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post #451 of 11457
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

Can any of you new owners tell me if the remote included is an RF remote or a Bluetooth remote????
Also can you use a bluetooth keyboard with or without mouse pad???, like with a dongle in a USB port???

Thanx guys,

Rob

PS The keyboard would be used for the browser in the smarthub, I have a D8000 now and input into the
smarthub browser is abominably terrible.
And CANT use an external blutooth keyboard.

It is a bluetooth remote. You can use a usb keyboard and mouse. I haven't tried it. Also you can use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
This should help you http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201303/20130305141203645/[ENG_US]FP9ATSCF-2.100.pdf
Edited by surfmlb - 3/26/13 at 2:41pm
post #452 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

It does depend though. You could probably zoom out the logo. If she doesn't care, plasma is cheaper and better in most cases. That is an easy fix there.

The other option is, if you watch 8 hours with the logo, 8 hours without the logo, the screen would recycle back to normal for another day of use. Depending on how you will use your TV in a average day.

Chris

I just turned on HGTV and zoomed in and the HGTV logo still is pronounced.

I own a B8000 now. So, I guess my safe bet is to stay with the F8000.

Thanks
post #453 of 11457
I don't get the whole "logo burn in" issue. All of these stations that have the logo also run commercials, no commercial station goes more than 10-15 minutes without a commercial so wouldn't that take care of the whole logo problem? I have a 63C8000 with lots of hours on it and have never had any problem with IR or burn in.
post #454 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I think that's a better bet for what you watch too, Jim. I need to be more observant in what my wife watches too in making my decision.

I don't know what your budget is, but the Sony XBR950 is a full array display that would probably outperform the F8000 in terms of black levels.

Ken

Didn't Sony's XBR950 have the same big problem as the 65ES8000, banding? That is the reason I did not order last year
post #455 of 11457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I would under those circumstances. I don't think there is a way to fight having the same logo on the screen several hours every day. You would never catch up. I preach mixed sources, and it sounds like more than 50% of your TV time is exposing the display to the same fixed image.

It's might be a good idea to check out Samsung's new LED/LCD displays. They may have as much improvement as their new plasmas seem to have.

I already upvoted this post, but wanted to echo a bit of what htwaits had to say. I suspect with normal usage, the vast majority of people will never have an image-retention problem of any kind. And there is a lot of evidence to back up this belief.

That said, if your TV is on the same channel -- with a logo -- more than half the time, that's outside of normal use. And I'd expect the logo to quite possibly become visible against some content when viewing other things. I personally can't replicate this on my TV with ESPN and other channels, but I don't watch HGTV (although we do watch a lot of Food Network, the logos are not comparable it seems).

Another thing, however, is that if a TV is going to be on 10 hours a day, I'd just buy an LCD. At that usage, the power differential is real and if you're concerned about your electric bill or being "green", you should get an LCD. That's probably at least as big a concern as the logo. And, besides, there are some really good LCDs on the market.
post #456 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Edison View Post

I don't get the whole "logo burn in" issue. All of these stations that have the logo also run commercials, no commercial station goes more than 10-15 minutes without a commercial so wouldn't that take care of the whole logo problem? I have a 63C8000 with lots of hours on it and have never had any problem with IR or burn in.

This is interesting. If that fixes any foreseeable problem, that might work?????????
post #457 of 11457
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I already upvoted this post, but wanted to echo a bit of what htwaits had to say. I suspect with normal usage, the vast majority of people will never have an image-retention problem of any kind. And there is a lot of evidence to back up this belief.

That said, if your TV is on the same channel -- with a logo -- more than half the time, that's outside of normal use. And I'd expect the logo to quite possibly become visible against some content when viewing other things. I personally can't replicate this on my TV with ESPN and other channels, but I don't watch HGTV (although we do watch a lot of Food Network, the logos are not comparable it seems).

Another thing, however, is that if a TV is going to be on 10 hours a day, I'd just buy an LCD. At that usage, the power differential is real and if you're concerned about your electric bill or being "green", you should get an LCD. That's probably at least as big a concern as the logo. And, besides, there are some really good LCDs on the market.

No concerns. My entire home is solar powered. My monthly electric bill is between $0.00-$0.93.

The TV runs from 9am to 10pm with about 6 hours a day with HGTV on.

My second choice is the 65F8000 if it does not have banding problems as did the 65ES8000
post #458 of 11457
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Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

It is a bluetooth remote. You can use a usb keyboard and mouse. I haven't tried it. Also you can use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
This should help you http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201303/20130305141203645/[ENG_US]FP9ATSCF-2.100.pdf

THX surfmlb, that answered my questions.

Rob
post #459 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post


The other option is, if you watch 8 hours with the logo, 8 hours without the logo, the screen would recycle back to normal for another day of use. Depending on how you will use your TV in a average day.
That might be true if it's a straight line function. My impression is that it's probably not. smile.gif

The plasma manufacturers could tell us, but they won't. eek.gif
post #460 of 11457
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

Ken

Didn't Sony's XBR950 have the same big problem as the 65ES8000, banding? That is the reason I did not order last year

Jim, from what I read in the 950 threads, banding is much less an issue with the 950 than the Samsung E series. It seems there is generally one band, not particularly pronounced, on the display. Most didn't seem bothered by it. The Samsung was much worse. Multiple bands, very pronounced.

I've seen the 950 at Sony, and I've looked really hard and don't even see the one band. But I think that may be due to the torch mode they put the display in. I think some owners have said if you really up the backlight, you minimize or reduce the effect of the band.

Your best bet is to see the display in person. But I suspect the 950 outperforms all other available LEDs at this point.
post #461 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Edison View Post

I don't get the whole "logo burn in" issue. All of these stations that have the logo also run commercials, no commercial station goes more than 10-15 minutes without a commercial so wouldn't that take care of the whole logo problem?
It's repetition of the same logo over time that will get you. Maybe ten minutes of logo and fifty minutes of commercials would work better. wink.gif

Not watching the same channel a lot more than others will be more fun and that will work too.
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I have a 63C8000 with lots of hours on it and have never had any problem with IR or burn in.
Our plasma is over five years old and we watch a lot of sports with logos, but we are always changing channels because the events are on different channels. No problem here either.

The important thing is that some people leave their TV on the exact same channel all day long, every day -- examples are things like Fox News, NFL Channel, and ESPN.
Edited by htwaits - 3/26/13 at 3:48pm
post #462 of 11457
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Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post


It is a bluetooth remote. You can use a usb keyboard and mouse. I haven't tried it. Also you can use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
This should help you http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201303/20130305141203645/[ENG_US]FP9ATSCF-2.100.pdf
Someone will ask about using a universal remote like a Harmony where the final commands are IR. Will the F8500 accept IR commands? I'll be very surprised if it won't?
post #463 of 11457
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

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Originally Posted by Maxwell Edison View Post

I don't get the whole "logo burn in" issue. All of these stations that have the logo also run commercials, no commercial station goes more than 10-15 minutes without a commercial so wouldn't that take care of the whole logo problem? I have a 63C8000 with lots of hours on it and have never had any problem with IR or burn in.

This is interesting. If that fixes any foreseeable problem, that might work?????????
Nope.redface.gif
post #464 of 11457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Someone will ask about using a universal remote like a Harmony where the final commands are IR. Will the F8500 accept IR commands? I'll be very surprised if it won't?

Somebody mentioned using a regular samung remote so I assume it has IR
post #465 of 11457
Why doesn't it work? I'm not arguing I'm just curious. I don't understand how burn in occurs. We don't watch a ton of TV - more movies so it's never been a problem for us.
post #466 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Edison View Post

Why doesn't it work? I'm not arguing I'm just curious. I don't understand how burn in occurs. We don't watch a ton of TV - more movies so it's never been a problem for us.

Cause BI/IR is a function of time--the effect is cumulative over time. You would have to approach equal portions of content at similar intensities to "overwrite" the damage so to speak.
post #467 of 11457
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Nope.redface.gif


OK!
post #468 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Orta View Post

Cause BI/IR is a function of time--the effect is cumulative over time. You would have to approach equal portions of content at similar intensities to "overwrite" the damage so to speak.

Orta

Thanks for the heads up.

I tried to be a plasma owner but it seems to me for my situation, it is not the best choice.

I will have to move over, permanently, to the F8000 threads.
post #469 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Jim, from what I read in the 950 threads, banding is much less an issue with the 950 than the Samsung E series. It seems there is generally one band, not particularly pronounced, on the display. Most didn't seem bothered by it. The Samsung was much worse. Multiple bands, very pronounced.

I've seen the 950 at Sony, and I've looked really hard and don't even see the one band. But I think that may be due to the torch mode they put the display in. I think some owners have said if you really up the backlight, you minimize or reduce the effect of the band.

Your best bet is to see the display in person. But I suspect the 950 outperforms all other available LEDs at this point.

The 65ES8000 I've seen at Magnolia also has very obvious flashlighting. Blacks look grey. It's probably the worst looking set in the (dark) room. (Doesn't help that they put it right next to the VT50.) If Samsung can fix all that with the 65F8000, it'll be quite a feat.

The 950 looks very nice. No obvious problems, except some blooming. I would get it if it were a couple thousands cheaper smile.gif
post #470 of 11457
Barth, at least according to the early reviews, it seems that Samsung did fix these problems. I think flashlighting is a thing of the past on the new model, nobody is reporting it. Blacks surely don't look gray. How black they look in a dark room I don't know, but owners seem very pleased thus far.

But yeah, how does it compare with the 950? My gut says the 950 will be better, darker with less issues. As you say, I think some minor blooming is the worst of the issues. Given that all displays have issues of one kind or another, this isn't too bad.
post #471 of 11457
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Yet another "Official" Plasma Model thread shot to hell with all the same talk about PIR/TIR, and LCD V Plasma that has been repeated over and over every year.Give it a rest please.There are already LCD V. Plasma, and Burn In Discussion threads elsewhere on the forum. Please use them.smile.gif

seriously!
post #472 of 11457
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I posted this question in another F8500 thread but it was not answered.

I have never owned a plasma and the F8500 has my interest. If I go plasma this time, it will be my first. From reading about IR and burn-in, I get nervous.

My wife loves watching HGTV all day as she is working in the home. On HGTV there is a logo that is displayed on the lower right of the picture and it will be there all day virtually everyday.

In your opinion, under this situation, would it be better for me to stick with an LED vs Plasma?

I too would stick with LED. The Sony 950 is great (from what I hear) or you could try and get a remaining Elite.
post #473 of 11457
Thread Starter 
^^^^ Very sound and good advise, as long as you have the cash.
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

Chris
I just turned on HGTV and zoomed in and the HGTV logo still is pronounced.
What a drag frown.gif
post #474 of 11457
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Yet another "Official" Plasma Model thread shot to hell with all the same talk about PIR/TIR, and LCD V Plasma that has been repeated over and over every year.Give it a rest please.There are already LCD V. Plasma, and Burn In Discussion threads elsewhere on the forum. Please use them.smile.gif

These (we) are 1st time plasma buyers and I have read up on the issues when considering plasmas in the past but now we're dealing with a brand new panel and on top of that a VERY bright panel, the brightest plasma panel Samsung has ever produced so IR issues concerning this particular panel has us wondering... What is said or posted in the other forums may not mean squat vs the F8500.. at least thats my reasoning when watching/reading IR discussions in this thread..
post #475 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Barth, at least according to the early reviews, it seems that Samsung did fix these problems. I think flashlighting is a thing of the past on the new model, nobody is reporting it. Blacks surely don't look gray. How black they look in a dark room I don't know, but owners seem very pleased thus far.

I'm keeping an eye on the F8000 thread, which is currently having some kind of spat. The reports on the 55" are good. I haven't seen one on the 65". I think for people averse to plasma, the F8000 is looking promising. There's always an element of irrational exuberance in the early going, so I try to keep my head (and cash).
post #476 of 11457
Been playing more 24p content and with Motion Judder Canceller set to Smooth - which produces an incredible picture - but the Motion Judder is unbearable. If MJC is turned off and Film Mode is set to Cinema Smooth, then it helps significantly in minimizing judder, but I lose the life-like view. Anyone have recommendations to playing 24p content smoothly?
post #477 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^^ Very sound and good advise, as long as you have the cash.
What a drag frown.gif

Got the cash. Disapointed that this year will not be a plasma year
post #478 of 11457
Altagracia, when you say you lose the 'life-like view', do you mean you get the SOE?
post #479 of 11457
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

Got the cash. Disapointed that this year will not be a plasma year

Jim, really take a long hard look at the 950. It's a terrific option if you want to go LED. Also look at the F8000, but the 65" isn't out yet and we don't know if that larger panel will have banding issues.
post #480 of 11457
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Originally Posted by altagracia57 View Post

Been playing more 24p content and with Motion Judder Canceller set to Smooth - which produces an incredible picture - but the Motion Judder is unbearable. If MJC is turned off and Film Mode is set to Cinema Smooth, then it helps significantly in minimizing judder, but I lose the life-like view. Anyone have recommendations to playing 24p content smoothly?

So it sounds like you like the soap opera effect, which I do as well. So are you saying that when you use the motion judder canceller it gives you the life like view, but it doesn't handle the judder effectively? Isn't that the purpose of the motion judder canceller, to remove the judder? Help me understand as I am expecting this set to be delivered soon and this is an important issue for me.

Thanks.
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