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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Use the little red flag. Over time it works.

Once upon a time there was a person that caused so much trouble, arguing exactly the same point over and over again, that he was banned from AVS. He was a clever fellow, and just opened a new user name. Of course, his message remained identical, so the first member to spot one of his posts would flag it, and recommend to that thread that no one respond. The administrators would immediately kill the new user name. It probably took a couple dozen new user names before he gave up. For one thing, he was no longer getting the reaction that he craved.

I've alway assumed that this character was male. I can't imagine a woman being that stubborn and ineffective. wink.gif

LOL!!! (at the last comment)

I dont think Ive ever reported someone unless its really bad and the attacks become personal...usually its jsut to merge\move threads wink.gif Ive found that the "block" feature works wonders as well wink.gif

Not sure if they have it here, but I do know mods can ban by IP as well, this is when someone would get a "perma" ban, instead of just ban from a certain thread....

Most posters will eventually revert back to thier old style and for those members that have been around for a bit, they are easy to spot....

IMO what we ahve seen is nothing compared to what wil happen during\after the shootout, as they say "Winter is Coming" wink.gif
post #4382 of 11462
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

I'm a moderator on another forum. When these situations arise the IP addresses are checked and if they match they are banned. If they are smart enough to come back with a false IP their posts are as recognizable as fingerprints and they don't last very long.

^^^ This....smile.gif
post #4383 of 11462
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Use the little red flag. Over time it works.

Once upon a time there was a person that caused so much trouble, arguing exactly the same point over and over again, that he was banned from AVS. He was a clever fellow, and just opened a new user name. Of course, his message remained identical, so the first member to spot one of his posts would flag it, and recommend to that thread that no one respond. The administrators would immediately kill the new user name. It probably took a couple dozen new user names before he gave up. For one thing, he was no longer getting the reaction that he craved.

I've alway assumed that this character was male. I can't imagine a woman being that stubborn and ineffective. wink.gif

this always works over time. stop feeding the fire fuel, and it eventually goes out.smile.gif I suggest others to do the same.
post #4384 of 11462
Well Chads review pushed me a little closer to the F8500.....I need a versitile set as the room its going into can get very bright for most of the day. While I really wish we could ahve both high luminance and very low MLL) I know that probably wont happen until OLED hits the market.....The "dark side" still temps me though biggrin.gif goign to be a difficult decision....
post #4385 of 11462
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I'm a moderator on another forum. When these situations arise the IP addresses are checked and if they match they are banned. If they are smart enough to come back with a false IP their posts are as recognizable as fingerprints and they don't last very long.
During the time I was referring to it took team work to get the job done. What really worked best was denying him the pleasure of angry replies.
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

During the time I was referring to it took team work to get the job done. What really worked best was denying him the pleasure of angry replies.

We wouldn't be referring to the most famous Panny troll of all would we ? smile.gif
post #4387 of 11462
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

LOL!!! (at the last comment)
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I dont think Ive ever reported someone unless its really bad and the attacks become personal...usually its jsut to merge\move threads wink.gif Ive found that the "block" feature works wonders as well wink.gif
I do about the same thing unless it seems that a thread is in danger of disintergration. There have been threads locked out in the past.
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Not sure if they have it here, but I do know mods can ban by IP as well, this is when someone would get a "perma" ban, instead of just ban from a certain thread....
They do, and it's used to keep individuals out of some threads much more often than to keep them out of AVS.
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Most posters will eventually revert back to thier old style and for those members that have been around for a bit, they are easy to spot....
Like you, those members don't engage in long arguments with that type of character. Unfortunatly there are always members who feel that they should set the agitator straight -- which is exactly what the agitator is looking for. eek.gif
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IMO what we ahve seen is nothing compared to what wil happen during\after the shootout, as they say "Winter is Coming" wink.gif
The ground work is already being laid in the form of disagreement with what ever procedure the shootout uses. eek.gif

As a famous American once said, "Can't we just get along and give technical help." smile.gif
post #4388 of 11462
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

During the time I was referring to it took team work to get the job done. What really worked best was denying him the pleasure of angry replies.

We wouldn't be referring to the most famous Panny troll of all would we ? smile.gif
Maybe, but it was several years ago. I seem to have blocked his exact issue out of my mind. What ever it was, he would insert a diatribe against the manufacturer that he hated into the most amazingly inappropriate threads. That's what he was doing toward the end when he was starving for the love and affection that he craved. There is an untold aspect to the story that I'm saving for the book I'm writing. eek.gif
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I wish it were that easy smile.gif spirited debate is welcome makes things interesting and allows you to see things from a different perspective...Sometimes as we have seen, things get out of hand quickly...The groundwork has for sure been laid, hopefully things can be kept civil wink.gif
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

We wouldn't be referring to the most famous Panny troll of all would we ? smile.gif

Yea I got spanked {mod pulled my post} for firing off at the troll with both barrels.. eek.gif

Back on topic, my TV apparently got update this morning without knowing, when I shut it off this afternoon it said "Updating camera" which struck me funny so when if finished and shut off I went back in and checked the firmware and low and behold it said 1101 but not 1101.2? Wondering why it didn't update to the .2 version?
post #4391 of 11462
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

wink.gif
I do about the same thing unless it seems that a thread is in danger of disintergration. There have been threads locked out in the past.
They do, and it's used to keep individuals out of some threads much more often than to keep them out of AVS.
Like you, those members don't engage in long arguments with that type of character. Unfortunatly there are always members who feel that they should set the agitator straight -- which is exactly what the agitator is looking for. eek.gif
The ground work is already being laid in the form of disagreement with what ever procedure the shootout uses. eek.gif

As a famous American once said, "Can't we just get along and give technical help." q:):)uote]

well said
post #4392 of 11462
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Originally Posted by kps88user View Post


Anyway, would you mind sharing what you feel are the WEAKNESSES of the TV? I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.

Even with it's weaknesses, it's still the best set I've owned, but here is what bothers me sometimes:

1) Brightness pops while panning scenes with white backgrounds...like hockey and golf.*

2) Blacks are a bit dominate in dark scenes. For example, while watching a movie, you couldn't ask for a brighter, clearer daytime scene, then the picture appears too dark in the evening.*

*Please be aware there is a firmware update expected within a week that will address these two common issues.

3) I takes a while to get used to the added clarity and detail...it's different and sometimes provides more detail than you would like to see. For example, an unattractive woman will appear even more unattractive when you see her face in vivid detail eek.gif Added detail also makes it easier to see props...like a fake tree or bush.

4) Reflections of light, off a bald man's head for example, are more pronounced. Another example, the stage lights used in a scene can be more noticeable. You will sometimes notice them reflecting off of chairs, tables, even peoples faces...and they are brighter than usual.

Please don't confuse #4 with the anti-reflective properties of the screen, which are the best I've ever seen.

That's about it...hope it helps you.
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Yea I got spanked {mod pulled my post} for firing off at the troll with both barrels.. eek.gif

Back on topic, my TV apparently got update this morning without knowing, when I shut it off this afternoon it said "Updating camera" which struck me funny so when if finished and shut off I went back in and checked the firmware and low and behold it said 1101 but not 1101.2? Wondering why it didn't update to the .2 version?

That is interesting, your not the 1st person to report this either....
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Even with it's weaknesses, it's still the best set I've owned, but here is what bothers me sometimes:

1) Brightness pops while panning scenes with white backgrounds...like hockey and golf.*

2) Blacks are a bit dominate in dark scenes. For example, while watching a movie, you couldn't ask for a brighter, clearer daytime scene, then the picture appears too dark in the evening.*

*Please be aware there is a firmware update expected within a week that will address these two common issues.

3) I takes a while to get used to the added clarity and detail...it's different and sometimes provides more detail than you would like to see. For example, an unattractive woman will appear even more unattractive when you see her face in vivid detail eek.gif Added detail also makes it easier to see props...like a fake tree or bush.

4) Reflections of light, off a bald man's head for example, are more pronounced. Another example, the stage lights used in a scene can be more noticeable. You will sometimes notice them reflecting off of chairs, tables, even peoples faces...and they are brighter than usual.

Please don't confuse #4 with the anti-reflective properties of the screen, which are the best I've ever seen.

That's about it...hope it helps you.

Cellulite in 1080p eekk smile.gif
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Cellulite in 1080p eekk smile.gif

That's for sure! mad.gif
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post


4) Reflections of light, off a bald man's head for example, are more pronounced. Another example, the stage lights used in a scene can be more noticeable. You will sometimes notice them reflecting off of chairs, tables, even peoples faces...and they are brighter than usual.

For the record, this is my #1 issue with the set. The reflections can make complexions abnormally white and bright. Maybe the firmware update will help with that as well...we'll see. rolleyes.gif
post #4397 of 11462
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Originally Posted by remush View Post

I wouldn't trust my colormunki display to measure accurate mll

Why not? I've never heard anything about the ColorMunki Display having trouble measuring MLL, and I've had no problem with my own ColorMunki Display when measuring MLL. It should be able to measure down to ~0.001 fL. From ChromaPure: "Another area in which the Display 3 excels is low-light sensitivity... To test this I used the AccuPel DVG-5000 video test pattern generator to feed increasing lower intensity signals to a Pioneer Kuro, the champ of low black-level displays. The results of this test confirm that the Display 3 reads down to 0.003 cd/m2, or 0.001 ft-L."

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Originally Posted by remush View Post

do you know the numbers for the Colormunki? If similar, what is the best way to measure it accurately, im assuming it would have to be at night with no ambient light whatsoever, and full field at 0%

They are the same meter. The ColorMunki Display is crippled to to be slower, but the accuracy is the same. I don't understand why you would be getting such a high reading... bright ambient light?
Edited by MechanicalMan - 5/2/13 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

For the record, this is my #1 issue with the set. The reflections can make complexions abnormally white and bright. Maybe the firmware update will help with that as well...we'll see. rolleyes.gif

Thank goodness we live in Florida with good tans so canera lights don't reflect off our head.
smile.gif
post #4399 of 11462
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

For the record, this is my #1 issue with the set. The reflections can make complexions abnormally white and bright. Maybe the firmware update will help with that as well...we'll see. rolleyes.gif

I think I saw this myself when I had the F8500. Its just so bright, that reflections or something like that cause some issues. The set can almost be too bright, especially when there are some very dark and very bright images on the screen at the same time. But I would guess 95% of the time having all that brightness is a good thing, but sometimes its overpowering.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Peake View Post

I think I saw this myself when I had the F8500. Its just so bright, that reflections or something like that cause some issues. The set can almost be too bright, especially when there are some very dark and very bright images on the screen at the same time. But I would guess 95% of the time having all that brightness is a good thing, but sometimes its overpowering.

I'm assuming dynamic contrast totally defeated? (just checking, not trying to be insulting)
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

That is interesting, your not the 1st person to report this either....

Camera updated on mine as well when I attempted to turn it off before bed and after it updated to 1101 firmware,
post #4402 of 11462
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Cellulite in 1080p eekk smile.gif

That's for sure! mad.gif
Beer bellies in 1080p. eek.gif
post #4403 of 11462
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Even with it's weaknesses, it's still the best set I've owned, but here is what bothers me sometimes:


That's about it...hope it helps you.

Thanks Jackobots - very helpful!

I'll be sure not to "allow" any ugly women on the screen wink.gifbiggrin.gif

I still wish to see the ZT60 before making my purchase, but if I had to purchase today, I'd get the F8500...it just looked more....'accurate' than the GT50 and VT60 in it's vicinity. There's a boutique AV shop in my area that will have calibrated versions of each of the Panny's plus the Samsung. I look forward to seeing these tvs at their best!
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Originally Posted by MechanicalMan View Post

Why not? I've never heard anything about the ColorMunki Display having trouble measuring MLL, and I've had no problem with my own ColorMunki Display when measuring MLL. It should be able to measure down to ~0.001 fL. From ChromaPure: "Another area in which the Display 3 excels is low-light sensitivity... To test this I used the AccuPel DVG-5000 video test pattern generator to feed increasing lower intensity signals to a Pioneer Kuro, the champ of low black-level displays. The results of this test confirm that the Display 3 reads down to 0.003 cd/m2, or 0.001 ft-L."
They are the same meter. The ColorMunki Display is crippled to to be slower, but the accuracy is the same. I don't understand why you would be getting such a high reading... bright ambient light?

Ok, good to hear that its able to measure accurate MLL, was told otherwise.

In that case, ya it has to be the light in the room, I measured in a bright room so there was a significant amount of ambient light (4 windows,1pm, sunny day), I will take it through some more tests during my evening viewing conditions, and in a completely dark room to see what kind of black levels i can squeeze out. Ill have some time either tomorrow or saturday and share the measurements.
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Yea I got spanked {mod pulled my post} for firing off at the troll with both barrels.. eek.gif

Back on topic, my TV apparently got update this morning without knowing, when I shut it off this afternoon it said "Updating camera" which struck me funny so when if finished and shut off I went back in and checked the firmware and low and behold it said 1101 but not 1101.2? Wondering why it didn't update to the .2 version?

i think its like previous updates... we just cant 'see' the .2 part of that line? correct me if im wrong here! not sure where how to check this
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found it... go to support, self diagnosis, picture test, after pict shown, then select 'yes'... will then show all the info
post #4407 of 11462
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Yes, I know. I've seen your opinions on how to set Sharpness and that if YOU can't see the bad color tracking on the Elite that makes it okay.

But, this is supposed to be a science forum.

I did NOT say it was OK for others. It was fine for me and fine for the overwhelming majority of owners. I don't know why you insist on putting words in my mouth.

And what are my opinions on 'how to set sharpness'?

BTW, if you insist on 'science', I see nothing that indicates "THX" is science. These are the same guys that "THX certified" the display you love to knock for color. Yeah, THX, right.
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

cnet review is a strange bird...

"The measurement of the F8500's near-black (5 percent) was also among the best I've ever seen, leading to pleasingly neutral dark areas and shadows. Of course, most of the others were also extremely good in this area, but the F8500 was just a bit better."

yet in the 'geek box test' this area is only rated 'good'... hmmmm

I've given up trying to understand the lack of consistency in reviews...not just CNET's.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

Thank goodness we live in Florida with good tans so canera lights don't reflect off our head.
smile.gif
Was raining today, could not work on my Florida tan frown.gif
post #4410 of 11462
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

I'm assuming dynamic contrast totally defeated? (just checking, not trying to be insulting)

I imagine it may be an issue that can be resolved with calibration as well
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