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From the recent review "it won’t draw your attention to the picture itself"

IMO, it's quite the opposite, really surprised with that statement.
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Originally Posted by remush View Post

From the recent review "it won’t draw your attention to the picture itself"

IMO, it's quite the opposite, really surprised with that statement.

Amateur review.
post #4443 of 11457
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Originally Posted by mfogarty5 View Post

I currently have a 46 inch xbr 5 and have the upgrade itch, but haven't had time to get over to magnolia to see the vt60 and 8500. Last night I was in a restaurant which had an lg 60 inch plasma and the judder was one of the first things I noticed about it. I agree Ken that it just doesn't seem natural. The other thing I noticed was the inability of the plasma to hold a stationary image constant. The image flickered and reminded me of a CRT refreshing scan lines. If both of these are inherent to plasma technology then I guess I will either have to look at an edge lit Led with their awful viewing angles or wait until oled becomes more mainstream.

I'm coming from a 34" XBR960, the image quality king way back in 2003!, and comparing it to my new 60E8000 there is no comparison in regards to image stability. The 960, when viewed close enough, definitely had visible scan lines and a little flicker as well that was just inherent to CRT technology.

The E8000, none of that. Rock-friggin-solid. I don't know the LG plasmas so I can't comment regarding what you were seeing in the restaurant, but I will say it is possible for a plasma TV to display a perfectly stable image when viewed at normal distances. If that sounds like a caveat it is not meant to be, just being honest to the technology because if you get a couple of inches away from my 8000 you can see a dithering effect. However beginning at about 4 or 5 feet away though, it's effectively invisible to the human eye. Well at least my human eyes wink.gif
post #4444 of 11457
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

No not really I have had a 2008 panasonic, but was HD READY only, so it made room for a 42inch Pana VT30, but the problems
with 50HZ and fuzzy TV pictures and numerous other problems caused me to return the VT30 for a refund that was in 2011.
Then with the refund from the VT30 I bought my current Sammy PS51D8000.

The sammy has been and stil is a super nice Plasma but i have a very bright living room, so i have the need for more briteness.

Well thats where the F8500 comes in, and I am convinced I am gonna buy one, only thing that governs the actual purchase
is the pricing, the sooner they come down to what I can afford the sooner I will have one.
But knowing that the prices wwont come down before september maybe oktober I will most l;ikely have to wait till then.

Rob

You can make use of the Buydig deal mentioned a few pages ago. I think it was like $500 off. That's assuming of course you're willing do dig through the last few pages to find the coupon code and the promotion is still running.
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

You can make use of the Buydig deal mentioned a few pages ago. I think it was like $500 off. That's assuming of course you're willing do dig through the last few pages to find the coupon code and the promotion is still running.

Nope is not valid in The Netherlands , I looked already, its valid only in the USA eek.gif

Rob
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i just finished reading this artical about the future of Panasonic Plasma

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57575459-221/how-long-will-panasonic-keep-making-plasma-tvs/

it would be a shame if they stopped selling them i think we need good competion IMO samsung is developing better and better Plasmas becaus of the strong competition to try to out do each other thus the PN60F8500
so if all we have left is Samsung and LG ?????

and have you noticed that this years Plasma and LED are almost the same in price, not sure if LED's are dropping in price or Plasmas are getting more expencive.
This is my thought for today
post #4447 of 11457
Plasma in general is on its "way out"....Once OLED becomes viable, IMO that is when we will see the real last nail in the coffin......

The Panasonic new is kind of old and has been discussed to death wink.gif They are at least making Plasmas until the 2014-2015 line so really you ahve 1-2 generations of TVs to look forwward to. Until OLED can be a successor I dont think they'll stop making any of the Plasmas they are. We are at a point of diminishing returns however as we are reaching teh max potential of the technology. So improvements if any will be slight IMO in the coming generations.....
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

i just finished reading this artical about the future of Panasonic Plasma

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57575459-221/how-long-will-panasonic-keep-making-plasma-tvs/

it would be a shame if they stopped selling them i think we need good competion IMO samsung is developing better and better Plasmas becaus of the strong competition to try to out do each other thus the PN60F8500
so if all we have left is Samsung and LG ?????

and have you noticed that this years Plasma and LED are almost the same in price, not sure if LED's are dropping in price or Plasmas are getting more expencive.
This is my thought for today

Little off topic, but you still have your E8000 correct barge? If so do you notice any faintly pinkish areas when it displays pure white? If so again, have you done anything about it or spoken with tech support about it? I'm just trying to gauge if it is a panel fault or possibly just a "normal" niggle with this particular design.
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Originally Posted by icelt View Post

Little off topic, but you still have your E8000 correct barge? If so do you notice any faintly pinkish areas when it displays pure white? If so again, have you done anything about it or spoken with tech support about it? I'm just trying to gauge if it is a panel fault or possibly just a "normal" niggle with this particular design.

I know it was a little off topic but my point was with the competion that Samsung has with panasonic that why samsung keeps striving to get their plasmas better and better thus the birth of this years F8500
i will check any pinkish in whites on my E8000 i didn't notice any i will look a little harder
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Plasma in general is on its "way out"....Once OLED becomes viable, IMO that is when we will see the real last nail in the coffin......
Same can probably be said for LED and any remaining LCD's.
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

I know it was a little off topic but my point was with the competion that Samsung has with panasonic that why samsung keeps striving to get their plasmas better and better thus the birth of this years F8500
i will check any pinkish in whites on my E8000 i didn't notice any i will look a little harder

Lol sorry. No I meant my post was a little off topic, not yours. For what it is worth I agree with your commentary on the benefits of manufacturer competition being good for the consumer smile.gif

Thanks for looking though, I do appreciate it.
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Lol sorry. No I meant my post was a little off topic, not yours. For what it is worth I agree with your commentary on the benefits of manufacturer competition being good for the consumer smile.gif

Thanks for looking though, I do appreciate it.
i realized that after i had posted LOL But i'll check
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Sis??? smile.gif
Another good review except again expensive is noted as a bad??? This is a top of the line TV and on par with other companies top of the line pricing.. Also kinda baffled by the "bright whites" comment, this tv has the brightest whites I've ever seen on ANY plasmas!!
Call me crazy but Samsung could/should have dumped the voice and gesturing stuff, who really uses it and lord knows its been a thorn in its side in every review since they started adding it to their TVs..

wink.gif it was late! the obvious escaped me!
wonder really how many actually do use gesture and voice stuff... i probably never will!
havent read the article yet but feel same about cnets review. contradictions abound throughout.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Same can probably be said for LED and any remaining LCD's.

Agreed, unless they keep LCD (I group "LED" with LCD) as a low cost alternative for the masses, it should last awhile....
post #4455 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Agreed, unless they keep LCD (I group "LED" with LCD) as a low cost alternative for the masses, it should last awhile....

I envision something like that.
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

Youre welcome, glad to be of some help. Does that work on the F8500 as well then???

Rob

sure does! i think its the same menu system as the D and E series...
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

sure does! i think its the same menu system as the D and E series...

Well the basics are the same menu system, its just that the f8500 has the latest visual update and the latest needed options for this BRIGHT tv !!

Its good that it works the same then, I hadnt tried the better way on the demo F8500, thats why I asked.

Rob
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

Well the basics are the same menu system, its just that the f8500 has the latest visual update and the latest needed options for this BRIGHT tv !!

Its good that it works the same then, I hadnt tried the better way on the demo F8500, thats why I asked.

Rob

details, details lol! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Your correct ljmart, just did as you described and it is the 1101.2 fw.. thanks bro smile.gif

sidenote, we(wife, myself, daughters and their BFs) finally opened and assembled the 4 pairs of 3D glasses tonight and checked out the 3D movies in SmartHub and we were all WOWed, the detail in the ocean and African movies were truly amazing ..

Wait until you see something off blu-ray if you haven't already. The latest 3D releases (Life of Pi, Hobbit, Hugo, etc) will blow your mind. I think a lot of people don't think they like 3D...until they see the latest generation done "right", both from the standpoint of content and display tech.

Cameron, Scorsese, Jackson, Scott, and Pixar (in general) all see it as a viable and legitimate movie technology going forward as opposed to the gimmicky curiosity a lot of folks seem to feel it is. It is arguably how some directors actually intend for some of their creations to be viewed. Hugo, for example, was designed to be seen in 3D, as was the Hobbit, Prometheus and others.

With as concerned as many are about the "as the director intended" factor - 3D quality should arguably be a bigger factor in more people's buying decisions (unless you only watch classic films or don't respond well physiologically to 3D).

Just food for thought. YMMV. But everyone who has watched 3D at my house on 2012 and later sets were like "holy crap - I didn't know TVs could do this!) Wow'd indeed.
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Wait until you see something off blu-ray if you haven't already. The latest 3D releases (Life of Pi, Hobbit, Hugo, etc) will blow your mind. I think a lot of people don't think they like 3D...until they see the latest generation done "right", both from the standpoint of content and display tech.

Cameron, Scorsese, Jackson, Scott, and Pixar (in general) all see it as a viable and legitimate movie technology going forward as opposed to the gimmicky curiosity a lot of folks seem to feel it is. It is arguably how some directors actually intend for some of their creations to be viewed. Hugo, for example, was designed to be seen in 3D, as was the Hobbit, Prometheus and others.

With as concerned as many are about the "as the director intended" factor - 3D quality should arguably be a bigger factor in more people's buying decisions (unless you only watch classic films or don't respond well physiologically to 3D).

Just food for thought. YMMV. But everyone who has watched 3D at my house on 2012 and later sets were like "holy crap - I didn't know TVs could do this!) Wow'd indeed.

thanks for these suggestions and info. hoping i can find some decent pricing on them! only 3D bluray i have is ultimate wave tahiti. its very good but would like to have a few of the ones you suggested. good to know!
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Wait until you see something off blu-ray if you haven't already. The latest 3D releases (Life of Pi, Hobbit, Hugo, etc) will blow your mind. I think a lot of people don't think they like 3D...until they see the latest generation done "right", both from the standpoint of content and display tech..

Just food for thought. YMMV. But everyone who has watched 3D at my house on 2012 and later sets were like "holy crap - I didn't know TVs could do this!) Wow'd indeed.

Thanks, I haven't seen a 3D blu-ray yet but I do have a 3D player I just got to get my hands on one you've mentioned.. I heard the three you mentioned are incredible..
Any recommendations for 3d blu-ray rental sites?
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Agreed, unless they keep LCD (I group "LED" with LCD) as a low cost alternative for the masses, it should last awhile....
Same can be said about plasma wink.gif
post #4463 of 11457
Could someone PM me when the pop fix comes in? 'cause, man, this thread has become exhausting.

seriously, thanks.
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Wait until you see something off blu-ray if you haven't already. The latest 3D releases (Life of Pi, Hobbit, Hugo, etc) will blow your mind. I think a lot of people don't think they like 3D...until they see the latest generation done "right", both from the standpoint of content and display tech.

Cameron, Scorsese, Jackson, Scott, and Pixar (in general) all see it as a viable and legitimate movie technology going forward as opposed to the gimmicky curiosity a lot of folks seem to feel it is. It is arguably how some directors actually intend for some of their creations to be viewed. Hugo, for example, was designed to be seen in 3D, as was the Hobbit, Prometheus and others.

With as concerned as many are about the "as the director intended" factor - 3D quality should arguably be a bigger factor in more people's buying decisions (unless you only watch classic films or don't respond well physiologically to 3D).

Just food for thought. YMMV. But everyone who has watched 3D at my house on 2012 and later sets were like "holy crap - I didn't know TVs could do this!) Wow'd indeed.

+1 to this! I couldn't agree more. People have a bad taste in their mouth from the passive 3d tech they see in movie theaters. Active 3d is in a different league.
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They could be describing the contrast ratio being greater on the Panasonics, so the difference between the deepest black and "bright whites" is more dramatic as they put i....

So here's the thing that I think people need to be careful with and we've discussed it before. A halving of the black level with result in a doubling of the CR. Yet the visible nature of that difference in black level may be relatively slight and then only seen in a darkened environment. Obviously the drop in MLL is welcome, but there's the other side of the coin. A doubling in brightness, observable in virtually all environments (and yes, perhaps not utilized in all environments) also results in a doubling of CR. At the level that the best displays are at now in terms of MLLs (they're all in varying stages of 'great'), IMO it might be more beneficial to have achieved that doubling of the CR by doubling brightness.

I know many will disagree, but that's why we have some great choices this year.
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Originally Posted by remush View Post

From the recent review "it won’t draw your attention to the picture itself"

IMO, it's quite the opposite, really surprised with that statement.

Absolutely! Virtually everyone that sees the panel says it does call attention to itself. I really thought that was a weird statement.
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Just food for thought. YMMV. But everyone who has watched 3D at my house on 2012 and later sets were like "holy crap - I didn't know TVs could do this!) Wow'd indeed.

Totally agree with your 3D sentiments in general and especially this last part. Just like BR done right makes one step back and say "damn!" in comparison to DVD so does full 1080P 3D in comparison to whatever method was used before. Saw a demo of Titanic in 3D on a 51F8500 last weekend and it looked damn fine. I might even watch that mediocre film again just to see it in 3D.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

So here's the thing that I think people need to be careful with and we've discussed it before. A halving of the black level with result in a doubling of the CR. Yet the visible nature of that difference in black level may be relatively slight and then only seen in a darkened environment. Obviously the drop in MLL is welcome, but there's the other side of the coin. A doubling in brightness, observable in virtually all environments (and yes, perhaps not utilized in all environments) also results in a doubling of CR. At the level that the best displays are at now in terms of MLLs (they're all in varying stages of 'great'), IMO it might be more beneficial to have achieved that doubling of the CR by doubling brightness.

I know many will disagree, but that's why we have some great choices this year.

Im not saying teh brightneess isnt great, just trying to explain what they might have ment via the description...It has nothing related to my personal view on the matter.....The review hoever was mostly fluff IMO, I didnt see what they sued to calibrate (if they calibrated) what mode they used, what settigns they sued, etc. This seemed like a very basic review...
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Same can probably be said for LED and any remaining LCD's.

I don't understand why OLED is supposed to replace plasma. I didn't realize that OLED was going to be so cheap and provide the best value...


seriously though, I can still see a reason to buy plasma after OLED comes out, at least until OLED gets cheap. but I can't think of a reason to continue with LCD's, at least not big screen LCD's. I mean the only models that have anywhere close to the picture quality cost a lot of money, so the bump up from an expensive LED to a 'cheap' OLED would probably be a no-brainer.

I just don't see the person buying a nice 1000-1500 plasma as wanting to suffer with a 1500 LCD display, or bumping up to 5grand plus for an OLED

I always visioned OLED as the death of LED. it's darker, just as bright, thinner, more efficient. it's everything that LED is, but better. I'm sure its still going to be superior to plasma, but there will still be a couple advantages to plasma, at least to start.


anyway, just heard my 64" F8500 has arrived and is ready for pick up. don't think i'm gonna make it to the shoot out anymore, haha. also hearing vt's and zt's are delayed and will be 'hit or miss' on supply until aug. so unless I drop down to a 60" or ST60, the F8500 is really my only option short term. so no matter what, I'm pretty sure I was going to take one home first, and judge it's pq in my own room before trying a panny.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

So here's the thing that I think people need to be careful with and we've discussed it before. A halving of the black level with result in a doubling of the CR. Yet the visible nature of that difference in black level may be relatively slight and then only seen in a darkened environment. Obviously the drop in MLL is welcome, but there's the other side of the coin. A doubling in brightness, observable in virtually all environments (and yes, perhaps not utilized in all environments) also results in a doubling of CR. At the level that the best displays are at now in terms of MLLs (they're all in varying stages of 'great'), IMO it might be more beneficial to have achieved that doubling of the CR by doubling brightness.

I know many will disagree, but that's why we have some great choices this year.


It seems that most content is on the lower half of the brightness scale, so I think that is why black level is more important to most "enthusiasts" than bright white levels.

However, brightness is much more seductive to the eyes....If I wasnt a member of AVS and didnt learn about black levels from the pros on this site I would have gone with the F8500 because its brightness is just hard to resist. Funny when I went to magnolia to view the VT60, there were about 10 people watching the F8500. In the hour I was there not a single person looked at the VT60 sitting 2 spaces down from the F8500.
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