope samsung told us the truth and that a firmware update is coming soon smile.gif

samsung said they're aware of the problem. I don't think they've said anything about a fix or firmware update.
post #2477 of 11548
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

samsung said they're aware of the problem. I don't think they've said anything about a fix or firmware update.

When I spoke to them on the phone today they told me there would be one.
post #2478 of 11548
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Originally Posted by alucard3 View Post

Their reviews are totally crap , There is a comment under their review I absolutely agree with it.

Funny i agree with the other comment.. cool.gif
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Have you seen the F8500??
It is much brighter then ANY plasma and I'm not talking about just this year I mean ever. I don't think he's being bias rather he is spot on and this will be confirmed as more and more reviews come out..
post #2479 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Logan92 View Post

Just saw CNET's ST60 review "5/5" superb.

Has anyone looked at both sets and have an opinion between the two?

Curious as to whether the higher price tag is worth it.


I have to say - I'm a bit surprised how a TV that has as poor of 3D performance as the review states can be "Superb" unless you heavily factor in the price, which may be the case. But I wouldn't expect excessive crosstalk or any real "downside" from a TV rated 5/5 and "Superb". For me it will only be VT or ZT that potentially competes with F8500
post #2480 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

When I spoke to them on the phone today they told me there would be one.

ok, great smile.gif
post #2481 of 11548
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

ok, great smile.gif

Yes really hope this happens biggrin.gif
post #2482 of 11548
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

ok, great smile.gif

Lol guess we'll have to see but I wouldn't hold my breath - esp if you were talking with a regular CSR. My experience with the D series has me very skeptical about what they say.

With that said, finally got my set today and my initial impression is WOW. Haven't noticed too much with the ABL pops but will def be keeping my eyes open.
post #2483 of 11548
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Lol guess we'll have to see but I wouldn't hold my breath - esp if you were talking with a regular CSR. My experience with the D series has me very skeptical about what they say.

With that said, finally got my set today and my initial impression is WOW. Haven't noticed too much with the ABL pops but will def be keeping my eyes open.[/quot

Congrats on the new set. Im with you on the WOW factor smile.gif

Also was wondering if the D series brightness pops problem was ever fixed
post #2484 of 11548
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

That could be said about almost any review...Thats why its best to use them as a tool rather than gospel......There are plenty of reviews that are biased for all TVs wink.gif
Excellent response. Couldn't agree more.Good to see some positivity.
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I don't know whether it was JMU or Damien that asked if the brightness pops on the D series was fixed. The answer is they were tamed to the point where they became a non-issue. What happened was that the rise and fall time of the pops were increased so the change was not nearly as distracting. I am sensitive to the pops but after the fix I have had no problems viewing my 64D7000 because of it.

Samsung released one -- and only one -- software update that contained the fix and zoyd pulled it out of the update package and posted it for all to use. There was a significantly large thread on the subject at the time. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389562/samsung-d-series-fbr-fix-discussion.

Why Samsung did not continue including the fix in subsequent update releases no one knows. Maybe it was a test to see if it would be worthwhile to use in the next E series models. I don't have an answer.

Larry
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Larry, I had the D series replaced and the logic board updated with the 'fix' 3 separate times (3 different logic boards). Like many others on the forum the fix only lasted x number of hours before the issue came back - always around the 800 mark for the MRT (or whatever that value was called that allowed you to get an idea about hours)

I could never get rid of the issue permanently and that is why Samsung had BB reimburse me for the purchase price.
post #2487 of 11548
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Larry, I had the D series replaced and the logic board updated with the 'fix' 3 separate times (3 different logic boards). Like many others on the forum the fix only lasted x number of hours before the issue came back - always around the 800 mark for the MRT (or whatever that value was called that allowed you to get an idea about hours)

I could never get rid of the issue permanently and that is why Samsung had BB reimburse me for the purchase price.

It was not many that said the pops returned. It was a very vocal few. And there is no evidence that there is something magic with an MRT value of 800 or whatever. Mine is much, much greater than that.

Larry
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

I don't know whether it was JMU or Damien that asked if the brightness pops on the D series was fixed. The answer is they were tamed to the point where they became a non-issue. What happened was that the rise and fall time of the pops were increased so the change was not nearly as distracting. I am sensitive to the pops but after the fix I have had no problems viewing my 64D7000 because of it.

Samsung released one -- and only one -- software update that contained the fix and zoyd pulled it out of the update package and posted it for all to use. There was a significantly large thread on the subject at the time. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389562/samsung-d-series-fbr-fix-discussion.

Why Samsung did not continue including the fix in subsequent update releases no one knows. Maybe it was a test to see if it would be worthwhile to use in the next E series models. I don't have an answer.

Larry

Thanks for the info Larry and the thread link smile.gif
post #2489 of 11548
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

It was not many that said the pops returned. It was a very vocal few. And there is no evidence that there is something magic with an MRT value of 800 or whatever. Mine is much, much greater than that.

Larry

There were several just in that thread a several earlier in this thread that indicated that they had finally been granted an exchange for the D series. The fact that they refunded me is proof that the fix wasn't 100% for everybody like you imply.

Edit: where did I say it was def 800? I said that was the case on my particular TV 3 different times.
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Please don't confuse the D series mll "pop" issue with what people are discussing here with the ABL, they are not related.
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