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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

8500 Not on the List:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470673/9th-annul-hdtv-shoot-out
The first pic in your link sure looks like the 8500 and it is listed third in the group of tvs.
post #4982 of 11459
I know I am crazy but, the brightness is what makes this TV so special I just can't see losing any of that sweet, sweet brightness.
post #4983 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

I believe a factory reset on this tv has to be done by a samsung tech over the phone who connects to your tv via internet.

That's an interesting move. Taking the option out of the hands of the consumer?? Doesn't make much sense. Hopefully that was an isolated problem with my set and not an issue with the F8500.
post #4984 of 11459
My problem must have been with the brand of usb drives I was using. I uploaded the file to an ipod touch and tried the update. It worked.

Thanks Apple!
post #4985 of 11459
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Originally Posted by PHR Supra View Post

The first pic in your link sure looks like the 8500 and it is listed third in the group of tvs.

thats so funny! dont know how he could have missed it biggrin.gif
post #4986 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jlbair View Post

Long time lurker, and an owner of a 64" F8500 here. I just updated from 1102 to 1103, and I found no drop in peak brightness. I didn't use a light meter, but I did shoot a fixed manual exposure of an 11 step grayscale pattern (in RAW format, with exposure set to protect blacks and whites from clipping) before and after the update. Take this all with a grain of salt - it's not thoroughly scientific, but it is reassuring.

-John

Thanks for that info John. Reassuring indeed and suggests that, if here is a decrease in brightness, it's marginal/negligible.
post #4987 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

My problem must have been with the brand of usb drives I was using. I uploaded the file to an ipod touch and tried the update. It worked.

Thanks Apple!

Glad to hear.
post #4988 of 11459
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Great news on the pop fix. I wonder how the decreased brightness will affect the calibration?

Now if Robert can get Panasonic to fix their calibration problems..........

I know there were some calibration tweaks that were asked for by Robert that were provided on a very early beat firmware. Not sure what they were as robert didnt go into it. Time will only tell if this update makes any changes to the way these sets calibrate....
post #4989 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I know there were some calibration tweaks that were asked for by Robert that were provided on a very early beat firmware. Not sure what they were as robert didnt go into it. Time will only tell if this update makes any changes to the way these sets calibrate....

I'm definitely anxious to hear any reports from those calibrating before and after FW 1103.
post #4990 of 11459
Fastest download ever I am going to go for it, wish me luck.
post #4991 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jlbair View Post

Long time lurker, and an owner of a 64" F8500 here. I just updated from 1102 to 1103, and I found no drop in peak brightness. I didn't use a light meter, but I did shoot a fixed manual exposure of an 11 step grayscale pattern (in RAW format, with exposure set to protect blacks and whites from clipping) before and after the update. Take this all with a grain of salt - it's not thoroughly scientific, but it is reassuring.

-John

good news! thank you
post #4992 of 11459
I downloaded the file took less than 2 minutes, I loaded to my USB stick but I could not do it
post #4993 of 11459
I'm glad to hear some of you are enjoying the cals smile.gif

I am not near my TV for the next few days so cannot install 1103 just yet.
I will do some meter comparisons and a re-cal when I do.

I recall with the average bright I measured 51.something fL.

I'd be interested to see what exactly has changed.
post #4994 of 11459
I'm really impressed with this update. There are no pops at all with hockey now. I don't notice any decrease in brightness either.
post #4995 of 11459
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I'm glad to hear some of you are enjoying the cals smile.gif

I am not near my TV for the next few days so cannot install 1103 just yet.
I will do some meter comparisons and a re-cal when I do.

I recall with the average bright I measured 51.something fL.

I'd be interested to see what exactly has changed.

thanks for the update... and future update! will be interested in your findings.....
post #4996 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jlbair View Post

Long time lurker, and an owner of a 64" F8500 here. I just updated from 1102 to 1103, and I found no drop in peak brightness. I didn't use a light meter, but I did shoot a fixed manual exposure of an 11 step grayscale pattern (in RAW format, with exposure set to protect blacks and whites from clipping) before and after the update. Take this all with a grain of salt - it's not thoroughly scientific, but it is reassuring.

-John
Thanks alot for doing that. I take it that just looking at it with your naked eye you see no decreased brightness either?
post #4997 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

I'm really impressed with this update. There are no pops at all with hockey now. I don't notice any decrease in brightness either.

What size tv do you have Gibson?
post #4998 of 11459
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Originally Posted by rupedogg24 View Post

That's an interesting move. Taking the option out of the hands of the consumer?? Doesn't make much sense. Hopefully that was an isolated problem with my set and not an issue with the F8500.

Yeah I agree. the only good thing though is now they can actually see inside your tv and if you have a screen problem you can literally show them right from your home.
post #4999 of 11459
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Originally Posted by griffithstrife View Post

I know I am crazy but, the brightness is what makes this TV so special I just can't see losing any of that sweet, sweet brightness.

Well so far only me and one other person have notice decreased brightness so you may be ok if you update
post #5000 of 11459
Awesome to hear that brightness pops have been fixed in 2D. Any word on fixing them in 3D?
post #5001 of 11459
Alright guys, I have a couple questions. One shoul be easy, but I haven't heard anyone say anything about this other issue.

1. Does the newest firmware fix the 3-D color fluctuation/pop issue?

2. Widescreen [16x9] vs Screen fit. People say that screen fit is better ,but when I have screen fit on, there is a row of pixels on the very top that seem off center or skewed. It distorts the image at the very top which makes up/down pans annoying.

Has anyone else experienced, and is there a good way to fix it?
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post



What size tv do you have Gibson?

64
post #5003 of 11459
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Originally Posted by griffithstrife View Post

I know I am crazy but, the brightness is what makes this TV so special I just can't see losing any of that sweet, sweet brightness.

Well so far only me and one other person have notice decreased brightness so you may be ok if you update. And again the small decrease that I notice really doesn't bother me at all and id rather deal with it over popping any day.
post #5004 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

My problem must have been with the brand of usb drives I was using. I uploaded the file to an ipod touch and tried the update. It worked.

Thanks Apple!

Ewww don't get me started on Apple vs android lol.. biggrin.gif

Super glad to hear you were able to get updated, any opinions since updating?
I know I said I was going to hold off updating but the more I think about it the more I realize that would be just delaying the inevitable, there's going to be future updates be it for Smart TV or some other issue so its going to be forced on me eventually so I guess I'll be updating tomorrow..
That said, glad to hear owners posting they're seeing little to no difference in brightness since updating..

Curious though, of those posting post update observations which F8500 do you have (51", 60 or 64")??
post #5005 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

64
me too. Good for you that you didnt notice any change. I had to put my cell light up to 20 to compensate and plan on recalibrating when pieandchips posts his new settings soon.In the meantime im using the cnet settings which were calibrated under this update and they look pretty good to me
Edited by Damien Inferno - 5/7/13 at 6:14pm
post #5006 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

Ewww don't get me started on Apple vs android lol.. biggrin.gif

Super glad to hear you were able to get updated, any opinions since updating?
I know I said I was going to hold off updating but the more I think about it the more I realize that would be just delaying the inevitable, there's going to be future updates be it for Smart TV or some other issue so its going to be forced on me eventually so I guess I'll be updating tomorrow..
That said, glad to hear owners posting they're seeing little to no difference in brightness since updating..

Curious though, of those posting post update observations which F8500 do you have (51", 60 or 64")??

I have a 64 and the brightness decrease I see really doesn't bother me. Before the update there would be times when the screen would actually be too bright and now with the cell light on 20 it seems just right. I seriously wouldn't hold off on updating. I have not seen one brightness pop all day on any content (havent tried 3D yet though) since I updated.
post #5007 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

I'm really impressed with this update. There are no pops at all with hockey now. I don't notice any decrease in brightness either.

what size is your panel?
post #5008 of 11459
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Originally Posted by GibsonES300 View Post

64

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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

what size is your panel?

64"
post #5009 of 11459
Updated and tested (not scientific, I don't have a meter but studied a "test scene" before and compared right after.) I was UMR calibrated a month ago so have an excellent PQ that I'm very familiar with. Results?

There is no noticeable decrease in brightness at all, no weird color issues, blacks still look as deep, and shadow detail still badass (if anything, it felt like there might be slightly better shadow detail and a more uniform picture, which would likely not be the case if brightness had decreased.) If anything it felt like, perhaps, a certain "glow" or intensity to the picture was a tad less, but not brightness. But that could be placebo since I read some of these comments before updating. Even if its real it's so insignificant, the picture looks just as awesome as before or maybe slightly better (if the shadow detail and uniformity is true) but definitely not worse. Oh and I've seen zero pops...

Side note: As I mentioned in my calibration report early in this topic, during my calibration UMR identified that Black Optimizer set to Dark Room causes color irregularities, particularly in regards to flesh tones. I've tested this several times since calibration to confirm and it's always been very obvious. But I tested it after the update... And I'm not seeing it now! For me it's still not as good as bright room because I was calibrated that way (so remain there, but I'm not seeing the weird color issue now so whatever they did for pops, or maybe as an additional fix with this update, they've corrected the issue!

My recommendation - don't be scared, get this update! Thank you Samsung for coming through!


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post #5010 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Elvamir View Post

Updated and tested (not scientific, I don't have a meter but studied a "test scene" before and compared right after.) I was UMR calibrated a month ago so have an excellent PQ that I'm very familiar with. Results?

There is no noticeable decrease in brightness at all, no weird color issues, blacks still look as deep, and shadow detail still badass (if anything, it felt like there might be slightly better shadow detail and a more uniform picture, which would likely not be the case if brightness had decreased.) If anything it felt like, perhaps, a certain "glow" or intensity to the picture was a tad less, but not brightness. But that could be placebo since I read some of these comments before updating. Even if its real it's so insignificant, the picture looks just as awesome as before or maybe slightly better (if the shadow detail and uniformity is true) but definitely not worse. Oh and I've seen zero pops...

Side note: As I mentioned in my calibration report early in this topic, during my calibration UMR identified that Black Optimizer set to Dark Room causes color irregularities, particularly in regards to flesh tones. I've tested this several times since calibration to confirm and it's always been very obvious. But I tested it after the update... And I'm not seeing it now! For me it's still not as good as bright room because I was calibrated that way (so remain there, but I'm not seeing the weird color issue now so whatever they did for pops, or maybe as an additional fix with this update, they've corrected the issue!

My recommendation - don't be scared, get this update! Thank you Samsung for coming through!


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I agree that the picture seems more tame now and I think blacks and fleshtones look better too.
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