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post #7081 of 11459
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

This dismissal is exactly what I'm talking about. "You can't have a problem, because I don't!"
Drop what you're doing right now.....Please pick up your 8500's touchpad remote.....press the menu button, goto picture mode/picture options/black optimizer, and tell me if you see anything visually change on the screen after cycling through its settings.......please report back after you do this....if you can't do this because you don't own an 8500, then I think you better keep quiet...lol
post #7082 of 11459
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

You must have misunderstood my question. I apologize.

I understand MLL with black optimizer enabled is very close to VT/ZT60.

Keep in mind, I'm coming from a four year old Kuro, and these current gen plasmas are still not hitting that MLL- but I am aware we're at the point now where the difference is negligible in perception, and other factors matter.

I'm ok with this. I'm no Panasonic fanboy, and I want the F8500 to be "the" set.

However, I'm hearing that with black optimizer enabled, floating blacks is a not-negligible, actually perceptible problem some are seeing. So you turn the optimizer off to fix this issue.

Now you have black levels from Panasonic's 3-year old models. Yes, I would call that poor for a 2013 set for this kind of money. Anyone would.

So the question is, if you receive a set with floating blacks in "black-optimized" mode, you now have the choice of poor blacks or floating blacks, no?

You seem to be arguing that the blacks are pretty great, but ignore the fact that they are only great with black optimizer on.

It is also a fact that some people have noticed floating blacks with black optimizer on. I'm not claiming every set does this.

I'm not claiming the F8500's blacks are "poor" with black optimizer on.

I hope everything is clearly understood now.

OK, I got it. But the truth is I don't know of anyone that's not using the black optimizer. I also haven't seen people complaining about floating blacks either nor did I hear attendees or calibrators complain about it with the 8500. Dave was the first to mention it that I've seen since the firmware update.

So at this point, I think this appears to be a very isolated issue for one user. If others are still seeing floating blacks, I'd be curious to hear, but I haven't read this in a while.

The other thing about floating blacks, they're very hard to see. As more and more bright areas impinge into an otherwise dark scene, your ability to see the very lowest levels of black becomes seriously compromised as your pupils dilate. That's just physiology.
post #7083 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

So the findings of the shootout, the measured MLLs and everyone else's observations, including calibrators are now meaningless? Cherry picking is certainly one of your strengths. Reminds of the guy who jumped on Hali's 8500 off-color pix with her cellphone. When she posted pix from a better camera and the colors looked fine, he was nowhere to be found...and I told her that would happen.

Another day on AVS. Some things never change.

But hey, thanks for providing further proof of my original assertion 'they just wait for an opening'.

Glad to see you continue to enjoy hanging out here.
Glad? I doubt it. I think it really negatively impacts your day given how much attention you give it, which makes me want to hang around even more.

No one's cherry-picking, and I'm still here unlike Urga, and as soon as you stop engaging in personal swipes (and generalizations and stereotypes against even new posters like nfraso) at anyone who you perceive to have a bias against your beloved, the sooner we can move on. Concerning the shootout findings, that's a single television. Even David was informed they're expecting another firmware update to fix this unstable black problem, so unless Robert was lying to him, there *is* something to this issue, even if only 1% of the owners can see it.
post #7084 of 11459
Just want to say, I absolutely loved the picture before, but my calibrator came yesterday (Doug Weil) and did his thing and... OH .. MY .. GAWD! My wife and I watched Jack Reacher last night on the best picture I've ever seen. Ever, ever.... I am so freaking happy! I've never ever seen anything look this flat out perfect. Doug was laughing at me when he put in his reference bluray and about 10 minutes into it I screamed out: HOLY ****, and he's like what? and I was like, I just realized this movie has black bars! They had disappeared into the dark. Like, bezel black. You had to strain really hard to tell and it was difficult (near pitch black room).

He got so much more out of this tv that I never thought possible. The calibration was worth 10 times what I paid for it... I just can't believe what I am seeing now. The colors are orgasmic. Everything is just, so.... f'n PERFECT now. I could not be happier and I am so glad I cancelled my zt60 order and got this. It's so clear, clean and picture perfect. It POPS and is black as night. Hell yes... this will make me happy for the next decade easy.
post #7085 of 11459
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

If the only defense at this point is that owners seeing floating blacks are obviously mistaken, as we have all of these professionals/calibrators who think the blacks look great with the optimizer on, please understand that all attendees were looking at one instance of this set.

There are many out there, and many more to be shipped. How prevalent this issue is isn't known at this point. Simply dismissing it isn't helping anyone.

How am I dismissing it when I'm asking for other owner's feedback? How am I dismissing it when I'm following up for Dave with an email to Robert?

Putting things in perspective and dismissing an issue are two different things.

Are you considering the 8500? If so, go to stores to see it yourself.
post #7086 of 11459
If this is the wrong forum in which to ask, please direct me to something suitable.

2 questions:

According to my local Magnolia, delivery and setup entails an additional $200 fee, but https://myrewardzone.bestbuy.com/silver/benefits says all that is requred for Premier Silver ("PS") membership is that one spend $2500 in a calendar year. It also says PS includes free delivery (and several other things).

So wny is Magnolia asking for a fee to deliver?

The salesman at Magnolia says that "Anybody selling the television for less than $3399.98 is NOT an authorized dealer and you would not have a manufacturer's warranty".

Is that true?
post #7087 of 11459
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

Just want to say, I absolutely loved the picture before, but my calibrator came yesterday (Doug Weil) and did his thing and... OH .. MY .. GAWD! My wife and I watched Jack Reacher last night on the best picture I've ever seen. Ever, ever.... I am so freaking happy! I've never ever seen anything look this flat out perfect. Doug was laughing at me when he put in his reference bluray and about 10 minutes into it I screamed out: HOLY ****, and he's like what? and I was like, I just realized this movie has black bars! They had disappeared into the dark. Like, bezel black. You had to strain really hard to tell and it was difficult (near pitch black room).

He got so much more out of this tv that I never thought possible. I could not be happier and I am so glad I cancelled my zt60 order and got this. It's so clear, clean and picture perfect. It POPS and is black as night. Hell yes... this will make me happy for the next decade easy.
I'm glad you're enjoying it, but this disappearing into black bezels phenomenon is not a new one (and yes, it is evidence of at least shootout-measured deep black levels...happy, Ken?). wink.gif
post #7088 of 11459
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

Drop what you're doing right now.....Please pick up your 8500's touchpad remote.....press the menu button, goto picture mode/picture options/black optimizer, and tell me if you see anything visually change on the screen after cycling through its settings.......please report back after you do this....if you can't do this because you don't own an 8500, then I think you better keep quiet...lol

Someone has done this, in case you missed. Are you claiming Dave is hallucinating?
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Received my 64F8500 yesterday. Very good uniformity, no buzzing, and no dead pixels.

One major issue though: floating blacks despite the most recent firmware. There are a number of scenes where the brightness spills into the black bars on various content which does not occur on my ST30. It looks like a momentary fluctuation. I do almost entirely dark room viewing so this will not be seen with lights on. Have been watching a lot of Star Trek Original Series on Blu lately and comparing the same scenes shows the ST30 holding its blacks much better even if they are not as dark as the F8500 most of the time. However, it's distracting to watch because the same scene almost changes.. I've got all of the enhancement stuff turned off but am using dark optimizer for dark room, movie mode, contrast at 90, gamma -1, cell light at 13 to 14 at times, brightness at 47 or 49 - slips my memory. On any rate, this is a major issue for me.

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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

turn off black optimizer and blacks will be stable, this is inherent in the way samsung drives its panels.

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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

But then the blacks are hardly better than my ST30!
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

correct, you need to decide what aspects are important to you.
post #7089 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

How am I dismissing it when I'm asking for other owner's feedback? How am I dismissing it when I'm following up for Dave with an email to Robert?

Putting things in perspective and dismissing an issue are two different things.

Are you considering the 8500? If so, go to stores to see it yourself.

These posts were all dismissive:
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

It makes no difference slickman. If you had 10 million calibrators and attendees saying it was the best panel ever, but the next day some guy posted he saw an issue with whites, the usual suspects would jump on it. You'd read 'wow, can't believe what lousy whites the 8500 has'. I can guarantee that would happen.

It's really pathetic. I don't have the necessary degrees in psychology to know what causes some to do this. I'm well aware of some of the issues with the Panasonics. Do I wait there in those threads, lurking, so I can pounce on the first opportunity to proclaim the Panasonics have deficiencies? Of course not, why would I? Aside from having no interest in those threads since I've made my decision, what's the point in me trying to tick people off?

But wait these guys do. Waiting, pouncing at the first opportunity. Sad.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

As I said, the Panny zealots sit there and wait. It's so predictable and it's the usual suspects. Never mind that the MLL is very close to the VT/ZT. Never mind that the MLL is better than last year's raved about (for black levels) VT60, never mind that the shootout calibrators called the blacks excellent, the black levels are 'poor' and 'lousy'.

I'm sorry, but this is what's wrong with AVS. More than that, it's what's wrong with some people.
post #7090 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

OK, I got it. But the truth is I don't know of anyone that's not using the black optimizer. I also haven't seen people complaining about floating blacks either nor did I hear attendees or calibrators complain about it with the 8500. Dave was the first to mention it that I've seen since the firmware update.

So at this point, I think this appears to be a very isolated issue for one user. If others are still seeing floating blacks, I'd be curious to hear, but I haven't read this in a while.

The other thing about floating blacks, they're very hard to see. As more and more bright areas impinge into an otherwise dark scene, your ability to see the very lowest levels of black becomes seriously compromised as your pupils dilate. That's just physiology.

ken, I think Dave stated he sees light spillage into the black bar area when watching movies. he's calling this FB'S which really isn't the proper analogy. I stated early that I see spillage into the black bar area as well with bright contrast scenes. he pointed out that his previous set didn't do this, and was asking if others see this as well. I think your correct about fb's In general around brighter objects, I have not witnessed it. just the light spillage is all.
post #7091 of 11459
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Originally Posted by WantsNWarrants View Post

If this is the wrong forum in which to ask, please direct me to something suitable.

2 questions:

According to my local Magnolia, delivery and setup entails an additional $200 fee, but https://myrewardzone.bestbuy.com/silver/benefits says all that is requred for Premier Silver ("PS") membership is that one spend $2500 in a calendar year. It also says PS includes free delivery (and several other things).

So wny is Magnolia asking for a fee to deliver?

The salesman at Magnolia says that "Anybody selling the television for less than $3399.98 is NOT an authorized dealer and you would not have a manufacturer's warranty".

Is that true?
I purchased my 8500 through BB, and I did not pay a delivery fee. I set the tv up myself, but I know the delivery guys would have opened the box for me and got the tv "running". Anything more (i.e. calibration), I wouldn't expect to be free. I think any tv over 42" from BB includes free delivery, and they will also remove your old tv, if you desire.
post #7092 of 11459
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

Just want to say, I absolutely loved the picture before, but my calibrator came yesterday (Doug Weil) and did his thing and... OH .. MY .. GAWD! My wife and I watched Jack Reacher last night on the best picture I've ever seen. Ever, ever.... I am so freaking happy! I've never ever seen anything look this flat out perfect. Doug was laughing at me when he put in his reference bluray and about 10 minutes into it I screamed out: HOLY ****, and he's like what? and I was like, I just realized this movie has black bars! They had disappeared into the dark. Like, bezel black. You had to strain really hard to tell and it was difficult (near pitch black room).

He got so much more out of this tv that I never thought possible. The calibration was worth 10 times what I paid for it... I just can't believe what I am seeing now. The colors are orgasmic. Everything is just, so.... f'n PERFECT now. I could not be happier and I am so glad I cancelled my zt60 order and got this. It's so clear, clean and picture perfect. It POPS and is black as night. Hell yes... this will make me happy for the next decade easy.

but what about those piss poor black levels?rolleyes.gif
post #7093 of 11459
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Originally Posted by WantsNWarrants View Post

If this is the wrong forum in which to ask, please direct me to something suitable.

2 questions:

According to my local Magnolia, delivery and setup entails an additional $200 fee, but https://myrewardzone.bestbuy.com/silver/benefits says all that is requred for Premier Silver ("PS") membership is that one spend $2500 in a calendar year. It also says PS includes free delivery (and several other things).

So wny is Magnolia asking for a fee to deliver?

The salesman at Magnolia says that "Anybody selling the television for less than $3399.98 is NOT an authorized dealer and you would not have a manufacturer's warranty".

Is that true?

BS, AND BS....can you find another magnolia in your area?
post #7094 of 11459
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Glad? I doubt it. I think it really negatively impacts your day given how much attention you give it, which makes me want to hang around even more.

No one's cherry-picking, and I'm still here unlike Urga, and as soon as you stop engaging in personal swipes (and generalizations and stereotypes against even new posters like nfraso) at anyone who you perceive to have a bias against your beloved, the sooner we can move on. Concerning the shootout findings, that's a single television. Even David was informed they're expecting another firmware update to fix this unstable black problem, so unless Robert was lying to him, there *is* something to this issue, even if only 1% of the owners can see it.

So I'm the reason you're still here Vinnie? BS in spades.

I'm not engaging in any personal swipes. If you think my correcting misinformation from the usual suspects is a personal swipe, you are wrong. And think what you like, but your cherry picking is very obvious.

It's also interesting that the positive virtues of the 8500 in the shootout can now be characterized as 'one television'. So perhaps the black levels of the VT/ZT may not be reproducible in most/all ZT'S/VTs. After all that was just 'one television'. This is getting really weird. It's taken on the look of almost 'desperation' in some posts. Bizarre.

Try as you may Vinnie, you won't drive me out of the 8500 thread. I gave up on the shootout thread since there were only so many lies I could take over there. It had become an utterly useless thread. Here we still have owners helping owners and here there are many others that can and do call out the fallacious remarks of some.
post #7095 of 11459
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

Just want to say, I absolutely loved the picture before, but my calibrator came yesterday (Doug Weil) and did his thing and... OH .. MY .. GAWD! My wife and I watched Jack Reacher last night on the best picture I've ever seen. Ever, ever.... I am so freaking happy! I've never ever seen anything look this flat out perfect. Doug was laughing at me when he put in his reference bluray and about 10 minutes into it I screamed out: HOLY ****, and he's like what? and I was like, I just realized this movie has black bars! They had disappeared into the dark. Like, bezel black. You had to strain really hard to tell and it was difficult (near pitch black room).

He got so much more out of this tv that I never thought possible. The calibration was worth 10 times what I paid for it... I just can't believe what I am seeing now. The colors are orgasmic. Everything is just, so.... f'n PERFECT now. I could not be happier and I am so glad I cancelled my zt60 order and got this. It's so clear, clean and picture perfect. It POPS and is black as night. Hell yes... this will make me happy for the next decade easy.

Sorry to hear you're having such a miserable time with your set. smile.gif

Enjoy!
post #7096 of 11459
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

Someone has done this, in case you missed. Are you claiming Dave is hallucinating?
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Originally Posted by DavidHir

Received my 64F8500 yesterday. Very good uniformity, no buzzing, and no dead pixels.

One major issue though: floating blacks despite the most recent firmware. There are a number of scenes where the brightness spills into the black bars on various content which does not occur on my ST30. It looks like a momentary fluctuation. I do almost entirely dark room viewing so this will not be seen with lights on. Have been watching a lot of Star Trek Original Series on Blu lately and comparing the same scenes shows the ST30 holding its blacks much better even if they are not as dark as the F8500 most of the time. However, it's distracting to watch because the same scene almost changes.. I've got all of the enhancement stuff turned off but am using dark optimizer for dark room, movie mode, contrast at 90, gamma -1, cell light at 13 to 14 at times, brightness at 47 or 49 - slips my memory. On any rate, this is a major issue for me.
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ken, I think Dave stated he sees light spillage into the black bar area when watching movies. he's calling this FB'S which really isn't the proper analogy. I stated early that I see spillage into the black bar area as well with bright contrast scenes. he pointed out that his previous set didn't do this, and was asking if others see this as well. I think your correct about fb's In general around brighter objects, I have not witnessed it. just the light spillage is all.

I agree!! I've only read about Dave witnessing light spillage....not the floating blacks anomaly. Light spillage outside the bounds of the picture has nothing to do with the black optimizer setting.
Edited by DanF8500 - 5/23/13 at 5:45pm
post #7097 of 11459
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

You must have misunderstood my question. I apologize.

I understand MLL with black optimizer enabled is very close to VT/ZT60.

Keep in mind, I'm coming from a four year old Kuro, and these current gen plasmas are still not hitting that MLL- but I am aware we're at the point now where the difference is negligible in perception, and other factors matter.

I'm ok with this. I'm no Panasonic fanboy, and I want the F8500 to be "the" set.

However, I'm hearing that with black optimizer enabled, floating blacks is a not-negligible, actually perceptible problem some are seeing. So you turn the optimizer off to fix this issue.

Now you have black levels from Panasonic's 3-year old models. Yes, I would call that poor for a 2013 set for this kind of money. Anyone would.

So the question is, if you receive a set with floating blacks in "black-optimized" mode, you now have the choice of poor blacks or floating blacks, no?

You seem to be arguing that the blacks are pretty great, but ignore the fact that they are only great with black optimizer on.

It is also a fact that some people have noticed floating blacks with black optimizer on. I'm not claiming every set does this.

I'm not claiming the F8500's blacks are "poor" with black optimizer on.

I hope everything is clearly understood now.

Uhm.. just want to say, my black optimizer is off on my post calibration and it is what I was raving about above having near bezel blacks. Honestly not sure the setting even does anything anyhow... it certainly doesn't kill your black levels and making some weird statement about having a panny's black level from 3 years ago doesn't actually say much (other than being a clever way of making something sound much worse than it may actually mean), ie hyperbole... which pretty much tells me what you're really trying to accomplish in your post.
post #7098 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

So I'm the reason you're still here Vinnie? BS in spades.
Well, since you have appointed yourself judge, jury, and executioner, sure, why not.
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I'm not engaging in any personal swipes. If you think my correcting misinformation from the usual suspects is a personal swipe, you are wrong. And think what you like, but your cherry picking is very obvious.
You've done quite a bit of broadbrushing and stereotyping today.
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It's also interesting that the positive virtues of the 8500 in the shootout can now be characterized as 'one television'. So perhaps the black levels of the VT/ZT may not be reproducible in most/all ZT'S/VTs. After all that was just 'one television'. This is getting really weird. It's taken on the look of almost 'desperation' in some posts. Bizarre.
Well, yes, Cnet's black level calculation on the ZT60 is only 0.002 (which exactly matches their measurement for the 8500), so that's not altogether impossible. Still, small variations in the measurement of black level from one set to the next are not the same as light spillover into black areas creating the phenomenon that David is experiencing.
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Try as you may Vinnie, you won't drive me out of the 8500 thread. I gave up on the shootout thread since there were only so many lies I could take over there. It had become an utterly useless thread. Here we still have owners helping owners and here there are many others that can and do call out the fallacious remarks of some.
I don't care if you stay here, though the stereotyping is definitely wearing thin on my nerves, and I wouldn't mind seeing that come to an end. That shootout debate thread isn't as pitiful as you think. Still plenty of healthy debate and discussions in play with little in the way of fallout.
post #7099 of 11459
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

These posts were all dismissive:

No they weren't because I wasn't talking about floating blacks. Are you kidding me? Those posts were addressing people that called the black levels lousy.

Oh, and I guess you forgot to answer the question that's been asked of you by two different posters, are you an owner or are you shopping for the 8500?
post #7100 of 11459
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

ken, I think Dave stated he sees light spillage into the black bar area when watching movies. he's calling this FB'S which really isn't the proper analogy. I stated early that I see spillage into the black bar area as well with bright contrast scenes. he pointed out that his previous set didn't do this, and was asking if others see this as well. I think your correct about fb's In general around brighter objects, I have not witnessed it. just the light spillage is all.

So its not FBs. Air, how often is this 'spillage' seen and what's its magnitude? Are there specific titles that you can give me to try and see this? Any other owners notice this? Almost sounds like an edge lit phenomena.
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shpankey - congrats!

If you have the numbers and your calibrator allows you to post them please do in the calibration thread.
It's always interesting to see the techniques used.
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

Uhm.. just want to say, my black optimizer is off on my post calibration and it is what I was raving about above having near bezel blacks. Honestly not sure the setting even does anything anyhow... it certainly doesn't kill your black levels and making some weird statement about having a panny's black level from 3 years ago doesn't actually say much (other than being a clever way of making something sound much worse than it may actually mean), ie hyperbole... which pretty much tells me what you're really trying to accomplish in your post.

yeah, but the bezel is gun metal gray any display currently can match that black level.biggrin.gif

so like I said earlier just admit the black levels are lousy on this set, or no better than say post st30 era.wink.gif
post #7103 of 11459
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

Uhm.. just want to say, my black optimizer is off on my post calibration and it is what I was raving about above having near bezel blacks. Honestly not sure the setting even does anything anyhow... it certainly doesn't kill your black levels and making some weird statement about having a panny's black level from 3 years ago doesn't actually say much (other than being a clever way of making something sound much worse than it may actually mean), ie hyperbole... which pretty much tells me what you're really trying to accomplish in your post.
You do realize he wasn't the one to make that black level comparison claim, correct? He was just repeating another owner who is genuinely trying to diagnose the problem.

Also, since the question is being belabored, my suspicion is nfraso is not an owner. I am sure this naturally calls into question his credibility as to his agenda in the mind of owners here, and I don't blame them (just joined, firing on all cylinders, etc.).
post #7104 of 11459
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

I agree!! I've only read about Dave witnessing light spillage....not the floating blacks anomaly. Light spillage outside the bounds of the picture has nothing to do with the black optimizer setting.

Dan, have you personally witnessed this? Trying to get an idea of its prevalence. If Dave and Air are talking about the same thing, that's 2 data points.
Edited by Ken Ross - 5/23/13 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

So its not FBs. Air, how often is this 'spillage' seen and what's its magnitude? Are there specific titles that you can give me to try and see this? Any other owners notice this? Almost sounds like an edge lit phenomena.

high contrast scenes will show some leakage. it's not a huge deal to me since I watch in some ambient light. I do understand though if Dave is watching in a batcave how that could be more of a nuisance. i'm just glad that the black levels suck on this display. think how annoying, and obvious it would look if the black bars were truly a deep black level like say the zt/vt panels.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

I absolutely loved the picture before, but my calibrator came yesterday (Doug Weil) and did his thing (droptheremote at AVS)
Thanks for your impressions of your professional calibration. wink.gif

I've included a link to your report in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.
post #7107 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I agree!! I've only read about Dave witnessing light spillage....not the floating blacks anomaly. Light spillage outside the bounds of the picture has nothing to do with the black optimizer setting.
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Dan, have you personally witnessed this? Trying to get an idea of its prevalence. If Dave and Air are talking about the same thing, that's 2 data points.
Hello Ken. No, I have not witnessed any light spillage outside the bounds of the picture. It's either not happening on my tv or I'm not sensitive to that phenomenon. I've heard the slight buzzing if I place my ear on the back of the tv's bezel, I was able to see the 2D brightness pops, I'm able to see a very faint pinkish, horizontal band running across the bottom of my tv, but this "light spillage" or bleed thing is something new....
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Originally Posted by WantsNWarrants View Post


According to my local Magnolia, delivery and setup entails an additional $200 fee, but https://myrewardzone.bestbuy.com/silver/benefits says all that is requred for Premier Silver ("PS") membership is that one spend $2500 in a calendar year. It also says PS includes free delivery (and several other things).

So wny is Magnolia asking for a fee to deliver?

The salesman at Magnolia says that "Anybody selling the television for less than $3399.98 is NOT an authorized dealer and you would not have a manufacturer's warranty".

Is that true?

Mine is being delivered from MHT tomorrow and delivery and take away the old set if you want was free. I just have them set the box in the garage because I like to do the setup myself but like Dan said they will set it up and make sure it works in your home if you want. Also, with the silver rewards you get a 60 day return/exchange which for me is worth the extra cost of buying locally. From what I understand Samsung dictates they sell at a fixed price. They were willing to work with me on the pricing for the Panasonic's but said their hands were tied on the Samsung's. You do get a free Sound Bar, Wireless Audio System or 29" LED TV with the purchase of an F8500 during the current promotion.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Well, since you have appointed yourself judge, jury, and executioner, sure, why not.

Not even sure what this means, but it's surely not worth pursuing.
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You've done quite a bit of broadbrushing and stereotyping today.

No, actually just quite a bit of corrections regarding embellishments, distortions and inaccuracies. I know you'd love for me and others to let you guys do the 'hit & run' game and leave your inaccuracies unanswered. When these go unanswered, they take on the appearance of fact. Of course that's what some who come to this thread hope for. Ain't happening. I and others will continue to address the distortions.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Well, yes, Cnet's black level calculation on the ZT60 is only 0.002 (which exactly matches their measurement for the 8500), so that's not altogether impossible. Still, small variations in the measurement of black level from one set to the next are not the same as light spillover into black areas creating the phenomenon that David is experiencing.
I don't care if you stay here, though the stereotyping is definitely wearing thin on my nerves, and I wouldn't mind seeing that come to an end. That shootout debate thread isn't as pitiful as you think. Still plenty of healthy debate and discussions in play with little in the way of fallout.

Well then Vinnie, it's pretty obvious the ZT/VT has the same issues as the 8500, they just haven't been discovered yet. See, I can get every bit as bizarre with my posts as you. It's actually pretty easy.

I also had to smile when you changed your characterization of FBs to 'light spillage' as the result of Air more accurately stating what he saw. So if the next 'ailment' that someone points out is the 8500 suffers from 'sprained ankles', I'm sure we can read that repeated ad nauseum by you and your buddies.

As for the shootout thread, I'm done with that. One of the more repulsive threads I've seen on AVS in some time. I've made my decision on a panel and, unlike you, have no interest in threads discussing panels I'm not considering.

Enjoy your precious when you get it. Perhaps then and only then you'll have something better to do than spend your time here taking shots at the 8500.
Edited by Ken Ross - 5/23/13 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by WantsNWarrants View Post

If this is the wrong forum in which to ask, please direct me to something suitable.

2 questions:

According to my local Magnolia, delivery and setup entails an additional $200 fee, but https://myrewardzone.bestbuy.com/silver/benefits says all that is requred for Premier Silver ("PS") membership is that one spend $2500 in a calendar year. It also says PS includes free delivery (and several other things).

So wny is Magnolia asking for a fee to deliver?

The salesman at Magnolia says that "Anybody selling the television for less than $3399.98 is NOT an authorized dealer and you would not have a manufacturer's warranty".

Is that true?
I think the information your local Magnolia gave you is misleading. PM Speakerphile here at AVS. I think he can help you get it right.
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