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post #5191 of 11452
let me tell you a little story on how stupid a mistake i made.
i was very close in getting this TV PN51F8500. my plan was to sell my PN50C7000 so i put it on C list got an interested person he asked if he came by with XXX amout of cash would i sell it to him I agreed.
so he came by and just as we were ready to make the transaction my phone rang with a different interested person (i think it was staged when looking back) so i was a little distracted as he counted the money in front of me. anyway the trusting and not to bright a person i am because i trusted he counted it correctly.
anyway he made off with the TV paying me $160.00 less then our aggreed upon price. this guy was good.
so the moral of my little story is trust no one LOL so i had only enough to only buy a PN51F5500 i kick myself.
post #5192 of 11452
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

let me tell you how I like to watch movies:
- First watch: It has to be how the director wants me to see his film
- Second time: I like to tweak the pic to my own liking, by applying cooler or warmer effects etc.

That way I can say I have seen the movie the way it should be seen and the way I want to watch it. But here I was not talking about anything artificial unless you mean that the Out of the box setting is artificial, because that is not the case. Every body says that the movie mode is quite accurate and needs just few adjustments.

I couldn't agree more!! I like my picture to look as the way "I think" it "should" look for examples of what I mean take baseball games, basketball or what I'm watching right now golf, if I use some of the settings I've seen posted you would think they're playing golf at dusk when in fact it is sunny and bright in Ponte Vedra Beach right now.. I've been to MANY baseball games and basketball games so I know how it looks be it under the lights or during a daytime game not to mention I play a lot of golf and I can tell you there's a reason we have to wear sunglasses on days like today, its BRIGHT out there biggrin.gif
post #5193 of 11452
hi...i need a little help...i dont have a place where i can compare this type of units,(st60 vs f8500)best buy only have the 60st60 and the 60f530 and they are very far from each other,so,my question is..the ST60 half the price of the 60f8500...is it worth the money on the samsung,its really that good? i used to have a 55st50 and i take it back because of burn in image,panasonic will give me my money back so i was looking for a new set that is not a panny but the price is a little steep..i have the money but dont want to burn it in something that is not gonna make a difference in picture quality that is my only concern...im not a gamer,no streamer,just blue ray.thanks for the help guys.saludos from Puerto Rico!!! LOL
post #5194 of 11452
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

hi...i need a little help...i dont have a place where i can compare this type of units,(st60 vs f8500)best buy only have the 60st60 and the 60f530 and they are very far from each other,so,my question is..the ST60 half the price of the 60f8500...is it worth the money on the samsung,its really that good? i used to have a 55st50 and i take it back because of burn in image,panasonic will give me my money back so i was looking for a new set that is not a panny but the price is a little steep..i have the money but dont want to burn it in something that is not gonna make a difference in picture quality that is my only concern...im not a gamer,no streamer,just blue ray.thanks for the help guys.saludos from Puerto Rico!!! LOL

so they said they will give you your money back or credit you towards a new panasonic? what i understand about the F5300 60" is that it's a pentile display and the 51" and 64" are not still not sure why Samsung did that maybe energy saving test i don't know
post #5195 of 11452
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

hi...i need a little help...i dont have a place where i can compare this type of units,(st60 vs f8500)best buy only have the 60st60 and the 60f530 and they are very far from each other,so,my question is..the ST60 half the price of the 60f8500...is it worth the money on the samsung,its really that good? i used to have a 55st50 and i take it back because of burn in image,panasonic will give me my money back so i was looking for a new set that is not a panny but the price is a little steep..i have the money but dont want to burn it in something that is not gonna make a difference in picture quality that is my only concern...im not a gamer,no streamer,just blue ray.thanks for the help guys.saludos from Puerto Rico!!! LOL

If money is a concern than the ST60 would be the choice I would make.The ST60 is the bang for the buck set this year and an excellent performer. I cant put a "worth" between the sets (I never do) as this is a personal choice, to some it may be worth it, to others it may not.....save some money get an ST60 then get it calibrated smile.gif
post #5196 of 11452
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

so they said they will give you your money back or credit you towards a new panasonic?
money back,a check for the quantity i pay for the unit
post #5197 of 11452
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

I couldn't agree more!! I like my picture to look as the way "I think" it "should" look for examples of what I mean take baseball games, basketball or what I'm watching right now golf, if I use some of the settings I've seen posted you would think they're playing golf at dusk when in fact it is sunny and bright in Ponte Vedra Beach right now.. I've been to MANY baseball games and basketball games so I know how it looks be it under the lights or during a daytime game not to mention I play a lot of golf and I can tell you there's a reason we have to wear sunglasses on days like today, its BRIGHT out there biggrin.gif

I think that we are getting confused with picture accuracy and picture quality. When we say that calibrators are trying to make the picture look as accurate as possible, we don't mean in relation to real life. We mean in relation to what the director and color correction team intended. So that if the director intended x value for red, the display shows that value of red. Even if x value for red is not the value we see in real life. So if you hire a calibrator to come and calibrate your tv, he will bring it to as close to reference as possible. As close as acurate to what the director intended as possible. Not as close to real life as possible.

Now the term PQ is purely subjective. What is pleasing in terms of picture quality to you can be the opposite for me. PQ can mean accuracy for some but it doesn't have to. That's what I think Vinnie meant by some people will be less happy with the pq after a calibration. I know that my first impression after calibration was that the image looked a bit soft. It wasn't until I started noticing how white the whites were and how black the blacks were that I really started to appreciate accuracy over pop. Now I can't even look at any tv set to vivid mode.
post #5198 of 11452
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

money back,a check for the quantity i pay for the unit

Saludos Boricua! Jealous of anyone living on la isla del encanto right about now. If money is the major concern I'd say go with with ST60 and if you have some cash left over and someone is touring, get a calibration. I'd think this could bring you close to the pq of a 8500 out of the box and save you some extra money for blu rays. Just my dos centavos.
post #5199 of 11452
btw i was on BB and both 60ST60 and 50ST60 have image retention (BBC EARTH)....SAMSUNG have none...0!!!
post #5200 of 11452
but im not planning on leaving the plasma (panasonic or samsung) with a logo all day long but is incredible how the sammys handle the IR!!!
post #5201 of 11452
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Originally Posted by mightymouseusf View Post

Saludos Boricua! Jealous of anyone living on la isla del encanto right about now. If money is the major concern I'd say go with with ST60 and if you have some cash left over and someone is touring, get a calibration. I'd think this could bring you close to the pq of a 8500 out of the box and save you some extra money for blu rays. Just my dos centavos.

saludos im from caguas bro!!! money is not the concern,i have it,im just asking if "vale la pena" spend double the money!!!
post #5202 of 11452
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Every body says that the movie mode is quite accurate and needs just few adjustments.

The standard and relax modes are also very good. Although you are limited with the adjustments you can make in the relax mode, it seems to provide the most accurate out of the box colors, as well as a clean comfortable picture. I go to standard when I want a little more brightness. I haven't found a scenario where I prefer the movie or dynamic mode, so I haven't been using them.
post #5203 of 11452
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

The standard and relax modes are also very good. Although you are limited with the adjustments you can make in the relax mode, it seems to provide the most accurate out of the box colors, as well as a clean comfortable picture. I go to standard when I want a little more brightness. I haven't found a scenario where I prefer the movie or dynamic mode, so I haven't been using them.

I agree. The relax mode is pretty good. Not sure about the color accuracy, but this mode really lets the picture depth through. I watch The Hobbit in this mode and the picture quality is awesome. I use standard mode when I want a brighter picture.
post #5204 of 11452
Hello everyone,

Just wanted to update you guys and let you know that I tested the 51" and 60" versions of the 8500. Sad to say, I don't have good news. In Game mode, I averaged between 98-112ms, and in PC mode I averaged between 56-68ms. This is using the Lag Tester. It qualifies under the "BAD" rating of my site. frown.gif

I tested most of the 2013 Samsungs and they are currently in the database, you can view it here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
post #5205 of 11452
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

using some of the others calibrated numbers in csm and white bal just add to the richness and depth in subtle ways... but by no means does out of the box movie mode look artificial! vinnie just ran out of things to argue wink.gifwink.gif

I bet he is out of ideas smile.gif specially after the latest update
post #5206 of 11452
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

that's the way i prefer it as well, as close to Native as i can get it without all the enhancement turned on. then if it's not pleasing enough I can tweek it from there

Yes thats the way I do it too
post #5207 of 11452
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

btw i was on BB and both 60ST60 and 50ST60 have image retention (BBC EARTH)....SAMSUNG have none...0!!!

That's too bad...the 64" F5500 is a really nice tv. You don't here much about it, but personally, I prefer it over the ST60. It's something you should see first though, side by side against the ST60. I found it a much more pleasing picture. It also has a far superior 3D and smart functionality. If and when you get to see it, you'll know what I mean. People are much more familiar with the ST60, so you will probably here that model suggested more, but that doesn't mean it's a better tv...it's not, in my opinion.
post #5208 of 11452
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Originally Posted by FourWude View Post

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to update you guys and let you know that I tested the 51" and 60" versions of the 8500. Sad to say, I don't have good news. In Game mode, I averaged between 98-112ms, and in PC mode I averaged between 56-68ms. This is using the Lag Tester. It qualifies under the "BAD" rating of my site. frown.gif

I tested most of the 2013 Samsungs and they are currently in the database, you can view it here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

Sounds about right as other reviews have gotten about the same numbers......Guess tis a good thing that LAG isnt really important to me, but for gamers its good info...
post #5209 of 11452
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

The standard and relax modes are also very good. Although you are limited with the adjustments you can make in the relax mode, it seems to provide the most accurate out of the box colors, as well as a clean comfortable picture. I go to standard when I want a little more brightness. I haven't found a scenario where I prefer the movie or dynamic mode, so I haven't been using them.

Really good to hear that. I usually prefer movie mode with warm 2. You need sometime to get used to it but once you do you will like it a lot
post #5210 of 11452
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

btw i was on BB and both 60ST60 and 50ST60 have image retention (BBC EARTH)....SAMSUNG have none...0!!!

I saw IR on the F8500 and the VT60 at MHT.
post #5211 of 11452
can some post a link or Cal settings from different experts ..just to get some comparison and do manual adjustments as per taste....smile.gif
post #5212 of 11452
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

That's too bad...the 64" F5500 is a really nice tv. You don't here much about it, but personally, I prefer it over the ST60. It's something you should see first though, side by side against the ST60. I found it a much more pleasing picture. It also has a far superior 3D and smart functionality. If and when you get to see it, you'll know what I mean. People are much more familiar with the ST60, so you will probably here that model suggested more, but that doesn't mean it's a better tv...it's not, in my opinion.
ok,i check this one today at sears (64f5500),i have to wait a month and a week to get it,i dont want the 60F5500 for obvious reasons (pentile) but.....for 800 more i get the 60f8500 so i have to think about it,like i said,i have the money to buy the 60f8500 but......if the 5500 or the st60 give me almost as good as f8500 picture quality well..i pull the trigger.
post #5213 of 11452
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Originally Posted by FourWude View Post

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to update you guys and let you know that I tested the 51" and 60" versions of the 8500. Sad to say, I don't have good news. In Game mode, I averaged between 98-112ms, and in PC mode I averaged between 56-68ms. This is using the Lag Tester. It qualifies under the "BAD" rating of my site. frown.gif

I tested most of the 2013 Samsungs and they are currently in the database, you can view it here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

What firmware were you using? The latest 1103 or whatever it came with out of the box?
post #5214 of 11452
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

money back,a check for the quantity i pay for the unit
that good news
post #5215 of 11452
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Really good to hear that. I usually prefer movie mode with warm 2. You need sometime to get used to it but once you do you will like it a lot

I like movie mode when watching movies and basic TV but i must say that when watching Sports like baseball i perfer standard mode IMHO
post #5216 of 11452
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

I bet he is out of ideas smile.gif specially after the latest update

he's been so quiet lately i had to take the opportunity to razz him a lil !
post #5217 of 11452
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

I like movie mode when watching movies and basic TV but i must say that when watching Sports like baseball i perfer standard mode IMHO

+1...I agree. Also a cooler temp makes live events appear live while a warmer temp gives recorded material a more theatrical appearance...IMO.
post #5218 of 11452
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Originally Posted by FourWude View Post

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to update you guys and let you know that I tested the 51" and 60" versions of the 8500. Sad to say, I don't have good news. /

Yeah, I feel this isn't really a good gamer TV if you're heavily into gaming.
I'm not so the odd play is workable.

2c.
post #5219 of 11452
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

Yeah, I feel this isn't really a good gamer TV if you're heavily into gaming.
I'm not so the odd play is workable.

2c.
I wonder if this is something that can be improved upon with a firmware update or next years migration kit
post #5220 of 11452
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

I wonder if this is something that can be improved upon with a firmware update or next years migration kit

I certainly hope so.
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