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post #4561 of 11551
Most of you probably already know this but I just wanted to remind you that when you register your set with the samsung website you get an extra free 3 months on your one year warranty. cool.gif
post #4562 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

I have the banding too and unfortunately my window for exchanging the tv has closed. And not to sound negative but I would be really surprised if a firmware update could fix banding. Whatever you do don't let your exchange time expire in hopes of it being fixed via a firmware update. The C8000 had a bad pink screen banding problem and the only fix was getting a new panel. Anyway the samsung tech told me once the banding on my tv can be seen in a photo ill be eligible for a new panel so here I am in the odd position of hoping my banding get worse lol.

Try taking the picture with different lighting, at different angles, and with diferent camera settings, if possible. Produce the picture yourself and then call back the tech once you have a good pic ready to go. I'd imagine there'd be some way to repro the band in a photo as I've seen it reproed in other photos in this thread.
post #4563 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Watcher12 View Post

Try taking the picture with different lighting, at different angles, and with diferent camera settings, if possible. Produce the picture yourself and then call back the tech once you have a good pic ready to go. I'd imagine there'd be some way to repro the band in a photo as I've seen it reproed in other photos in this thread.

Im in a "batcave" and the tech and myself both tried. Him with his phone cam and me with my digicam. The banding is very very faint. The photos that he did take he said he will send to Samsung and that I should hear from them in a few days but I dont put much stock in that. But you are right I will try to get a decent pic. Unfortunately banding usually gets worse so it shouldn't be a problem.
post #4564 of 11551
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Originally Posted by polakis View Post

You mean the horizontal band just over the middle of the panel that appears in light backrounds? Or some other band?

Yep the faint horizontal band that appears in the upper third of the screen that appears in light backgrounds.
post #4565 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

I have the banding too and unfortunately my window for exchanging the tv has closed. And not to sound negative but I would be really surprised if a firmware update could fix banding. Whatever you do don't let your exchange time expire in hopes of it being fixed via a firmware update. The C8000 had a bad pink screen banding problem and the only fix was getting a new panel. Anyway the samsung tech told me once the banding on my tv can be seen in a photo ill be eligible for a new panel so here I am in the odd position of hoping my banding get worse lol.

Thanks, but no I'm not expecting firmware to fix the band at all. I just want to see if the brightness fluctuations are fixed before I bother to exchange for band. If I exchange for band and then no firmware comes or it doesn't' fix the problems to reasonable satsifaction then I don't want to have to return or exchange twice. If the firmware fixes the brightness fluctuations then I'll return for band issue and hopefully be happy. Just waiting currently.

Yes you are in an odd position for sure. Here's hoping your banding gets worse...wink.gif
post #4566 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

Most of you probably already know this but I just wanted to remind you that when you register your set with the samsung website you get an extra free 3 months on your one year warranty. cool.gif

Great thanks!
post #4567 of 11551
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Thanks, but no I'm not expecting firmware to fix the band at all. I just want to see if the brightness fluctuations are fixed before I bother to exchange for band. If I exchange for band and then no firmware comes or it doesn't' fix the problems to reasonable satsifaction then I don't want to have to return or exchange twice. If the firmware fixes the brightness fluctuations then I'll return for band issue and hopefully be happy. Just waiting currently.

Yes you are in an odd position for sure. Here's hoping your banding gets worse...wink.gif

Ahhh I see. And thanks lol
post #4568 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

The VE shootout had 1017.2 as well as a beta firmware that did not have a number attached. Even if Robert installed 1101.2 since he had the 1017.2 and beat prior to that it wouldnt make a difference as the issues would still be fixed......

HUH??? The shootout is next week...are we traveling into the future??
post #4569 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

I had samsung come look at my 64 and the guy tried to take a picture of it to send to samsung but because its so faint you couldn't see it in the photo. So I agree exchanging it is my only choice.
is your pink banding in the center of the panel vertically from head to toe like my 1st set was?
post #4570 of 11551
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

is your pink banding in the center of the panel vertically from head to toe like my 1st set was?

What happened with me is for the first few weeks my set was band free then i noticed a faint horizontal line and also the set not as white as it was in some spots-- a very faint pink that can only been seen on a white screen. I notice it in commercials more then anywhere else. I showed it to a friend and he had to really squint to see it and said he could hardly see it and told me if i hadn't mentioned it he wouldn't have noticed it at all.
post #4571 of 11551
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Screen Fit is the only mode that will ensure full resolution.

One thing you should consider is that Screen Fit will disable the Pixel Shift function. While Screen Fit is technically best and what you should use eventually, I would not recommend using it during the break-in phase, so that Pixel Shift can work to prevent burn-in.
Do you really mean burn-in? Maybe you're referring to the temporary condition called image retention (IR).

The full resolution of Screen Fit is in no way a threat to a new display. An unwise selection of source material, like watching a source with the same fixed image for long periods of time, can cause IR. To reach the point where a retained image was permanent (burn-in) would take considerably longer.

Use Screen Fit for full resolution, mix your sources, and enjoy. smile.gif

Putting off spending a lot of time with the set's MENU on the screen is probably a good idea too. biggrin.gif
post #4572 of 11551
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

HUH??? The shootout is next week...are we traveling into the future??

Huh? Robert received the beta firmware for the brightness pop fix some time ago.
post #4573 of 11551
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Do you really mean burn-in? Maybe you're referring to the temporary condition called image retention (IR).

The full resolution of Screen Fit is in no way a threat to a new display. An unwise selection of source material, like watching a source with the same fixed image for long periods of time, can cause IR. To reach the point where a retained image was permanent (burn-in) would take considerably longer.

Use Screen Fit for full resolution, mix your sources, and enjoy. smile.gif

Putting off spending a lot of time with the set's MENU on the screen is probably a good idea too. biggrin.gif

No I get all that. What I'm saying is that Pixel Shift is disabled when Screen Fit is enabled. Pixel Shift helps prevent burn-in (it's under the burn-in prevention menu). If newer displays are more prone to burn-in then one could conclude that having Pixel Shift enabled would be a good safety measure for a new display.

Of course if you are very diligent about what you watch then it's not a big issue. But if one is watching anything with logos etc during the first 100 hours or so, it might be a good idea to have Pixel Shift on, as an extra precaution, and therefore Screen Fit would not be recommended as it disables Pixel Shift. Basically I just wanted folks to understand that when Screen Fit is on, they are not getting any protection from the Pixel Shift function so as not o get a false sense of security (specially when playing games etc). I use ScreenFit for films but switch to 16:9 for other thing for Pixel Shift is functioning.
post #4574 of 11551
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

I think you need to look more carefully at the data. Here is another movie analyzed by zoyd. He's done others but right now I can not find them.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441407/grayscale-variances-different-patterns-plasma-calibration/210#post_23014906

The data all suggest that for movies the average APL is about 22%. And about that value is what the developers of the new calibration disks are using.

EDIT: Here are a few more.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441407/grayscale-variances-different-patterns-plasma-calibration/180#post_23011356

My experience actually viewing content is pretty consistent with this data. While there are times when you can detect the impact of ABL, there aren't especially many of them in a lot of movies and television.
post #4575 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

and no faint pinkish banding either I bet lol

I haven't seen any banding on Robert's display or any of those I've seen at Magnolia. Consider an exchange if that's what you have.
post #4576 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

I have the banding too and unfortunately my window for exchanging the tv has closed. And not to sound negative but I would be really surprised if a firmware update could fix banding. Whatever you do don't let your exchange time expire in hopes of it being fixed via a firmware update. The C8000 had a bad pink screen banding problem and the only fix was getting a new panel. Anyway the samsung tech told me once the banding on my tv can be seen in a photo ill be eligible for a new panel so here I am in the odd position of hoping my banding get worse lol.

How obvious is it? Did the tech see it?
post #4577 of 11551
Seeing as to the survey on what calibrating disks people have, and most say WOW. How about those with the Banding Issues, try the WOW Blu-ray and run Flicker for several hours and see if that clears the issue. Just my 2 cents worth.
post #4578 of 11551
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Seeing as to the survey on what calibrating disks people have, and most say WOW. How about those with the Banding Issues, try the WOW Blu-ray and run Flicker for several hours and see if that clears the issue. Just my 2 cents worth.

Do you mean the pixel flipper?
post #4579 of 11551
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Do you really mean burn-in? Maybe you're referring to the temporary condition called image retention (IR).

The full resolution of Screen Fit is in no way a threat to a new display. An unwise selection of source material, like watching a source with the same fixed image for long periods of time, can cause IR. To reach the point where a retained image was permanent (burn-in) would take considerably longer.

Use Screen Fit for full resolution, mix your sources, and enjoy. smile.gif

Putting off spending a lot of time with the set's MENU on the screen is probably a good idea too. biggrin.gif

No I get all that. What I'm saying is that Pixel Shift is disabled when Screen Fit is enabled. Pixel Shift helps prevent burn-in (it's under the burn-in prevention menu). If newer displays are more prone to burn-in then one could conclude that having Pixel Shift enabled would be a good safety measure for a new display.
Sure, unless it leads to a sense of false security where the new owner plays the same game for a hundred hours or so. eek.gif

Moving the whole image a few pixels will only make IR look a little out of focus. It will not prevent IR if the owner doesn't use common sense.
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Of course if you are very diligent about what you watch then it's not a big issue. But if one is watching anything with logos etc during the first 100 hours or so, it might be a good idea to have Pixel Shift on, as an extra precaution, and therefore Screen Fit would not be recommended as it disables Pixel Shift.
My recommendation is to be very diligent about what is watched during the first few hundred hours, and then avoid doing things like keeping ESPN on from 8:00 AM to 7:00 PM every day for background company. I'm not making that up. wink.gif
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Basically I just wanted folks to understand that when Screen Fit is on, they are not getting any protection from the Pixel Shift function so as not o get a false sense of security (specially when playing games etc).
Likewise I'm pointing out that a false sense fo security can come from depending on Pixel Shift.
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I use ScreenFit for films but switch to 16:9 for other thing for Pixel Shift is functioning.
I did the same thing when our Kuro was new. eek.gif

It's fine, and I probably stopped because it was too much trouble. Here is a link to how I've dealt with the fixed images over the long haul.
post #4580 of 11551
I think pixel shift is a ridiculous solution. As you mentioned, all it will do is make the IR look out of focus, but the IR will still be there.

Seriously, if anyone watches fixed content for periods at a time every week, then at the end of the week run pixel flipper overnight as you sleep. Doing this every week or 2 weeks will be an easy way to maintain your panel and keep it IR free IMO. Running a program like pixel flipper overnight cleared up some stubborn IR I got from a marathon gaming session.
post #4581 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

How obvious is it? Did the tech see it?

Its not very obvious unless you have an all white screen and yeah the tech saw it but at this point its too faint to capture on cam at least on his and my camera. He showed me pics of other clients of his where you could easily see real problems. He also showed me this tech sheet he had where it says in order for Samsung to replace the panel it has to be noticeable in a photo. Banding usually gets worse as a panel ages and I got a 15 month warranty. So sooner or later I should be able to get an acceptable photo and then get the tech back here to get Samsung to authorize a new panel. Honestly if it doesn't get worse though I can live with it the way it is at this point.
post #4582 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I haven't seen any banding on Robert's display or any of those I've seen at Magnolia. Consider an exchange if that's what you have.

Unfortunately for me the banding started on my 64 after the exchange period ended.
post #4583 of 11551
Robert just posted this in another forum in response to someone telling him the latest firmware didn't repair the brightness fluctuations:

Thanks I just found out the same from xxxxxxxx.
I have a call into my Samsung engineer contact and I'll find out when the next update will be released. I have the firmware that fixes that and a few other small items mostly dealing with calibration. So I know it's soon to come.
post #4584 of 11551
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Sure, unless it leads to a sense of false security where the new owner plays the same game for a hundred hours or so. eek.gif

Moving the whole image a few pixels will only make IR look a little out of focus. It will not prevent IR if the owner doesn't use common sense.
My recommendation is to be very diligent about what is watched during the first few hundred hours, and then avoid doing things like keeping ESPN on from 8:00 AM to 7:00 PM every day for background company. I'm not making that up. wink.gif
Likewise I'm pointing out that a false sense fo security can come from depending on Pixel Shift.
I did the same thing when our Kuro was new. eek.gif

It's fine, and I probably stopped because it was too much trouble. Here is a link to how I've dealt with the fixed images over the long haul.

I appreciate the info from both of you. I was unaware that pixel shift was getting shut off when screen fit was on. Nor did I know that I wasn't getting the best resolution on 16:9.
post #4585 of 11551
Who said that banding problem is getting worse? Is there a proof of this?
Mine has the faint band from the beginning. I am in 200 hours and the band is the same...
post #4586 of 11551
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Originally Posted by polakis View Post

Who said that banding problem is getting worse? Is there a proof of this?
Mine has the faint band from the beginning. I am in 200 hours and the band is the same...

I said it but im going by past experience with my Samsung plasma C8000. It got much worse over time. Every tv is different of course though. Im not sure how many hours im in but my banding has stayed the same also.
post #4587 of 11551
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Originally Posted by polakis View Post

Who said that banding problem is getting worse? Is there a proof of this?
Mine has the faint band from the beginning. I am in 200 hours and the band is the same...

polakis, no one said its getting worse, the user said he hopes it gets worse so that he can take a picture of it.

If you havent already please call Samsung and have a tech come check your TV out or exchange your set. I know form pervious posts you are in Greece so its done a little differently then the process here in the NA market......You set needs to be exchanged so that you can get one without banding. arenaman and a few others have exchanged successfully and received sets with no banding.....
Edited by Ph8te - 5/4/13 at 3:49pm
post #4588 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

polakis, no one said its getting worse, the user said he hopes it ets worse so that he can take a picture of it.

If you havent already please call Samsung and have a tech come check your TV out or exchange your set. I know form pervious posts you are in Greece so its done a little differently then the process here in the NA market......You set needs to be exchanged so that you can get one without banding. arenaman and a few others have exchanged successfully and received sets with no banding.....

Exactly but if you can still exchange your set skip calling the tech and just get a new one. Banding is not normal. If I was still in the exchange period on my tv id do it in a heartbeat.
Edited by Damien Inferno - 5/4/13 at 3:50pm
post #4589 of 11551
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Originally Posted by crmmoore View Post

I appreciate the info from both of you. I was unaware that pixel shift was getting shut off when screen fit was on. Nor did I know that I wasn't getting the best resolution on 16:9.

This really is good info. I too noticed that pixel shift was off but had no idea why.
post #4590 of 11551
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Originally Posted by Watcher12 View Post

Do you mean the pixel flipper?

Could be. Haven't been into the WOW Blu-ray in awhile. I prefer the Pixel Protector Washes for my sets. But the WOW Pixel Flipper (?) might do the trick.
Had a background Pinkish look for a long time, finally got it Washed out. Now have a pure White Screen.

Noticed, no one has mentioned Build Dates: is this problem happening to sets before a certain build date, but not after?
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