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Originally Posted by sass8181 View Post

Just got my best buy "calibration". Of course calday and cal night were opened up and adjusted. Threw NHL hockey on and the brightness pops are not visible to me. Placebo effect of viewing on calday. Who knows but I could see pops under movie mode.

Cal Day seems to enhance the odds of having a mode where pops are eliminated or mitigated. Good to hear that's been your experience.
post #4622 of 11457
Guys can calibration eliminate the faint horizontal band? Or is it impossible?
post #4623 of 11457
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Originally Posted by polakis View Post

Guys can calibration eliminate the faint horizontal band? Or is it impossible?

No you need to ahve the panel repalced, it is a defect. As you have seen others post they ahve had their TVs repalced and got a TV without the band....If there is a defect in the Pnael itself no calibration will be able to eliminate it..
post #4624 of 11457
But i cant take a photo that shows the band. Its so faint. How can i replace it if samsung cant see the prob?
post #4625 of 11457
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Originally Posted by polakis View Post

But i cant take a photo that shows the band. Its so faint. How can i replace it if samsung cant see the prob?

I would suggest setting up an exchange with the company you bought your TV from if you can or contact Samsung and hhve a tech come out. From previous posts on this and other forums it seems that you already set up an appointment to have a tech come out and look at your set no? If you are unable to exchange your set the only way to get this fixed is via a Smsung Tech coming out and taking a look at the set......There are not many options that the forum members can help you with until you try those steps....
Edited by Ph8te - 5/5/13 at 5:54am
post #4626 of 11457
ok guys fw1102 is up. sources say this should be the one for the 2-step pop.downloading as we speak.
post #4627 of 11457
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

ok guys fw1102 is up. sources say this should be the one for the 2-step pop.downloading as we speak.

This was up yesterday, and didnt fix the pops...Am I wrong???
post #4628 of 11457
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

ok guys fw1102 is up. sources say this should be the one for the 2-step pop.downloading as we speak.

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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

This was up yesterday, and didnt fix the pops...Am I wrong???

not should "could" be the one but, per Damien who downloaded it yesterday, it didnt fix them for him.......

you are correct yam this was up yesterday.....

Robert isnt sure becasue of the changing in the numebrs of the firmwares that were relaesed and as far as I have seen him post openly, he has not heard back from Samsung to confirm if either of the firmware releases were "the" fix owners are looking for.....
Edited by Ph8te - 5/5/13 at 6:05am
post #4629 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post


not should "could" be the one but, per Damien who downloaded it yesterday, it didnt fix them for him.......

you are correct yam this was up yesterday.....

Robert isnt sure becasue of the changing in the numebrs of the firmwares that were relaesed and as far as I have seen him post openly, he has not heard back from Samsung to confirm if either of the firmware releases were "the" fix owners are looking for.....

I can't even get the file recognized with the tv. didn't have any problem w/ 1101 when I did it. just a refresh but do I extract the file before it's on the thunbdrive or when it's on there? or not at all? usually if it's just in the file folder your good right?
post #4630 of 11457
I have a feeling the actual fix will be released through an automatic update as originally discussed...with a similar update number. I wouldn't be worrying about it quite yet. If nothing happens before the shootout, then we can start worrying. I think Samsung realizes there will be a lot of sets returned if they don't get right...including mine mad.gif
post #4631 of 11457
Yes, I'm sure they're quaking at the prospect of losing some sales to a handful of AVS enthusiasts. Don't bet on that one.
post #4632 of 11457
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Yes, I'm sure they're quaking at the prospect of losing some sales to a handful of AVS enthusiasts. Don't bet on that one.

can't argue on that one. Samsung will do whatever is in THERE best interest.
post #4633 of 11457
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Yes, I'm sure they're quaking at the prospect of losing some sales to a handful of AVS enthusiasts. Don't bet on that one.

Oh that's true. If people returned their sets then Samsung will discontinue making TVs, just like when the KING was discontinued for good biggrin.gif

Hail the Queen, Death to the King .. LOL biggrin.gif
post #4634 of 11457
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

can't argue on that one. Samsung will do whatever is in THERE best interest.

That's true as it is of all these manufacturers. Anyone expect there will be a quick fix to the unstable calibration issues in the Panasonics? They've all got the issues and they're in no rush to fix them. At least though with Samsung, they've acknowledged the issue and are apparently coming forth with a fix. We know there is a fix out there that works, owners just need to have access to it.
post #4635 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That's true as it is of all these manufacturers. Anyone expect there will be a quick fix to the unstable calibration issues in the Panasonics? They've all got the issues and they're in no rush to fix them. At least though with Samsung, they've acknowledged the issue and are apparently coming forth with a fix. We know there is a fix out there that works, owners just need to have access to it.

Very true, I think all owners should be patient and not be in rush for a fix.
I mean you have a great set you can enjoy already. But again I understand human's nature of thrive for perfection.

The Queen is giving me hard time. She will not be on sale here until next week. Still waiting.
post #4636 of 11457
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

can't argue on that one. Samsung will do whatever is in THERE best interest.
Unfortunately, their position as the best seller of TVs means this holds true even more so. It is not uncommon for big corps (Samsung included) to shun subsets of their customers (while leading them on simultaneously), the risk of bad press be damned. I can personally attest to this (after they ceased updating one of their Blu-ray players at only 3 years old, yet still suggesting to owners that an update would be forthcoming in the intervening time period of 2010-2013). Yes, that was an older product that simply reached its sunset period prematurely, but it goes to show that dishonesty is not out of the question, so it's wise to not pin your hopes that panacea will arrive if we just wait for this or that firmware update.

Since someone had to bring up Panasonic (guess who) and their calibration wonkiness, there has been no insinuation (yet) that a fix will even come, so buyer beware. It hasn't even been acknowledged outside a handful of calibrators. D-Nice doesn't seem to think it can be remedied by a firmware update anyway.
post #4637 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Oh that's true. If people returned their sets then Samsung will discontinue making TVs, just like when the KING was discontinued for good biggrin.gif

Hail the Queen, Death to the King .. LOL biggrin.gif
frown.gif How dare ye' trample on my prince.tongue.gif
post #4638 of 11457
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

frown.gif How dare ye' trample on my prince.tongue.gif

He he he
Send my warmest regards to the king and tell him that his time is over tongue.gif
post #4639 of 11457
He's not worried. He still excels in controlled lighting cinematic viewing like no others can. biggrin.gif
post #4640 of 11457
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

He's not worried. He still excels in controlled lighting cinematic viewing like no others can. biggrin.gif

Good to know that the king is still breathing, but no matter what, his reign is over. It is the Queen's era biggrin.gif
post #4641 of 11457
I have read the whole user manual and patiently waiting for the set to be available.

All the devices are hooked up to my AV Receiver and then an HDMI from the AV Receiver will go to the TV.
Which HDMI is ideal to be used to hook up the TV to my AV Receiver?

I have Oppo BDP + HTPC + DVD player connected to the AV Receiver.
post #4642 of 11457
The trouble seems identical model with France Brightness and Black with Black Optimizer On ...
It's a Bug ... rolleyes.gif
post #4643 of 11457
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Unfortunately, their position as the best seller of TVs means this holds true even more so. It is not uncommon for big corps (Samsung included) to shun subsets of their customers (while leading them on simultaneously), the risk of bad press be damned. I can personally attest to this (after they ceased updating one of their Blu-ray players at only 3 years old, yet still suggesting to owners that an update would be forthcoming in the intervening time period of 2010-2013). Yes, that was an older product that simply reached its sunset period prematurely, but it goes to show that dishonesty is not out of the question, so it's wise to not pin your hopes that panacea will arrive if we just wait for this or that firmware update.

the thing is... the 'fix' isnt just a discussion. robert has it, cnet has it...............................
post #4644 of 11457
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post


Since someone had to bring up Panasonic (guess who) and their calibration wonkiness, there has been no insinuation (yet) that a fix will even come, so buyer beware. It hasn't even been acknowledged outside a handful of calibrators. D-Nice doesn't seem to think it can be remedied by a firmware update anyway.

The same issue existed on the VT30 and Panasonic wouldn't/couldn't address it...I see no difference for 2013.

One reason I am very hesistant to purchase a 2013 Panasonic is because of this issue and the fact D-Nice has found the VT30 doubled in MLL over time (at 2500 hours if I recall).

Panasonic blatantly lied about this issue as far as I am concerned as they promised it was fixed for 2011. So, who knows what's in store with these great MLLs on the 2013 down the road. I suppose if you upgrade every year, not an issue, but I wont be doing that with whatever set I buy. (This is coming from a 65ST30 owner.)
Edited by DavidHir - 5/5/13 at 10:24am
post #4645 of 11457
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

The same issue existed on the VT30 and Panasonic wouldn't/couldn't address it...I see no difference for 2013.

One reason I am very hesistant to purchase a 2013 Panasonic is because of this issue and the fact D-Nice has found the VT30 doubled in MLL over time (at 2500 hours if I recall).

Panasonic blatantly lied about this issue as they promised it was fixed for 2011. So, who knows what's in store with these great MLLs on the 2013 down the road. I suppose if you upgrade every year, not an issue, but I wont be doing that with whatever set I buy. (This is coming from a 65ST30 owner.)
Yikes at the parallels. This doubled brightness couldn't be calibrated out? I don't upgrade anywhere near as often either.

At this rate, looks like I'll be sticking with Kuro until OLED (10 years out of a Kuro is not such a bad way to go, though 50" will keep me wanting).
post #4646 of 11457
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

I have a feeling the actual fix will be released through an automatic update as originally discussed...with a similar update number. I wouldn't be worrying about it quite yet. If nothing happens before the shootout, then we can start worrying. I think Samsung realizes there will be a lot of sets returned if they don't get right...including mine mad.gif

My *speculation* is Samsung is going to wait until after the Shootout before releasing the new firmware publicly. It will get a better vetting with the calibrators, testing, etc. this way. If all is good, then it will be released. If something is found with it at the Shootout, this gives Samsung an opportunity to make a fix before releasing it to the public.
post #4647 of 11457
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

can't argue on that one. Samsung will do whatever is in THERE best interest.
Lets face it, if it is an easy fix and firmware related, why not. If it is hardware related it will be handled as people complain direct with the manufacturer, if they find a fix.
post #4648 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

can't argue on that one. Samsung will do whatever is in THERE best interest.

That's true as it is of all these manufacturers. Anyone expect there will be a quick fix to the unstable calibration issues in the Panasonics? They've all got the issues and they're in no rush to fix them. At least though with Samsung, they've acknowledged the issue and are apparently coming forth with a fix. We know there is a fix out there that works, owners just need to have access to it.

Panasonic fixed the luminance problems they had in the 2012 models quickly. Ken, do you know if VE has experience these calibration problems with the Panasonics?
post #4649 of 11457
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Lets face it, if it is an easy fix and firmware related, why not. If it is hardware related it will be handled as people complain direct with the manufacturer, if they find a fix.

If it's that easy why haven't the D and E series models been cured of the brightness pops then? unless of course there's suddenly been a breakthrough.
post #4650 of 11457
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

If it's that easy why haven't the D and E series models been cured of the brightness pops then? unless of course there's suddenly been a breakthrough.

It seems to me that is a hardware fault not software. Zoyd a member on these forums mentioned that panasonic uses a one pulse method for precharging the cells in the plasma, but samsung uses 2 hence why you see this type of brightening. I am not exactly sure if I am explaning this correctly but that pretty much tells me it's a hardware fault. Just a different driving method with is more noticeable in black level change. If someone can find Zoyd's quote or better yet Zoyd if you care to explain??? then this might answer the brightness pops, i could also be talking about two different issues rolleyes.gif
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