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post #5161 of 11459
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

. . . The only thing that looks like I'd be annoyed by with it is what it seems to do to facial features....really makes peoples faces look a bit scarred/pitted in an exaggerated way.
Realism is sometime unpleasant. The Darbee makes some images look more like the real people that you see on the street and less like Doris Day filmed through a silk screen.

The Darbee remote lets you have three preset levels (Green = Hi Def, Yellow=Gaming, Red=Full Pop). Within those selections you can easily increase or decrease to taste. But once set we, don't feel a need to change it often. My wife and I did notice that we wanted lower levels at first and in time craved more. I believe that it is the result of our brains learning to expect the added 3D cues.

The Darbee Patent document 7,995,835 Method and apparatus for altering two-dimensional images using three-dimensional information http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&S1=darbeevision&OS=darbeevision&RS=darbeevision mentions an interesting fact that I noticed about the process (my bold):

"As a partial validation of this explanation as to why DarbeeVision works, it is interesting to note that viewing DVn images with only one eye seems to enhance the perceived 3D effect. In that case, it is not possible to explore the image normally by changing the convergence point of both eyes, so the brain is "fooled" into believing that the image is stereo, as if it had been perceived using both eyes.
post #5162 of 11459
Thank you Ijmart and pinger for your advice about the zooming.
post #5163 of 11459
I can see that the overall impression about the new update is very satisfying. Great.
post #5164 of 11459
Just purchased a 60" F8500 a couple of hours ago. Will take delivery on Friday. Couldn't be more excited! biggrin.gif
post #5165 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Watcher12 View Post

Just purchased a 60" F8500 a couple of hours ago. Will take delivery on Friday. Couldn't be more excited! biggrin.gif
Congratulations.. Welcome to the club that I have not joined yet smile.gif
I hope you will love it
post #5166 of 11459
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Still not as dark as the F8500 measured by HDTVTest (0.0017) but not very far away either.

It's probably hitting .001fL or lower now, since McKenzie is measuring blacks with a Klein K-10 meter and the smaller sizes have measured blacker than the larger sizes.
post #5167 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Watcher12 View Post

Just purchased a 60" F8500 a couple of hours ago. Will take delivery on Friday. Couldn't be more excited! biggrin.gif

Congrats, I can say with great confidence you won't be disappointed biggrin.gif
post #5168 of 11459
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Originally Posted by bonepile View Post

Since I have not seen it asked yet I would like to recommend a true Blu Ray disc to test the color, vibrancy, and exactness of the 8500. Got my PN51F8500 yesterday and the only disc to test it out with (after calibration) was Feng Xiaogang's (who) "THE BANQUET" or by another title "Legend of the Black Scorpion". It is the Chinese retelling of Shakespeare's Macbeth starring Daniel Wu and Zhang Ziyi. From the opening scenes set in a temple deep in the lush forest where you can test the multitude of greens to the Emperor's henchmen armored in blue/black/purple armor you cannot but appreciate the 8500's ability to capture all of this accurately. Golds, silvers and other metallics sparkle and reds will blow you out of your seat. This non 3D film is the perfect Blu Ray test disc. You will find in online from a number of companies. I have it from Megastar, and it works perfectly. Just wanted to pass this Blu Ray on, and as I discover more BR's to recommend I will post them here as well. Thanks for reading.

My wife and I watched "Legend of the Black Scorpion" last night on Blu-ray from Netflix. Your descriptions were all accurate. Thank you for the recommendation. It was beautiful from beginning to end on our PN60F8500.

Another movie to show off the F8500 is the opening entirely black scenes from the 2011 version of "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Watched it the last night we had our HL-T5689S DLP TV and again after our F8500 was delivered. On the 5689S it was hard to tell what was being shown in many of the images. There was not doubt what was being shown on the F8500 with its amazing blacks.
Edited by JRWalker - 5/9/13 at 7:43am
post #5169 of 11459
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

It's probably hitting .001fL or lower now, since McKenzie is measuring blacks with a Klein K-10 meter and the smaller sizes have measured blacker than the larger sizes.

Exactly. I am really looking forward to the Shootout results. I think you're going to see the MLL of this set very close to the VT60.
post #5170 of 11459
Has anyone been able to tell if the blacks are more stable with the latest update when using the Black Optimizer? I know that Chad B and others mentioned that the Black Optimizer resulted in unstable blacks (which was the reason I exchanged my D7000)
post #5171 of 11459
Updated my 51" to 1103 last night.
There is an absolute difference in brightness now. I could never watch my set on anything over a 16 backlight as it was too bright. I usually have it set to 12-14. After the update, I have it maxed at 20 on all view modes. I watched the set on Standard last night instead of the Relaxed mode that I usually have it set to for night viewing.The picture is stellar, don't get me wrong but that extra brightness headroom is gone.

BTW, this is an uncalibrated set.
post #5172 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Crestapre View Post

Updated my 51" to 1103 last night.
There is an absolute difference in brightness now. I could never watch my set on anything over a 16 backlight as it was too bright. I usually have it set to 12-14. After the update, I have it maxed at 20 on all view modes. I watched the set on Standard last night instead of the Relaxed mode that I usually have it set to for night viewing.The picture is stellar, don't get me wrong but that extra brightness headroom is gone.

BTW, this is an uncalibrated set.

It appears perhaps the update trimmed just a tiny bit of brightness, but lowered the black level slightly. We should know for sure this weekend.
post #5173 of 11459
^I'd be okay with that!
post #5174 of 11459
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Originally Posted by alromero81 View Post

Just finished updating my set. Decided to hook up my meter (i1 display 3) to take some before and after measurements. I am not a professional calibrator by any means, just a DIY'er. I have my set in standard mode with cell light at 20, contrast at 94, and brightness at 47. This set is blazingly bright with these settings. Before the update I measured a peak white luminance of 64.62 fl with a 100% white window and after it did drop slightly to 62.16 fl. The black levels dropped slightly too. Before the update I measured .006 fl with black optimizer off and .003 with it set on dark room. After it was .005 with it off and .002 with dark room set. I switched over to movie mode and measured a peak luminence of 38.9 fl after updating. So from my observations there seems to be a very slight decrease in peak brightness. Afterwards, I watched about an hour of hockey. Every time the camera would pan I would wait for it.... and nothing, no brightness pops. Looking forward to seeing how the shootout stacks up this week.

that looks like a trade in the right direction to me - well done.
post #5175 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Crestapre View Post

Updated my 51" to 1103 last night.
There is an absolute difference in brightness now. I could never watch my set on anything over a 16 backlight as it was too bright. I usually have it set to 12-14. After the update, I have it maxed at 20 on all view modes. I watched the set on Standard last night instead of the Relaxed mode that I usually have it set to for night viewing.The picture is stellar, don't get me wrong but that extra brightness headroom is gone.

BTW, this is an uncalibrated set.

The brightness is a little lower but you can change some settings to get it more then bright enough.
Besides cell light on 20 turn the gamma up until you like how it looks.
post #5176 of 11459
What I read from uses here is that the out of the box settings is excellent on this TV and need few tweaks only. How would calibration change that? I mean if the PQ is already great how far will it go? The same thing goes for FW updates. To what extent will the future update get the PQ better. This is something I have been thinking about.
post #5177 of 11459
Pro calibrators exist to provide an accurate PQ, not an artificially enhanced one. To some who like an artificial look, the results of a pro cal might be less satisfying.
post #5178 of 11459
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Pro calibrators exist to provide an accurate PQ, not an artificially enhanced one. To some who like an artificial look, the results of a pro cal might be less satisfying.

let me tell you how I like to watch movies:
- First watch: It has to be how the director wants me to see his film
- Second time: I like to tweak the pic to my own liking, by applying cooler or warmer effects etc.

That way I can say I have seen the movie the way it should be seen and the way I want to watch it. But here I was not talking about anything artificial unless you mean that the Out of the box setting is artificial, because that is not the case. Every body says that the movie mode is quite accurate and needs just few adjustments.
post #5179 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Daniel23 View Post

I am wondering are there any gamers with this tv? im curous how is the input lag on this TV i have read it is bad , would appreciate more opinions

gave my review on this just a few posts ago.

bottom line was the lag is very bad using normal viewing modes, mediocre using 'game mode' and acceptable using PC. i actually didn't notice anything when playing games, but did notice the lag when moving my cursor around on the HTPC.
post #5180 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

let me tell you how I like to watch movies:
- First watch: It has to be how the director wants me to see his film
- Second time: I like to tweak the pic to my own liking, by applying cooler or warmer effects etc.

That way I can say I have seen the movie the way it should be seen and the way I want to watch it. But here I was not talking about anything artificial unless you mean that the Out of the box setting is artificial, because that is not the case. Every body says that the movie mode is quite accurate and needs just few adjustments.

you are sassy..D
post #5181 of 11459
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Pro calibrators exist to provide an accurate PQ, not an artificially enhanced one. To some who like an artificial look, the results of a pro cal might be less satisfying.

such an unrealistic, and in some ways silly goal.

i would no want a tv to look exactly like real life. i'd hate to have to put my sunglasses on for the day scenes, and take them off for night scenes, etc.

and as long as there is no real world reference, it becomes a judgement as to how bright you want the picture. maybe in time the 'reference' will change.

then we also need to consider if what the director wants is always best. we've all seen those movies that look absolutely terrible.

it's my preference to use 'reference' as a starting point, not the final calibration. i'll get the tv to reference, then make tiny adjustments to 'fix' the picture
post #5182 of 11459
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

you are sassy..D
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post #5183 of 11459
The out of the box settings on this tv are very good for sure but in my opinion look much better even with the cnet settings. Im using pieandchips 50fL average bright room settings (with the gamma on +2 and cell light on 20) and I suggest those who question calibration at least give his a try.
post #5184 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

let me tell you how I like to watch movies:
- First watch: It has to be how the director wants me to see his film
- Second time: I like to tweak the pic to my own liking, by applying cooler or warmer effects etc.

That way I can say I have seen the movie the way it should be seen and the way I want to watch it. But here I was not talking about anything artificial unless you mean that the Out of the box setting is artificial, because that is not the case. Every body says that the movie mode is quite accurate and needs just few adjustments.
that's the way i prefer it as well, as close to Native as i can get it without all the enhancement turned on. then if it's not pleasing enough I can tweek it from there
post #5185 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

let me tell you how I like to watch movies:
- First watch: It has to be how the director wants me to see his film
- Second time: I like to tweak the pic to my own liking, by applying cooler or warmer effects etc.

That way I can say I have seen the movie the way it should be seen and the way I want to watch it. But here I was not talking about anything artificial unless you mean that the Out of the box setting is artificial, because that is not the case. Every body says that the movie mode is quite accurate and needs just few adjustments.

using some of the others calibrated numbers in csm and white bal just add to the richness and depth in subtle ways... but by no means does out of the box movie mode look artificial! vinnie just ran out of things to argue wink.gifwink.gif
post #5186 of 11459
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

using some of the others calibrated numbers in csm and white bal just add to the richness and depth in subtle ways... but by no means does out of the box movie mode look artificial! vinnie just ran out of things to argue wink.gifwink.gif

thank you for that
post #5187 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

The out of the box settings on this tv are very good for sure but in my opinion look much better even with the cnet settings. Im using pieandchips 50fL average bright room settings (with the gamma on +2 and cell light on 20) and I suggest those who question calibration at least give his a try.

I'm using exactly the same settings only with Gamma at +1 as is the default for this setting. Looks really really great.
post #5188 of 11459
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

I'm using exactly the same settings only with Gamma at +1 as is the default for this setting. Looks really really great.

Im noticing that since the update for some directv content I need gamma 2. But yeah his settings are fantastic. Looking forward to his new ones this weekend. biggrin.gif
post #5189 of 11459
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Pro calibrators exist to provide an accurate PQ, not an artificially enhanced one. To some who like an artificial look, the results of a pro cal might be less satisfying.

such an unrealistic, and in some ways silly goal.

i would no want a tv to look exactly like real life. i'd hate to have to put my sunglasses on for the day scenes, and take them off for night scenes, etc.

and as long as there is no real world reference, it becomes a judgement as to how bright you want the picture. maybe in time the 'reference' will change.

then we also need to consider if what the director wants is always best. we've all seen those movies that look absolutely terrible.

it's my preference to use 'reference' as a starting point, not the final calibration. i'll get the tv to reference, then make tiny adjustments to 'fix' the picture
You are a "guiding light" if there ever was one. rolleyes.gif
post #5190 of 11459
htwaits: what kind of display did you go for after the old DLP days?
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