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post #4141 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

the .0006 is pretty much what has been measured on this set from the start as is the .012...Ive said it from the beginning if you want the deep blacks for a light controlled room\black out room Panasonic is usually the way to go...This year more than ever thier sets ahve done an outstanding job in regards to how "low" they can go....

for those that want the numbers in ftL they are .00175ftL and .0035ftL which match pretty closely to what we have been seeing in the NA reviews.....
He didnt go into details, I guess we'll find out at the shootout wink.gif or when the update gets pushed and someone has thier set calibrated.
0.006 it is with the black optimizer that is dynamic contrast default it's 0.018 ...
After calibration it switches to 0.012 what the test of David ...
post #4142 of 11459
David Katzmaier F8500 CNET REVIEW: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60f8500/4505-6482_7-35566923.html
post #4143 of 11459
I'm not getting too hung up on blacks, mine looks incredible and I like these comments in the review

So, scientific testing reveals that Samsung has made yet another huge improvement to both ends of the contrast performance spectrum on the PS64F8500. It has astonishingly deep blacks, and whites that are insanely bright for a plasma display of this screen size. It’s a serious achievement, and it means that when both ends of the contrast spectrum are taken into account, Samsung is in first place ahead of Panasonic.
post #4144 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Wonderful review. Enjoyed reading it.
I guess they already said that this is the brightest plasma and best flat screen Samsung ever produced.

hail to the QUEEN !!! lol

regarding the stand/styling.... from an interior design standpoint, i feel the design of this set will fit in many different types of rooms. its clean lines and simplicity will blend and take on whatever look your room is styled for. unless the room is extremely glammed up, this style should work! even tho it looks more industrial, it can blend with elegant... opulent, probably not the best choice!
post #4145 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

0.006 it is with the black optimizer that is dynamic contrast default it's 0.018 ...
After calibration it switches to 0.012 what the test of David ...

Correct the ANSi is .012 after calibration, and this has been the number (around) other reviews have gotten (~.003ftL)..... the .006 measurement matches previous On\off aka dynamic measurements that have been taken....

Im not seeing how this is "of note" as it matches previous reviews.....we already know the Black Optimizer improves black levels, which is why people ask when the numbers get posted if it was off or on........

Maybe I am missing something, but the numbers seemd to fall in line with what we have been seeing, Urga were you expecting them to be different?
post #4146 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

0.006 it is with the black optimizer that is dynamic contrast default it's 0.018 ...
After calibration it switches to 0.012 what the test of David ...

Urga, did Samsung do something to you???
post #4147 of 11459
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Urga, did Samsung do something to you???

I think they kidnapped his first born child. lol
post #4148 of 11459
So I have just meter calibrated my set to the best of my ability. I managed to get good results and I must say, just greyscale let alone CMS difference is night and day. The TV has way more depth and contrast. Colours seem much more accurate. I wholeheartedly recommend a meter calibration either DIY or get a Pro in.


WOW! biggrin.gif
post #4149 of 11459
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

So I have just meter calibrated my set to the best of my ability. I managed to get good results and I must say, just greyscale let alone CMS difference is night and day. The TV has way more depth and contrast. Colours seem much more accurate. I wholeheartedly recommend a meter calibration either DIY or get a Pro in.


WOW! biggrin.gif

Welcome to the wonderful world of calibration smile.gif
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FYI anyone using Samsung Apps such as Netflix, calibrated settings do not transpose over. I think the TV regards it as a separate 'input' from the HDMI inputs.

I copied my calibrated settings over and the Super HD really does look good.
post #4151 of 11459
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

So I have just meter calibrated my set to the best of my ability. I managed to get good results and I must say, just greyscale let alone CMS difference is night and day. The TV has way more depth and contrast. Colours seem much more accurate. I wholeheartedly recommend a meter calibration either DIY or get a Pro in.


WOW! biggrin.gif

Dang you dang you to heck for posting that wink.gif been on and off the fence about getitng a D3, this may just push me over the edge.....Looks forward to seeing your report when your "done" smile.gif
post #4152 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Dang you dang you to heck for posting that wink.gif been on and off the fence about getitng a D3, this may just push me over the edge.....Looks forward to seeing your report when your "done" smile.gif

Do it worth the investment imo smile.gif
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You thought the TV was good without meter calibration? I did too but this takes it up so many notches. Even my wife noticed a big change and she said 'wow' which is most unusual to get WAF like that :
post #4154 of 11459
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Do it worth the investment imo smile.gif

yeah i know, Im just trying to decide on the software, Im leaning towards CalMan though.....decisions decisions
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

You thought the TV was good without meter calibration? I did too but this takes it up so many notches. Even my wife noticed a big change and she said 'wow' which is most unusual to get WAF like that :

Sounds about right after people have thier sets calibrated wink.gif

Post your charts post your charts biggrin.gif
post #4155 of 11459
Calman 5 basic is what I used. Pretty easy to learn.
post #4156 of 11459
Out right now. Will try tonight.
post #4157 of 11459
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I'm not getting too hung up on blacks, mine looks incredible and I like these comments in the review

So, scientific testing reveals that Samsung has made yet another huge improvement to both ends of the contrast performance spectrum on the PS64F8500. It has astonishingly deep blacks, and whites that are insanely bright for a plasma display of this screen size. It’s a serious achievement, and it means that when both ends of the contrast spectrum are taken into account, Samsung is in first place ahead of Panasonic.

No matter how good reviews are + owners opinions + people (with alot and proven knowledge in the AVS world) that have had a change of "playing" thoroughly with the F8500..... Haters gonna hate....

Right now i see that the F8500 is exactly what i am looking for (seems that it fits like a glove to my viewing conditions. We never watch movies/TV in complete darkness. Guess i´m not the only one).

My "trusty old" C8000 LCD has been very nice the last 3 years (true that it doesn´t cope well with very "dark movies" but for the most part it still looks great) so just to think that i´ll get the brightness and "pop" of my LCD, the sense of "clarity and sharpness" (hard to explain), but none of the shortcomings of LCD/edge LED technology + the advantages of plasma technology, and well..... my mouth starts watering tongue.gif
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regarding the stand/styling.... from an interior design standpoint, i feel the design of this set will fit in many different types of rooms. its clean lines and simplicity will blend and take on whatever look your room is styled for. unless the room is extremely glammed up, this style should work! even tho it looks more industrial, it can blend with elegant... opulent, probably not the best choice!

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder wink.gif, with this being said, from day one i liked a lot the design of the F8500, but i reckon is not the most practical, and some people might have to buy a new stand, luckily mine is big enough (just).

Regards
post #4158 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

yeah i know, Im just trying to decide on the software, Im leaning towards CalMan though.....decisions decisions
Sounds about right after people have thier sets calibrated wink.gif

Post your charts post your charts biggrin.gif

I like Calman very good workflow help etc, chromapure has it merits also. There is free software as well HFCR or HCFR also get that backwards
post #4159 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post

No matter how good reviews are + owners opinions + people (with alot and proven knowledge in the AVS world) that have had a change of "playing" thoroughly with the F8500..... Haters gonna hate....

Right now i see that the F8500 is exactly what i am looking for (seems that it fits like a glove to my viewing conditions. We never watch movies/TV in complete darkness. Guess i´m not the only one).

My "trusty old" C8000 LCD has been very nice the last 3 years (true that it doesn´t cope well with very "dark movies" but for the most part it still looks great) so just to think that i´ll get the brightness and "pop" of my LCD, the sense of "clarity and sharpness" (hard to explain), but none of the shortcomings of LCD/edge LED technology + the advantages of plasma technology, and well..... my mouth starts watering tongue.gif
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder wink.gif, with this being said, from day one i liked a lot the design of the F8500, but i reckon is not the most practical, and some people might have to buy a new stand, luckily mine is big enough (just).

Regards

same, same, same!! 'beer' holder, classic! wink.gif
post #4160 of 11459
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I like Calman very good workflow help etc, chromapure has it merits also. There is free software as well HFCR or HCFR also get that backwards

I couldn't use Chromapure with my retail meter frown.gif
post #4161 of 11459
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I couldn't use Chromapure with my retail meter frown.gif

They are stricter I believe with the meter licenses
post #4162 of 11459
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

FYI anyone using Samsung Apps such as Netflix, calibrated settings do not transpose over. I think the TV regards it as a separate 'input' from the HDMI inputs.

I copied my calibrated settings over and the Super HD really does look good.

Oh crap I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the heads up!
post #4163 of 11459
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

I'm not getting too hung up on blacks, mine looks incredible and I like these comments in the review

So, scientific testing reveals that Samsung has made yet another huge improvement to both ends of the contrast performance spectrum on the PS64F8500. It has astonishingly deep blacks, and whites that are insanely bright for a plasma display of this screen size. It’s a serious achievement, and it means that when both ends of the contrast spectrum are taken into account, Samsung is in first place ahead of Panasonic.
David didn't take the 60ZT65 into account.
post #4164 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

David didn't take the 60ZT65 into account.

becasue he hasnt reviewed it maybe? wink.gif once he does maybe the statement will change.....
post #4165 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Turrican4D View Post

David didn't take the 60ZT65 into account.

I don't think a ZT would suit me, I doubt it would go bright enough for my liking
post #4166 of 11459
something I didnt catch until I saw the settings CNET posted:

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-591962/samsung-pn60f8500-picture-settings/
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TV software/firmware version tested: 1017

which is supposedly the firmware that fixes the "fluctuations\pops"......interesting to say the least....
post #4167 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

something I didnt catch until I saw the settings CNET posted:

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-591962/samsung-pn60f8500-picture-settings/
which is supposedly the firmware that fixes the "fluctuations\pops"......interesting to say the least....

No brightness pops noticed, that's very encouraging
post #4168 of 11459
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64f8500-201305012945.htm

Hdtvtest review, just missed reference status due to the brightness pops, damn

Yes, but perhaps more importantly, they seemed to think the 8500 was the most OLED-like picture out there. Reference level or not, that's a hell of an endorsement!
post #4169 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

I expected better of the black level of the F8500 measured after calibration, ST60 is a better ... wink.gif

I think I'd take the more OLED-like picture. smile.gif
post #4170 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Yes, but perhaps more importantly, they seemed to think the 8500 was the most OLED-like picture out there. Reference level or not, that's a hell of an endorsement!

Exactly, I think he's looking to bump it up to reference though once the pops get sorted
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