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post #4351 of 11444
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

Well went back to koeleman elektro in mijdrecht today, armed with the instructions how to set the eco sensor from suggestion from Florida man.

Implemented ECO Sensor setting and WOW did that set come alive what a difference UNBELIEVABLE NOW I know what the US hype is all about....man is this a nice set

Its bright its Black it Sharp its the best Plasma TV I have ever seen, bar none.

I suggest if youre needing a new TV take a look at either the PS51F8500 or the PS64F8500. You wont be sorry. Also read the 4 or 5 reviews now on this TV its just GREAT!!!!!!!

Wow

Rob

Hey Rob, glad to see that in your third visit and after applying the changes you saw what you wanted to see.

A big thank you to Florida Man for his instruction on the eco sensor. I will keep that in mind too.
post #4352 of 11444
Regarding Cnet's disposition towards the two mfr's in general, what I find rather interesting is that even with their very complimentary statements regarding the 8500's picture quality, even slightly preferred overall to the ST60 IIRC, they still DO NOT have it listed as one of their best PQ TV's:
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-plasma-tvs/

Now that might just be down to them not having the time to update the list yet. But I could have sworn as soon as the ST60 review went up so was the "Best PQ" list updated.
post #4353 of 11444
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

wondered if i was the only one that noticed that too!! he did same 'similar priced' to vt... but i bet that wont be 'very expensive' in the con remarks when its reviewed!

For VT50 they made a justification to its price by saying
"Although expensive, it costs much less than comparable LED and especially forthcoming OLED models."
post #4354 of 11444
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Originally Posted by whiznant View Post

thats what I was gonna say. They must have mentioned how extremely expensive it was at least 5 times in the first few paragraphs. Curious, given its the same price as the vt60. I also find it peculiar that even though they haven't reviewed the vt, he was comparing it. Huh.

I think both the reviews of VT and ZT were months ago ready smile.gif they just need to put the calibration measurement numbers and all is done
post #4355 of 11444
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Originally Posted by icelt View Post

Regarding Cnet's disposition towards the two mfr's in general, what I find rather interesting is that even with their very complimentary statements regarding the 8500's picture quality, even slightly preferred overall to the ST60 IIRC, they still DO NOT have it listed as one of their best PQ TV's:
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-plasma-tvs/

Now that might just be down to them not having the time to update the list yet. But I could have sworn as soon as the ST60 review went up so was the "Best PQ" list updated.
I know, I know

Isn't that funny? In the best HDTVs, What is Sharp doing in a Panasonic official website? smile.gif
post #4356 of 11444
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

Well went back to koeleman elektro in mijdrecht today, armed with the instructions how to set the eco sensor from suggestion from Florida man.

Implemented ECO Sensor setting and WOW did that set come alive

I presume you are referring to turning ECO off?!
post #4357 of 11444
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I presume you are referring to turning ECO off?!
He did as florida man instructed him:
Turning eco sensor ON
then adjust cell light to 20
Then turn eco sensor OFF

Then viola got the PQ which was hidden
post #4358 of 11444
cnet review is a strange bird...

"The measurement of the F8500's near-black (5 percent) was also among the best I've ever seen, leading to pleasingly neutral dark areas and shadows. Of course, most of the others were also extremely good in this area, but the F8500 was just a bit better."

yet in the 'geek box test' this area is only rated 'good'... hmmmm
post #4359 of 11444
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jeff Peake View Post

I purchased a 65" VT60, after having the F8500 at home for one day.
I know I am happy with that choice.........
post #4360 of 11444
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

cnet review is a strange bird...

"The measurement of the F8500's near-black (5 percent) was also among the best I've ever seen, leading to pleasingly neutral dark areas and shadows. Of course, most of the others were also extremely good in this area, but the F8500 was just a bit better."

yet in the 'geek box test' this area is only rated 'good'... hmmmm

That review is very positive according to some. As I said, it is positive somehow but very biased in every way unlike the Hdtv review.

Cnet review = honey mixed with a large dose of poison
post #4361 of 11444
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Then viola got the PQ which was hidden

I must have missed the memo sorry. I presume a bug. I notice no difference performing those steps.
post #4362 of 11444
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I must have missed the memo sorry. I presume a bug. I notice no difference performing those steps.

Yes this seems to be a bug which affects the PQ. I guess when the cell light is adjusted below 20 while eco sensor is on it will get stuck to that level, so turning the sensor off will have no effect on PQ, but doing those steps makes the PQ back to normal.

You are having the correct PQ thats why there is no difference
post #4363 of 11444
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I must have missed the memo sorry. I presume a bug. I notice no difference performing those steps.

i don't either, i performed this on my 1st set with no difference and now on my 2nd set with the same results.
post #4364 of 11444
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

i don't either, i performed this on my 1st set with no difference and now on my 2nd set with the same results.

guys, this is a fix only for those who found the set dim regardless of how high they set the brightness and cell light. Not an across the board upgrade to pq for everyone.
Edited by mightymouseusf - 5/2/13 at 1:43pm
post #4365 of 11444
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Originally Posted by Jeff Peake View Post


After I viewed both sets, I read the reviews on AVForums, and they measured the VT65 (UK version) at 11,300:1 ansi contrast. The F8500 measured 7,821:1. To me the VT60's improved contrast ratio is more important than the F8500s higher max brightness....

wow those numbers look lower than what the NA models are boasting I believe (in ansi), but I don't have them handy either .
post #4366 of 11444
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

guys, this is a fix only for those who found the set dim regardless of how high they set the brightness and cell light. Not an across the board upgrade to pq for everyone.

You don't say biggrin.gif
post #4367 of 11444
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

wow those numbers look lower than what the NA models are boasting I believe (in ansi), but I don't have them handy either .

For the F8500, it is lower than what Chad and Kevin got I believe, but with different meteres etc you really cant tell much...
post #4368 of 11444
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

You don't say biggrin.gif

Sorry if I came off condescending, not my intention, it seemed from the wording that you and he thought that was just a fix for everyone. Looking back at it now I see it was silly. Apologies.
post #4369 of 11444
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

For the F8500, it is lower than what Chad and Kevin got I believe, but with different meteres etc you really cant tell much...

i'd say different models, north american versus EU models would be more of an issue than the meters first though, wouldn't you?
post #4370 of 11444
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

i'd say different models, north american versus EU models would be more of an issue than the meters first though, wouldn't you?

Meters, environment, modes, etc could all have an effect on the readings.....Usually the NA models have less restrictions, we should get a good idea of how things match up when Chad releases his VT60 review as well as the shootout next week.
post #4371 of 11444
Well, I must admit I question the sincerity of the CNET F8500 review...for two obvious reasons:

1) The F8500 has a totally unique panel design which provides the clearest, brightest, most detailed picture ever seen on a plasma.

2) The smart interface on the set is the fastest most functional ever developed for a tv.

For CNET to not even mention those features is a big red flag, at least to me. I've lived with the set for over a month now and have a good handle of it's strengths and weaknesses If you only read their review, you would have no idea there is really anything innovative about this set, other than brightness. They did not even mention clarity, which is it's single the most impressive feature...at least to me, it's what everyone mentioned about the picture when they saw it while I was in the store.

I just don't believe that could possibly be a sincere review. For them never to use the words clarity or detail just doesn't ring true to me....they are the first and most obvious things you notice about the set when you turn it on. I may still end up with the ZT60 before it's all said and done, but I will certainly not base my decision on a CNET review...that's for !@%!&@!% sure!
post #4372 of 11444
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Meters, environment, modes, etc could all have an effect on the readings.....Usually the NA models have less restrictions, we should get a good idea of how things match up when Chad releases his VT60 review as well as the shootout next week.

Yeah definitely need to wait for new numbers. My vt50 ansi contrast is ansi 16,500:1 from last year's shootout. Maybe the calibration and better tools is the reason.
post #4373 of 11444
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

Sorry if I came off condescending, not my intention, it seemed from the wording that you and he thought that was just a fix for everyone. Looking back at it now I see it was silly. Apologies.

Not at all smile.gif
My dry humor apologies.
post #4374 of 11444
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I presume you are referring to turning ECO off?!
Yes and NO,
You have to set the sensor ON then change the range from 0 to 20 and then turn off the sensor again.

Rob
post #4375 of 11444
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Well, I must admit I question the sincerity of the CNET F8500 review...for two obvious reasons:

1) The F8500 has a totally unique panel design which provides the clearest, brightest, most detailed picture ever seen on a plasma.

2) The smart interface on the set is the fastest most functional ever developed for a tv.

For CNET to not even mention those features is a big red flag, at least to me. I've lived with the set for over a month now and have a good handle of it's strengths and weaknesses ...

I looked at this tv (64" and 60" versions) today. What stood out to me were the whites (compared to a GT50 below), the sharpness (watching a Will Smith movie clip, the pores on the actors faces was apparent on the F8500, but not the GT50), and the brightness. I didn't have a chance to play with remote, so I don't know what settings were used.

Anyway, would you mind sharing what you feel are the WEAKNESSES of the TV? I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.
post #4376 of 11444
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Well, I must admit I question the sincerity of the CNET F8500 review...for two obvious reasons:

1) The F8500 has a totally unique panel design which provides the clearest, brightest, most detailed picture ever seen on a plasma.

2) The smart interface on the set is the fastest most functional ever developed for a tv.

For CNET to not even mention those features is a big red flag, at least to me. I've lived with the set for over a month now and have a good handle of it's strengths and weaknesses If you only read their review, you would have no idea there is really anything innovative about this set, other than brightness. They did not even mention clarity, which is it's single the most impressive feature...at least to me, it's what everyone mentioned about the picture when they saw it while I was in the store.

I just don't believe that could possibly be a sincere review. For them never to use the words clarity or detail just doesn't ring true to me....they are the first and most obvious things you notice about the set when you turn it on. I may still end up with the ZT60 before it's all said and done, but I will certainly not base my decision on a CNET review...that's for !@%!&@!% sure!

not only that but did you read my post 4372? just one of the few contradictions i found!
post #4377 of 11444
I was on the fence which to get the PN 51F5500 OR PN51F8500 i was torn because i ended up getting the PN 51F5500 and wasn't sure i was going to keep it as i was not that impressed i got home and now I just had a firmware update.

1.This firmware is for TV Model(s): LED F5500/F6300/F6350/F6400/F6800/F7050/F7010, PDP F5500
2.The version is 1102.1
3.This firmware update will improve the following:

- Improves picture quality.

- Resolves compatibility issue with Fitness Game Bike

i must say that the improvement in picture quality has solidified my choice in buying this PN51F5500 i know there will be more updates.
if I could afford the price i would have bought the F8500 if i had not just gotten the E8000 last May i would have gone with the F8500.
so here i am I have a PN60E8000 and a PN51F5500 and very happy with my choices.
Edited by bargervais - 5/2/13 at 3:58pm
post #4378 of 11444
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

Kuro black level is always better than F8500 ... cool.gif

Of course, nothing better than a Kuro. I think even the power plugs are the best.
Our Kuro power plug has been plugged for five and a half years. So far, no plugging problems. We worry, if we ever do unplug our plugged Kuro, that it will effect it's black levels and that it will introduce red tint into it's blacks. eek.gifbiggrin.gif
post #4379 of 11444
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post


Honestly I just dont care that much about trying to put someone else down to make myself feel better. It does become annoying though, when the same people, say the same things over and over and over....I could understand if people were trying to start a good debate, Im all for it, but this is ridiculous......
Use the little red flag. Over time it works.

Once upon a time there was a person that caused so much trouble, arguing exactly the same point over and over again, that he was banned from AVS. He was a clever fellow, and just opened a new user name. Of course, his message remained identical, so the first member to spot one of his posts would flag it, and recommend to that thread that no one respond. The administrators would immediately kill the new user name. It probably took a couple dozen new user names before he gave up. For one thing, he was no longer getting the reaction that he craved.

I've alway assumed that this character was male. I can't imagine a woman being that stubborn and ineffective. wink.gif
post #4380 of 11444
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Use the little red flag. Over time it works.

Once upon a time there was a person that caused so much trouble, arguing exactly the same point over and over again, that he was banned from AVS. He was a clever fellow, and just opened a new user name. Of course, his message remained identical, so the first member to spot one of his posts would flag it, and recommend to that thread that no one respond. The administrators would immediately kill the new user name. It probably took a couple dozen new user names before he gave up. For one thing, he was no longer getting the reaction that he craved.

I've alway assumed that this character was male. I can't imagine a woman being that stubborn and ineffective. wink.gif

I'm a moderator on another forum. When these situations arise the IP addresses are checked and if they match they are banned. If they are smart enough to come back with a false IP their posts are as recognizable as fingerprints and they don't last very long.
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