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Originally Posted by Picasso Moon View Post

With seven HDMI cables running to my pre/pro things were getting so tight it was becoming impossible to access anything back there with the thick cables and ferrite cores. When one of the cable ends started coming loose because of being squashed by tight surroundings I replaced it with one of these RedMere cables from Monoprice.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255

After installing it I was so impressed I replaced all of the HDMI cables in my system with RedMere cables. Huge improvement. What was a cluttered mess is now neat with plenty of space. They are a little more expensive than a std. cable and they are directional so you have to pay attention when installing them but they are well worth the price in my book.
There are non Redmere 36 AWG cables in shorter lengths that can also be handy. I replaced my Monoprice 28 AWG 1.5' and 3' cables with these and they have been working fine. Our components have never had handshake problems and nothing changed after the swap. I'll be replacing a 15' 28 AWG cable to our TV at some point with a Redmere cable. I've always used Monoprice 28 AWG cables in installations for our extended family.

I run everything through our AVRs so it makes a much less cluttered installation.

EDIT: I don't use ARC.
Edited by htwaits - 5/14/13 at 2:33pm
post #5972 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Picasso Moon View Post

With seven HDMI cables running to my pre/pro things were getting so tight it was becoming impossible to access anything back there with the thick cables and ferrite cores. When one of the cable ends started coming loose because of being squashed by tight surroundings I replaced it with one of these RedMere cables from Monoprice.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255

After installing it I was so impressed I replaced all of the HDMI cables in my system with RedMere cables. Huge improvement. What was a cluttered mess is now neat with plenty of space. They are a little more expensive than a std. cable and they are directional so you have to pay attention when installing them but they are well worth the price in my book.

Do you use ARC? What is your ARC experience with RedMere HDMI cables?
post #5973 of 11477
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm looking forward to what you find.

Thanks.

Yep Jacko is right, with the camera down every time I turn on my TV I get the " deactivated''message.. Camera is staying up from now on lol..
post #5974 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Juuuusssstttttt a little bit late wink.gif

Was posted a page or few back been a lot of activity since the results where released yesterday.

Yea but it still feels good smile.gif
its feels as if we've just entered a new era..
Some think Panasonic is giving up on plasma technology but I say no way and I have a feeling we'll see another run for the " best ever'' by both Samsung and Panasonic for years to come smile.gif
Edited by Pinger - 5/14/13 at 3:34pm
post #5975 of 11477
Have the shootout crew released the calibration numbers yet?
post #5976 of 11477
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

From what I've heard, Samsung has put some firm price controls in place over the last few years when it comes to the entrenched retailers (gray/black market would be a different story).

I think this is accurate

There was a day when Fry's electronics would have a, brick and mortar only, fire sale on Samsung( and other brand) TV's

I scored there a few times over the years at prices that were typically $400-600 below other retailers

They didnt do this on Samsung in 2012

Rumor has it they were taking a loss on some TV's to drive traffic

I understand the need for manufacturer price control...on the other hand I did enjoy those low prices


Warren
post #5977 of 11477
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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post



Do you use ARC? What is your ARC experience with RedMere HDMI cables?

Sorry no. My pre/pro and current display are pre ARC so I don't use it. That is something I never even thought about. Since the cables are directional there is probably a good chance they would not work for ARC.

Upon further review, it appears they do support ARC.
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This cable supports the following HDMI features:

1080p Resolution - This High Speed HDMI Cable has sufficient bandwidth to transfer 1080p video signals between 1080p rated source and sink (display) devices.

HDMI Ethernet Channel - The HDMI Ethernet Channel provides 100 Mbps, full-duplex Ethernet traffic along the HDMI cable, allowing a wired or wireless Ethernet connection on one device to be propagated to other devices. Note that for this feature to be functional, all pieces of equipment between the Ethernet source and the destination must support the HDMI Ethernet Channel feature.

Audio Return Channel - Normally, your HDMI cable carries audio information along with the video from a source device (e.g. blu-ray player) to the sink device (display/television). Often times this goes through an AV receiver to drive a home theater audio system. The Audio Return Channel is primarily used to send the audio signal generated by the television when its internal tuner is used, back to the AV receiver, so that you can use your home theater audio system when watching television signals.

3D - 3D is the latest rage for both home theater and gaming. A High Speed HDMI Cable is capable of handling the high bandwidth requirements of 3D signals.

4K - The 4K resolution is 3840 x 2160 pixels @ 24 Hz, which is four times that of a 1080p display and the same resolution used by state-of-the-art Digital Cinema systems. A High Speed HDMI Cable is capable of handling the high bandwidth required for 4K support.

Deep Color - The Deep Color feature provides a minimum of 8-bits per color element (24-bits total), providing for a total of over 16 million color variations. Other versions of Deep Color allow for up to 16-bits per element, for a total of 48-bits and over 281 trillion color variations, which really makes your video images come to life!

x.v.Color™ - x.v.Color is a promotion name given to the products that have the capability to realize a wide color space based on the xvYCC specifications and is a trademark of Sony Corporation. Currently, only AVCHD and Playstation™ 3 devices support x.v.Color.

High Definition Audio - HDMI supports a full range of high definition audio types, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, and Dolby TrueHD™.

Edited by Picasso Moon - 5/14/13 at 4:14pm
post #5978 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Picasso Moon View Post

Sorry no. My pre/pro and current display are pre ARC so I don't use it. That is something I never even thought about. Since the cables are directional there is probably a good chance they would not work for ARC.

Upon further review, it appears they do support ARC.

Redmere certainly does support ARC. At least the Monoprice ones do.
post #5979 of 11477
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

I just wanted take a moment to bring up "Digital Clean View".

I know most just turns this off as the prevailing conventional wisdom says turn off all processing. By doing so, I'd suggest you may not be getting as good of a picture as you could be, especially when watching Cable or Satellite content. But even with some film content...

...depending on how much you like the "ant crawl" or dancing dots" of film grain/noise.

I've watched an F8500 through an HDMI splitter next to a Kuro 9G and "Digital Clean View, to my eyes, provides a fairly massive, yet innocuous, improvement to picture quality. I think we sometimes forget that video processing gets better and better with better techniques and faster processing. Conventional wisdom says "turn it off" but is that "wisdom" still 100% valid? Is it based on the algorithms and processing muscle (or lack therefor) of yore? How would we know if we just turn it off without truly evaluating its effects?

Watch Empire Strikes Back for example with it off and then with it on. It's pretty staggering IMO. I've watched a number of BD titles where the ant crawl, especially on a large screen, is a distraction...even on newer movies. There is a scene in Wrath of the Titans where the the walls are crawling with noise. You'll seen this often on walls in lower light scenes where film was digitized or shot with lower quality digital cameras (or the film was not de-noised). Turn on Digital Clean View, even on Low, and it cleans it up perfectly. The wall or background stops dancing and the rest of the image stays exactly the same to my eyes. Next to the Kuro, I noticed no ill effects of this processing other than making the picture stable and cleaner. Color and contrast looked the same, etc.

This is basically a kind of temporal denoising and it works very very well IMO.

I think we forget that audio and video are restored and cleaned up in mastering labs with this kind of processing all the time. Samsung has offered us, IMO some excellent processing that perhaps should be considered and not just turned off without further thought or evaluation. Seeing the effects, side by side, I find it hard to watch the picture and not be distracted by dancing dots in walls and backgrounds that become completely stable and far less distracting with a little help from the F8500's excellent and modern video processing.

Anyway...try it. You might like it. The next time you see a wall crawling with digital ants...turn it on and see if you like what it does. YMMV of course. Luckily it's easy to toggle.

I totally agree with you. I have tried to keep it off but keep turning it back on. Not sure why they say to turn it off all the time. I guess maybe it takes out some of the details but to me there seems to be more noise than it takes out details.
post #5980 of 11477
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

That's pretty interesting. Did he re-calibrate after the update?

I don't know for sure, but I don't think it was calibrated at all.
post #5981 of 11477
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

That's pretty interesting. Did he re-calibrate after the update?

I don't know for sure, but I don't think it was calibrated at all.
Probably not, but if calibrated, guess who would have done the work. wink.gif
post #5982 of 11477
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Originally Posted by Rice Rocket View Post

Redmere certainly does support ARC. At least the Monoprice ones do.

Probably why I edited my post to say it does support ARC.rolleyes.gif
post #5983 of 11477
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Originally Posted by surfmlb View Post

I totally agree with you. I have tried to keep it off but keep turning it back on. Not sure why they say to turn it off all the time. I guess maybe it takes out some of the details but to me there seems to be more noise than it takes out details.

Ive been keeping it on since i had my old C8000. I think it was called something else though but it was the same kind of feature. I keep the mpeg noise filter on high too.
post #5984 of 11477
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Probably not, but if calibrated, guess who would have done the work. wink.gif

Yea, I really was not looking forward to possibly having BB calibrate my set, so I'm happy Buzz will be doing it...my first calibration. I'm hoping he can make a really nice cal-day, but I know the firmware is quirky, so we'll see. Even though he's a bum, I'm confident he will make it as good as it can possibly be rolleyes.gif

Another indication of how the firmware effected the picture is that a tweaked version of Dynamic mode is actually a functional option now...occasionally. It was way too much before the update, but on some content, it works all right now. I also have to raise the gamma to +1 on the other sources sometimes, but not always.

I think I do prefer a brighter picture than most, so whatever night mode Buzz comes come up with, I'll probably ask him to make it brighter than a standard calibration. With dark content, this set looks better a little brighter than other plasma's I've owned. It sure is nice to be able to use whatever settings look best and not have to worry about ABL though, that's for sure!
post #5985 of 11477
Man oh man, have you guys seen the hostility over in the shootout thread? Ever since the new "King" was announced, some of those guys have lost it. That thread is truly in the gutter.
Edited by Ken Ross - 5/15/13 at 3:59am
post #5986 of 11477
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

I certainly don't want to open a can of worms, but I have also noticed a subtle change in regards to sharpness. Is it the reason it didn't measure so high at the shootout, I don't know, but it may of had something to do with it. I knew there was something different about picture after the update and wasn't sure what changed initially, but I think I have a better idea now after talking to him. He made a pretty compelling case.

Did you try compensating with a click up in sharpness to see if the detail recovered?

What's odd is that Robert's shootout 8500 had the update yet people still saw a sharpness difference in favor of the 8500.
post #5987 of 11477
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Yea, I really was not looking forward to possibly having BB calibrate my set, so I'm happy Buzz will be doing it...my first calibration. I'm hoping he can make a really nice cal-day, but I know the firmware is quirky, so we'll see. Even though he's a bum, I'm confident he will make it as good as it can possibly be rolleyes.gif

Another indication of how the firmware effected the picture is that a tweaked version of Dynamic mode is actually a functional option now...occasionally. It was way too much before the update, but on some content, it works all right now. I also have to raise the gamma to +1 on the other sources sometimes, but not always.

I think I do prefer a brighter picture than most, so whatever night mode Buzz comes come up with, I'll probably ask him to make it brighter than a standard calibration. With dark content, this set looks better a little brighter than other plasma's I've owned. It sure is nice to be able to use whatever settings look best and not have to worry about ABL though, that's for sure!

My meters are protected from the rain underneath a secure cardboard roof so no issue there. Also, my roommates have been using the Klein to flick away roaches and palm rats but the build quality is so high that damage is inconceivable.

Light output will be set to whatever you feel is correct for your environment. I have recommendations but you are the one who will be watching the Packers win the Super Bowl next year so whatever floats your boat.... wink.gif
post #5988 of 11477
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post


Yea, I really was not looking forward to possibly having BB calibrate my set, so I'm happy Buzz will be doing it...my first calibration. I'm hoping he can make a really nice cal-day, but I know the firmware is quirky, so we'll see. Even though he's a bum, I'm confident he will make it as good as it can possibly be rolleyes.gif

Another indication of how the firmware effected the picture is that a tweaked version of Dynamic mode is actually a functional option now...occasionally. It was way too much before the update, but on some content, it works all right now. I also have to raise the gamma to +1 on the other sources sometimes, but not always.

I think I do prefer a brighter picture than most, so whatever night mode Buzz comes come up with, I'll probably ask him to make it brighter than a standard calibration. With dark content, this set looks better a little brighter than other plasma's I've owned. It sure is nice to be able to use whatever settings look best and not have to worry about ABL though, that's for sure!
Here is something to try that's based on what I think is typical wide variations in TV source material PQ. Don't chase it for a couple of weeks after your calibration. Then, if you still need to make changes, try to keep them simple so it's aways easy to get back to your calibrated state.

Enjoy.
post #5989 of 11477
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

My meters are protected from the rain underneath a secure cardboard roof so no issue there. Also, my roommates have been using the Klein to flick away roaches and palm rats but the build quality is so high that damage is inconceivable.

Light output will be set to whatever you feel is correct for your environment. I have recommendations but you are the one who will be watching the Packers win the Super Bowl next year so whatever floats your boat.... wink.gif

Oh my goodness, I forgot you were a cheese head. I do like the running backs you picked up in the draft though. Eddie Lacy is going to a beast to tackle. But, none the less...

THE BEARS RULE!!!
post #5990 of 11477
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

I have recommendations but you are the one who will be watching the Packers win the Super Bowl next year so whatever floats your boat.... wink.gif
Have you forgotten their last game already? I guess, under the circumstances, it's healthier to forget. redface.gif
post #5991 of 11477
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Oh my goodness, I forgot you were a cheese head. I do like the running backs you picked up in the draft though. Eddie Lacy is going to a beast to tackle. But, none the less...

THE BEARS RULE!!!

My (present) wife used to date Bobby Douglass when he QB'd the Bears. rolleyes.gif Bye bye Bobby, I win, you lose. lol

GO PACK!!!!!
post #5992 of 11477
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Here is something to try that's based on what I think is typical wide variations in TV source material PQ. Don't chase it for a couple of weeks after your calibration. Then, if you still need to make changes, try to keep them simple so it's aways easy to get back to your calibrated state.

Enjoy.

Sounds like excellent advice. Hopefully, I won't mess it up!
post #5993 of 11477
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Have you forgotten their last game already? I guess, under the circumstances, it's healthier to forget. redface.gif

I'm a Marine. Defeat is not a word with which I am familiar. wink.gif
post #5994 of 11477
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

Oh my goodness, I forgot you were a cheese head. I do like the running backs you picked up in the draft though. Eddie Lacy is going to a beast to tackle. But, none the less...

THE BEARS RULE!!!

yeah ok...the bears are like the cubs. close but never are going to enjoy that cigar.biggrin.gif
post #5995 of 11477
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Have you forgotten their last game already? I guess, under the circumstances, it's healthier to forget. redface.gif

I'm a Marine. Defeat is not a word with which I am familiar. wink.gif
Just keep it like that until after the first game this year. eek.gif
post #5996 of 11477
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

My wife just last night said the same thing. She also stated that I am obsessing over it.

Boy, she sure doesn't understand!!!!!

How to talk to your wife / girlfriend / SO regarding your TV purchase
A free tutorial:

Darling (honey / sweetie pie / etc),

Imagine if you own just ONE main pair of shoes. Yes, you may have other miscellaneous utilitarian shoes, for jogging, doing yardwork, etc. but you have only ONE main pair of shoes, which you have to wear for work, socializing, etc. -- basically, any time you need to look good or presentable, this is your one pair of shoes that you will wear.

This one pair of shoes, depending on your solvency, costs you anywhere from $800 to $8000 or more. You can, again, depending on your solvency, or level of narcissism, reasonably expect to buy a new pair every 2 to 5 or even 10 YEARS, at which point your husband / boyfriend / SO will inevitably ask why you need a new pair of shoes, what's wrong with the one you got now, it still looks fine, etc...

Now, here's the final kick in the shin: you know that as soon as you have bought and broken in your one pair of shoes, newer, better, more comfortable shoes that make you look WAY HOTTER will hit the shelves.

You can SELL your one pair of shoes, of course. For a fraction of what you paid. Assuming anyone still wants it and you're not better off just giving it to a needier friend or relative, or Good Will.

So darling (honey / sweetie pie / etc), how long would it take you to buy this one pair of shoes?
post #5997 of 11477
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

How to talk to your wife / girlfriend / SO regarding your TV purchase
A free tutorial:

Darling (honey / sweetie pie / etc),

Imagine if you own just ONE main pair of shoes. Yes, you may have other miscellaneous utilitarian shoes, for jogging, doing yardwork, etc. but you have only ONE main pair of shoes, which you have to wear for work, socializing, etc. -- basically, any time you need to look good or presentable, this is your one pair of shoes that you will wear.

This one pair of shoes, depending on your solvency, costs you anywhere from $800 to $8000 or more. You can, again, depending on your solvency, or level of narcissism, reasonably expect to buy a new pair every 2 to 5 or even 10 YEARS, at which point your husband / boyfriend / SO will inevitably ask why you need a new pair of shoes, what's wrong with the one you got now, it still looks fine, etc...

Now, here's the final kick in the shin: you know that as soon as you have bought and broken in your one pair of shoes, newer, better, more comfortable shoes that make you look WAY HOTTER will hit the shelves.

You can SELL your one pair of shoes, of course. For a fraction of what you paid. Assuming anyone still wants it and you're not better off just giving it to a needier friend or relative, or Good Will.

So darling (honey / sweetie pie / etc), how long would it take you to buy this one pair of shoes?

Interesting but I just keep it simple, I just grow some balls and tell her, I'm off to buy a new TV babe. Whether she likes it or not who cares, if I'm paying for it, she has no say but enjoy it. If she was paying or helping to pay it, than that's a different story, but I see where you guys are coming from, some women are difficult.biggrin.gif
post #5998 of 11477
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

How to talk to your wife / girlfriend / SO regarding your TV purchase
A free tutorial:

Darling (honey / sweetie pie / etc),

Imagine if you own just ONE main pair of shoes. Yes, you may have other miscellaneous utilitarian shoes, for jogging, doing yardwork, etc. but you have only ONE main pair of shoes, which you have to wear for work, socializing, etc. -- basically, any time you need to look good or presentable, this is your one pair of shoes that you will wear.

This one pair of shoes, depending on your solvency, costs you anywhere from $800 to $8000 or more. You can, again, depending on your solvency, or level of narcissism, reasonably expect to buy a new pair every 2 to 5 or even 10 YEARS, at which point your husband / boyfriend / SO will inevitably ask why you need a new pair of shoes, what's wrong with the one you got now, it still looks fine, etc...

Now, here's the final kick in the shin: you know that as soon as you have bought and broken in your one pair of shoes, newer, better, more comfortable shoes that make you look WAY HOTTER will hit the shelves.

You can SELL your one pair of shoes, of course. For a fraction of what you paid. Assuming anyone still wants it and you're not better off just giving it to a needier friend or relative, or Good Will.

So darling (honey / sweetie pie / etc), how long would it take you to buy this one pair of shoes?

Good analogous argument. smile.gif
post #5999 of 11477
I was looking to upgrade from my 55" to the 65". Wife says - 84" or don't bring it in the door! Now if I can only get her to pay for it!
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Interesting but I just keep it simple, I just grow some balls and tell her, I'm off to buy a new TV babe. Whether she likes it or not who cares, if I'm paying for it, she has no say but enjoy it. If she was paying or helping to pay it, than that's a different story, but I see where you guys are coming from, some women are difficult.biggrin.gif

And then you wake up and either a) find yourself clipped b) alone c) a room full of other expensive items that she just "needed".....biggrin.gif
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