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post #3901 of 11477
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

Not clear if it was an F8000 that he replaced one thing I noticed this year is that the cost of the 60F8000 is a little lower then the 60F8500 I think the PQ ON THE TV is superior to the LED they are bright but plasma is so much richer and more saturated. That's just my personal opinion.

Everybody have been saying this, I still have not seen the TV but soon I will. I just hope the F8500 gives the clear window effect viewing with the same sharpness as the LEDs.
post #3902 of 11477
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Originally Posted by tsax6010 View Post

I am looking for a new TV since my HP DLP finally died after many years of faithful service. A few months ago I tried the PNE7000 and had issues with pink blobs, and the VT50 which had really, really bad image retention that would not clear up within my 60 day BBY return period - the IR was very noticeable during regular viewing (not just solid color slides). I have a bright living room with plenty of sunlight and I felt both sets handled it OK, but the VT50 was better.

In skimming the last 10 pages or so here, I see there is an issue with banding on the new F8500s. It would be great if post #1 would keep a running list of known issues, fixes, firmware updates, etc. Many threads (like Denon AVR ones) do this and it saves people from trying to dig stuff out of thousands of posts as these threads get quite large.

So far the F8500 looks like a contender for me, but I was wondering if anyone knows answers to the following:

  • With the increased brightness of the F8500, is there now issues with IR or burn in over last years sets? I have an 8mo old whose baby DVDs are 4:3, and a wife that is not as careful with viewing content as I am - ie - pausing, watching same channel with logo for hours on end, etc. The E7000 never had a hint of IR even with their abuse.
  • I use a Harmony remote and a Denon 3313 receiver and would like to use ARC for the TVs apps. The VT50 worked flawlessly but the E7000 insisted on switching my receivers input to TV Audio about 30-40 seconds every freakin time I turned the TV on, forcing us to switch receiver inputs back to whatever task we started using the Harmony. It was if Samsung was so full of themselves to think that on every power on, the only reason why I would turn on their set was to use their apps. I had to run a separate optical cable from the E7000 to avoid this behavior. Does the F8500 do the same thing?
  • Is there still an issue with the pink blob color uniformity that many E7000s had?

1) too early to tell, those that ahve had IR had been able to get rid of it very quickly
2) This could be as simple as editing the order of things turn on, I think a few people are using teh ARC without any issues.
3) Nothing has beenr eported as of yet no

As ar as the 1st page, I dont think it will happen. Most of the people who are in this thread have been here since the beginning and pretty much know the issues that are coming up, you dont see that often in the TV threads as people switch TVs more often than the other equipment.
post #3903 of 11477
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

That's what's sad people seeing things and effects that are source related thinking it's the TV. Then they return them but someone going to get a great deal on an open box
Of course this is where actual customer service comes in. A salesman should ask what the problem is, then make sure it is an actual TV issue. Many, many times I have to point to a devise that was bad in some way......
post #3904 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Well the "popping" Stv could be seeing are the strobes form photographers. From the description he gave that's what he's seeing not the popping that is getting fixed. If they are bright flashes then its not the TV it's the source most likely. He's also coming from a TV that is almost 10 inches smaller and may not have ever noticed this before.

I'd agree giving how he describes this as so frequently occurring. The popping doesn't have that degree of frequency, but camera flashes do.
post #3905 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'd agree giving how he describes this as so frequently occurring. The popping doesn't have that degree of frequency, but camera flashes do.

The camera flash issue has been well documented in many plasma threads so I agree with you Ken you would see this on any display technology imo
post #3906 of 11477
The camera flashes you all are referring to are arena strobes. They are located overhead the rink/ court and are linked to the cameras of professional photographers who pay for the privilege of using them. They bring money to the teams and won't be going away anytime soon.
post #3907 of 11477
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

The camera flashes you all are referring to are arena strobes. They are located overhead the rink/ court and are linked to the cameras of professional photographers who pay for the privilege of using them. They bring money to the teams and won't be going away anytime soon.


Yep which is why I brought it up wink.gif with the frequency that the poster was seeing them it sounded exactly like what the strobes cause ot show up......Now that they have a TV that is almost 10" bigger 55>64 they may also notice things that they never noticed before...since the OP hasnt be back I guess wi'll never know wink.gif .....
post #3908 of 11477
originally posted by twd....
Here is something of interest. When I went into the store I saw a section cordoned off with a sign that said Coming Soon Samsung Experience or something to that effect. When I asked I was told the Samsung has purchased floor space in every BB for their exclusive use.
post #3909 of 11477
Blizzard did you get to calibrate a set yesterday? Lets hear about it.
post #3910 of 11477
1 return on a French user 51 F8500 :
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it is a 51 ", and I'm skeptical effect on blacks.
I already had to disable the "optimization black" for example on a generic where there is only a text white text in the middle of the screen on a black background, it gives a pretty bad effect: the background the screen is a kind of fading, and change from gray (very very dark) black ... it takes about half a second so it's pretty visible.
In a completely dark room with a black background on the TV, it is clear that it is running, it appears slightly gray.
I changed all the settings in the normal modes, it does not change the problem ... I will attack the settings pro mode.

I will also repeat qq tests with "black optimization" option enabled.

He has trouble with black ... eek.gif
post #3911 of 11477
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

originally posted by twd....
Here is something of interest. When I went into the store I saw a section cordoned off with a sign that said Coming Soon Samsung Experience or something to that effect. When I asked I was told the Samsung has purchased floor space in every BB for their exclusive use.
I thought this was fairly well known, it was all over the techblogs, etc when the news came out.......

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Originally Posted by Elvamir View Post

Blizzard did you get to calibrate a set yesterday? Lets hear about it.

No he is going to wait until the Firmware comes out that is supposed to fix the fluctuating blacks\pops that people are seeing comes out.
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

1 return on a French user 51 F8500 :
He has trouble with black ... eek.gif

Ummm ok???

Without knowing the settings, etc or the source material they are taking this from its pretty hard to say anything.....Maybe this person had unrealistic perception of how dark the TV was supposed to get? So many things....sorry but this gets a "shrug"....
post #3912 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I thought this was fairly well known, it was all over the techblogs, etc when the news came out.........

i missed it somewhere along the way !
post #3913 of 11477
Still new here so don't know if this is where I'm suppose to writ this but here goes: My samsung un55d7000 broke down on me luckily I was eligible for an exchange since geek squad couldn't fix it..this is where my first question is does anybody knows his this works do I get to choose the new tv I want from best buy or do I get a store credit of my original purchase which was around 3000 2 years ago..I tried calling best buy but that's useless tomorrow I have a day off and plan on stopping by..but if it does go my way and I get some type of credit I am looking for a bigger tv..samsung f8500 and the zt60 which is about a month and half away..I'm an average joe when it comes to TVs i mean the un55d7000 was one of the best quality picture I have ever owned and I have seen people bashing that tv..just wanted to take u guys intake am I really going to be able to tell the difference from the f8500 or zt60 or only the real tech guys are gonna know cus I see ya put numbers about black levels and such and I get confused..any intake would help..thank you in advance..
post #3914 of 11477
I wouldn't expect much in the way of objective opinions in the owner's thread. Additionally, very few have seen the ZT60 for one. The VT60 would also be a worthy contender.
post #3915 of 11477
POrky, coming form LCD the #1 thing you will miss is the brightness of the TV. While the F8500 does get bright, it still does not match that of an LCD TV. What we really need to know is what are you looking for out of the TV, what type of content will you be watching, what type of viewing enviornment is the TV going into (controlled lighting\bright room\dedicated theater which can et very dark).....The ZT isnt out yet so no one knows how it will really perform, but you wuld be paying more out of pocket when it does come out. I would suggest looking at the VT and F8500 if you can in the store and seeing if you can play around with the settings. Adjust the TVs to a point where you would normally watch them. If you are not as critical as most here, then you may not reap the benifits of a higher end TV, in which case an ST\VT may be "good enough" for you.......The numbers and reviews are all great information to ahve, but if you are not happy with the picture then it all means squat. This is why I recommend seeing the TVs in person to get a general idea of how well the set will perform (it wont give you the correct for your home, but a general idea)....
post #3916 of 11477
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I wouldn't expect much in the way of objective opinions in the owner's thread. Additionally, very few have seen the ZT60 for one. The VT60 would also be a worthy contender.

aww c'mon vinne....I would tend to agree with you though in any owners thread though the reviews\recommendations will usually tend to be "biased"....
post #3917 of 11477
Yes, there is already a thread that is debating these two heavyweight options where it might be more appropriate. You're pretty objective, though, I'll give you that. biggrin.gif
post #3918 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

POrky, coming form LCD the #1 thing you will miss is the brightness of the TV. While the F8500 does get bright, it still does not match that of an LCD TV. What we really need to know is what are you looking for out of the TV, what type of content will you be watching, what type of viewing enviornment is the TV going into (controlled lighting\bright room\dedicated theater which can et very dark).....The ZT isnt out yet so no one knows how it will really perform, but you wuld be paying more out of pocket when it does come out. I would suggest looking at the VT and F8500 if you can in the store and seeing if you can play around with the settings. Adjust the TVs to a point where you would normally watch them. If you are not as critical as most here, then you may not reap the benifits of a higher end TV, in which case an ST\VT may be "good enough" for you.......The numbers and reviews are all great information to ahve, but if you are not happy with the picture then it all means squat. This is why I recommend seeing the TVs in person to get a general idea of how well the set will perform (it wont give you the correct for your home, but a general idea)....

I plan on seeing the f8500 tommrow ..but to answer your question I will mostly use it for movies as half the time I'm working as of know I'm writing this under where my boss doesn't see me..my room really isn't bright not even my lightbulb is good it leaves my room with a sluggish looking yellow..I went from a classic lunchbox tv to the led and haven't owned a plasma ..and if the brightness is gone that's a downside for me and only reason I mention the zt60 is because of all the hype I've been reading about it and don't want that to me missing out on it in my conscience cus I could wait for it even though ill be without a tv for a month.
post #3919 of 11477
VT60 Vs. F8500

First off I'd like to offer a huge shout-out to the fine guys over at the BB Magnolia next to Roosevelt Field on Long Island. They had these two sets side by side on stands making a direct A/B comparison possible. They were able to synch up The Avengers on DVD so that both sets were playing this with only a 1" -2" second difference between what the two sets were displaying. Actually, that 1" -2" second difference was quite helpful in allowing an assessment of what was playing on one before looking at the other.

First off, the F8500 had somewhat more pure whites than the VT60. That said, neither had anything like the eye searing whites and "pop" of the LED/LCD sets on the adjacent wall so if that is what you're after you're going to need to pass on both of these sets and opt, instead, for an LED/LCD. So the F8500 had more initial visual impact. My wife commented on this initially. After watching for a minute or two the strengths of the VT60 began to emerge. In fact, the longer you watched, the more apparent it was that the VT60 won convincingly in a number of categories. These included coror saturation and "depth" (hard to describe this but the closest I can come is that the VT had more of a 3D effect even while displaying 2D material). It also simply blew away the F8500 in resolution of detail in dark scenes. Skin tones where more accurate on the VT and blacks definitely appeared 'blacker.' Neither set was using "torch mode" (i.e. (Vivid/Dynamic), so any artificial exaggerations that might have been introduced by these were not a factor. Needless to say, neither were professionally calibrated so we were looking at out-of-the-box settings. I was rather surprised to find that red resolution was about a draw with both sets doing a superb jod here. In view of the much ballyhooed new phosphor that Panny is using I had rather expected that this would be one area in which the VT would bury the F8500. This was not the case. Surprisingly it was in the blues that the VT excelled and completely dominated the F8500. Who whoudda figured?

Anyway, I'm happy to report that my seemingly endless obsession deciding between these two sets has now come to a close and I'm going with the VT. A couple of other factors entered into my ultimate decision. These were that I adore the stand that the VT uses and detest the overly wide stand of the F8500; the VT provides two remotes for their set -- one of which is the cute little touch pad thing, the other of which is a more traditional remote that will allow far easier access to the unit's many feature far more easily...the F8500 only offers the (admittedly very sleek and sexy) touch pad remote; the sound system of the VT is almost certain to beat the built-in speakers of the F8500...having owned the F8500 for about a week I can say that the built-in speakers of that unit were, at best, mediocre; finally I am a bit concerned over quality control issues with Samsung and I believe that over the long haul, the VT will prove to be more reliable -- I know that even the finest product can occassionally produce a lemon but I want to keep the odds on my side.

So if you are a casual shopper (thankfully, not many of us here fall into that category) be careful and spend some quality time with both sets before you decide which way to go. First impressions can be deceiving!
Edited by AuralSex - 4/28/13 at 5:17pm
post #3920 of 11477
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Yes, there is already a thread that is debating these two heavyweight options where it might be more appropriate. You're pretty objective, though, I'll give you that. biggrin.gif

Yeah sorry but I was reading through there first and then they lost me with all them numbers they were throwing out there didn't want to write there and look like an idiot so I gave this thread a shot..
post #3921 of 11477
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

The above i found on post 3840 from rgb24
Should solve youre apps problem.

Rob

Found it, Thanks. I did the reset and I can see the apps but they are all blacked out still. Cant select any of them to install. Anyone else have this issue? Are your apps showing or is this a Samsung server problem?
post #3922 of 11477
all my apps are showing and usable..... just went to youtube, bravo, all ok
post #3923 of 11477
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

VT60 Vs. F8500

First off I'd like to offer a huge shout-out to the fine guys over at the BB Magnolia next to Roosevelt Field on Long Island. They had these two sets side by side on stands making a direct A/B comparison possible. They were able to synch up The Avengers on DVD so that both sets were playing this with only a 1" -2" second difference between what the two sets were displaying. Actually, that 1" -2" second difference was quite helpful in allowing an assessment of what was playing on one before looking at the other.

First off, the F8500 had somewhat more pure whites than the VT60. That said, neither had anything like the eye searing whites and "pop" of the LED/LCD sets on the adjacent wall so if that is what you're after you're going to need to pass on both of these sets and opt, instead, for an LED/LCD. So the F8500 had more initial visual impact. My wife commented on this initially. After watching for a minute or two the strengths of the VT60 began to emerge. In fact, the longer you watched, the more apparent it was that the VT60 won convincingly in a number of categories. These included coror saturation and "depth" (hard to describe this but the closest I can come is that the VT had more of a 3D effect even while displaying 2D material). It also simply blew away the F8500 in resolution of detail in dark scenes. Skin tones where more accurate on the VT and blacks definitely appeared 'blacker.' Both sets were set off Vivid/Dynamic so the comparison could be as fair as possible. Needless to say, neither were professionally calibrated so we were looking at out-of-the-box settings. I was rather surprised to find that red resolution was about a draw with both sets doing a superb jod here. In view of the much ballyhooed new phosphor that Panny is using I had rather expected that this would be one area in which the VT would bury the F8500. This was not the case. Surprisingly it was in the blues that the VT excelled and completely dominated the F8500. Who whoudda figured?

Anyway, I'm happy to report that my seemingly endless obsession deciding between these two sets has now come to a close and I'm going with the VT. A couple of other factors entered into my ultimate decision. These were that I adore the stand that the VT uses and detest the overly wide stand of the F8500; the VT provides two remotes for their set -- one of which is the cute little touch pad thing, the other of which is a more traditional remote that will allow far easier access to the unit's many feature far more easily...the F8500 only offers the (admittedly very sleek and sexy) touch pad remote; the sound system of the VT is almost certain to beat the built-in speakers of the F8500...having owned the F8500 for about a week I can say that the built-in speakers of that unit were, at best, mediocre; finally I am a bit concerned over quality control issues with Samsung and I believe that over the long haul, the VT will prove to be more reliable -- I know that even the finest product can occassionally produce a lemon but I want to keep the odds on my side.

So if you are a casual shopper (thankfully, not many of us here fall into that category) be careful and spend some quality time with both sets before you decide which way to go. First impressions can be deceiving!

Yeah ill take everthing u said into consideration tommrow ..Man dont know how ya see all this detail in a tv..as I am forced to go with my gramps to buy cus he's the only one with a car and his eyes are basically dead and me i wear glasses..I mostly watch dark movies if that makes sense so the white thing is not a big deal..but yeah thank you..just so eager as I just recently bought my first ht system klipschrf82ii system with a xv15 sub and I have them just waiting there taunting me for a week now waiting for a new tv..again thank you
post #3924 of 11477
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

all my apps are showing and usable..... just went to youtube, bravo, all ok

Thanks. I went in and could stream from Amazon and Netflix but I disconnected to my wireless network then reconnected. After about 5 mins when in the "More Apps" section of the Smart Hub the apps started to appear. Just installed Spotify and playing music fine. Not sure if it was the disconnecting from the network and reconnecting that did it but its working.
post #3925 of 11477
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Originally Posted by huddadudda View Post

Thanks. I went in and could stream from Amazon and Netflix but I disconnected to my wireless network then reconnected. After about 5 mins when in the "More Apps" section of the Smart Hub the apps started to appear. Just installed Spotify and playing music fine. Not sure if it was the disconnecting from the network and reconnecting that did it but its working.

great smile.gif glad u got it working
post #3926 of 11477
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

VT60 Vs. F8500

First off I'd like to offer a huge shout-out to the fine guys over at the BB Magnolia next to Roosevelt Field on Long Island. They had these two sets side by side on stands making a direct A/B comparison possible. They were able to synch up The Avengers on DVD so that both sets were playing this with only a 1" -2" second difference between what the two sets were displaying. Actually, that 1" -2" second difference was quite helpful in allowing an assessment of what was playing on one before looking at the other.

First off, the F8500 had somewhat more pure whites than the VT60. That said, neither had anything like the eye searing whites and "pop" of the LED/LCD sets on the adjacent wall so if that is what you're after you're going to need to pass on both of these sets and opt, instead, for an LED/LCD. So the F8500 had more initial visual impact. My wife commented on this initially. After watching for a minute or two the strengths of the VT60 began to emerge. In fact, the longer you watched, the more apparent it was that the VT60 won convincingly in a number of categories. These included coror saturation and "depth" (hard to describe this but the closest I can come is that the VT had more of a 3D effect even while displaying 2D material). It also simply blew away the F8500 in resolution of detail in dark scenes. Skin tones where more accurate on the VT and blacks definitely appeared 'blacker.' Both sets were set off Vivid/Dynamic so the comparison could be as fair as possible. Needless to say, neither were professionally calibrated so we were looking at out-of-the-box settings. I was rather surprised to find that red resolution was about a draw with both sets doing a superb jod here. In view of the much ballyhooed new phosphor that Panny is using I had rather expected that this would be one area in which the VT would bury the F8500. This was not the case. Surprisingly it was in the blues that the VT excelled and completely dominated the F8500. Who whoudda figured?

Anyway, I'm happy to report that my seemingly endless obsession deciding between these two sets has now come to a close and I'm going with the VT. A couple of other factors entered into my ultimate decision. These were that I adore the stand that the VT uses and detest the overly wide stand of the F8500; the VT provides two remotes for their set -- one of which is the cute little touch pad thing, the other of which is a more traditional remote that will allow far easier access to the unit's many feature far more easily...the F8500 only offers the (admittedly very sleek and sexy) touch pad remote; the sound system of the VT is almost certain to beat the built-in speakers of the F8500...having owned the F8500 for about a week I can say that the built-in speakers of that unit were, at best, mediocre; finally I am a bit concerned over quality control issues with Samsung and I believe that over the long haul, the VT will prove to be more reliable -- I know that even the finest product can occassionally produce a lemon but I want to keep the odds on my side.

So if you are a casual shopper (thankfully, not many of us here fall into that category) be careful and spend some quality time with both sets before you decide which way to go. First impressions can be deceiving!

Making a comparison in a video store??
post #3927 of 11477
Let me explain my new apps problem. I posted earlier that I didn't have any apps at all but I have since got that working. My new problem is that earlier today I went into the apps section and it said it was deleting old apps. It wouldn't let me do anything. No problem, I just did a reset of the Smart Apps and everything would be normal, right? Well I go into the apps section, all appears well, I open the Youtube app, I try to watch a video (Man of Steel Trailer 3). The video would never start so I back out of Youtube and all I get is a blank screen. I continue to try to back out with the return/exit button and the tv shuts off. Frustrated I try this whole process all over again with the same result...tv shuts off. WTF! So I turn the tv on, go into the Smart Apps and now the only apps showing are the Recommended apps and the MY apps are blank except for the browser app. Any ideas on this conundrum?

By the way the tv is the 60F8500.
post #3928 of 11477
OK so I was finally able to go back to Magnolia and see both the VT60 and F8500 sets. I brought my Harmony remote programmed with the ST60 commands so I could access the USB stick on the VT60 as I was unable to do this last time. They have the VT60 on a stand in the main Magnolia room which is fronted by the showroom floor they also have the 64" F8500 mounted on the wall there.

First the VT60, I cycled through the modes and ended up selecting THX Cinema, Contrast of 85 and brightness of 44, Warm 2. I did test others as well as Warm 1, but between Warm 1\Warm 2 there wasnt a big of enough difference seen in the enviornment I it was in...OK starting with Color, there is plenty of "pop" when playing back animated clips (Toy Story 3 and Monsters Inc). The colors seemed represented well and I didnt feel that there would be a need for more. For Blacks this set did very very well, having shadow detail and "deep as I could tell" blacks that in teh showroom did not leave you wanting. I ahd Tron:Legacy to test the blacks\contrast and it did very well with these clips as well as one I had of Harry Potter. Contrast as I just said was very good, but really you cant tell much in this environment even though it was better than the normal showroom. For brightness Ill say that if you have a light controlled enviornment you should be fine. The settings I used just as "base" seemd they would be fine in a dark\light controlled setting. In dark scenes the reflections where there, and somewhat bothered me to how much things were reflected when the scenes were not "bight" animated clips or the like. I wasnt really able to dial in the whites to my liking on the set and they seeemed a little "off" this however could easily be explained by settings changes that could fix this. I was simply going off base adjustments that were available. the media player played almsot everything I through at it, excpet one clip which the samsung had no issues playing. For the msot part I dont think this will be an issue for those buying or thinking of buying the set. If you plan to use the set as a media player it may be a good idea to bring some files in and test them. Youll need a remote with the SD\USB button however as I still have found no other way to access the USB sticks when attached.


OK now for the F8500, I chose to play with the 51" as I played with the 64" last time. I selected Movie mode, Warm 2, with Contrast at 85 and Brightness at 44, backlight at 18. I did test others, but ended on this one as this is the setting most people are using for the "base" of adjustments. Colors on the F8500 much like the VT60 did not lack any "pop". the colors were vibrant I didnt feel the need where I was to go adjusting any further. As with the VT60 the blacks were very very good on this set, even though this was not a particualy good enviornment to check, but it was better than where the VT60 was. I really didnt see any issues as far as contrast or blacks go and woudl call them "too close to call" at this point from jsut basic settings without any major adjustments. The shadow detail Ill give a slight edge to the VT60, but that was very very close as well. For brightness I think that the F8500 has the edge. With the settings I ad it wwas bordering on too bright for the room in certain scenes. I probably could ahve dialed back the contrast and been OK. I felt the F8500 had the advantage of the "whites" in OOTB settings as they were closer to what people would expect from LCD even when the settings I had in were used. What I do like about the Samsung sets is that when I plug in a USB stick a menu pops up asking me select what I want to play, this makes it a little easier than the manual process after plugging in USB stick with the VT60. The F8500 also handles reflections better than the VT60, are they still there, yes, but the F8500 filter does a better job at handeling them IMO. Another area where IMO the samsung did a beter job was showing non 1080p (blu-ray) content. The Samsung looked "sharper" but not a bad sharp (at least IMO). If you watch a lot of cable or lower quality rips, I would suggest taking some of these clips\movies with you to see how you like the picture on each set.

As for choice, I am still undecided as both sets performed well. Since I ahve a room taht can get fairly bright during the day I am leaning towards the F8500 at this point since for me it seems more versitile. If I had a light controlled room I would probably be leaning towards the VT60. Right now though both are excellent sets and I really dont think you could go wrong with either. I am glad I got a chance to see both sets and was able to get them to pay content in the modes I set up. I think these sets will closer more than they are different with the F8500 getting the brightness edge and the VT60 getting the edge for Shadow detail\lower MLL. Im waiting to see what happens with the Firmware update that is coming out for Samsung and the shootout to see what decision Ill make, but I didnt come away completely dissapointed by either set.
post #3929 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Making a comparison in a video store??

I completely understand why sharing his impressions will incite anger, regardless of how he phrased it, but to be fair he did include this qualifier:
"Needless to say, neither were professionally calibrated so we were looking at out-of-the-box settings"
post #3930 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Making a comparison in a video store??

If you would like to buy both at the same time please feel free to do taht and let us know the outcome...Aurel, knows as most here do that any B&M setting besides one that is fully lgiht controlled would not be ideal, but it will give you "an idea". There is nothing wrong with posting impressions of in store experience as for some this may be the closest they can get to having both in the same room.....Its but a small part of the buying choice but better than buying sight unseen.
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