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post #8101 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Warren, I'm at BB frequently for one reason or another and when I'm there, I never pass up the opportunity to drop into MHT. My wife says it's an 'obsession' and I wouldn't argue the case. wink.gif

At any rate, judging from the two I've seen and from what Airgas said above (some ZT owners reporting the same vertical line), I'm not so sure it's a bad shipment as opposed to issues revolving around the bonded glass screen that caused so many production problems for Panasonic. I know some conjectured what would happen to production models considering the issues Panasonic was having with the bonding process. So this may or may not be a manifestation of that.

I knew I wouldn't find the PQ to be better to my eyes than the 8500 one way or the other. I say that because I've seen the VT countless times in close proximity to the 8500, the ZT at the shootout and the Panasonic show and now twice on the same wall with the 8500. I never felt it was 'close' since I think the 8500 is a better overall performer.

But trust me, if for some reason I really did think the ZT was better, I'd find a way to get the ZT and either exchange or sell my 8500. Anyone that knows me at AVS over the years, knows this to be true. biggrin.gif

i completely understand and I do the same ......as well evaluate the cost/benefit ratio of products they have

I dont really look at MHT audio..unless I am looking for a secondary room...as I have separates and have for many years. They dont really do separates unless you are in one of their design centers such as the ones in Chicago or Dallas

...does anyone wonder why they dont carry better audio products in their stores...considering the video they have..??...I see the Sharp elite Led and wonder what audio product they might have that a buyer of that Tv would even consider

On another note

I am sure what you saw on the ZT was the exception rather than the norm...all of the TV manufacturers will have their issues ....especially at the start of the product cycle


Warren


Warren
post #8102 of 11556
hey guys,how can I access the service menu to see how many hours is on the set?
post #8103 of 11556
Samsung does not reveal the hours used in the normal service menu. You can get the logic board age which is the same thing, by turning the TV on and clicking mute-7-3-7-enter. MRT is the logic board usage hours, or at least that works on D and E series.
post #8104 of 11556
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

hey guys,how can I access the service menu to see how many hours is on the set?
The best thing you can do is not to access the service menu. JMO!
post #8105 of 11556
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Samsung does not reveal the hours used in the normal service menu. You can get the logic board age which is the same thing, by turning the TV on and clicking mute-7-3-7-enter. MRT is the logic board usage hours, or at least that works on D and E series.

But how do you do this since the new F8500 only come with the new touch screen remote?
post #8106 of 11556
I really want to buy this set. But I'm a 50% gamer. And the lag times just kill this one for me. mad.gif
post #8107 of 11556
Has anyone had a samsung tech come out to look at buzzing on this set? it's all wall mounted already and I don't really want to go through the hassle of a return/exchange and loving the picture quality. Most the buzzing noticeable on quieter content at night when volume is lower. It's actually highest when the screen is darker rather than brighter. Loudest for example is on the roku screen saver where the screen is black with a white roku logo bouncing around or when there is no video source so the screen is just dark but still on. It is audible mostly in the sweet spot directly in front the screen regardless of how far back i sit. The buzz emanates from the glass around the lower half in the center. The corners have some buzz as well but if I squeeze the corners, it sometimes gets quieter.
post #8108 of 11556
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Originally Posted by JW1212 View Post

Has anyone had a samsung tech come out to look at buzzing on this set? it's all wall mounted already and I don't really want to go through the hassle of a return/exchange and loving the picture quality. Most the buzzing noticeable on quieter content at night when volume is lower. It's actually highest when the screen is darker rather than brighter. Loudest for example is on the roku screen saver where the screen is black with a white roku logo bouncing around or when there is no video source so the screen is just dark but still on. It is audible mostly in the sweet spot directly in front the screen regardless of how far back i sit. The buzz emanates from the glass around the lower half in the center. The corners have some buzz as well but if I squeeze the corners, it sometimes gets quieter.

I have some experience with this buzzing your describing here, most noticeably on the Panasonic VT-30 plasma during full screen content fading to black. I first noticed it when running the break-in slides, it would buzz very noticeably when going to a dark gray or black screen. I also noticed it on full white screens as well although it wasn't as noticeable. Ultimately it was so annoying during normal viewing I ending up returning the set, additionally it did suffer from some horizontal and vertical banding issues as well. Hope this information helps you some. cool.gif
post #8109 of 11556
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Originally Posted by JW1212 View Post

Has anyone had a samsung tech come out to look at buzzing on this set?/quote]

Had mine (64") for just two days. No apparent noise, even up close. Hope it stays that way. Right now I am very happy with the set.
post #8110 of 11556
My wife wanted to upgrade her Kindle to a Kindle Fire. She asked me which one she should buy. I remembered at the shoot-out that a Samsung rep mentioned that the Samsung tablets had an app to control the F8500s, so I started researching them. She wanted something small that would fit in her purse so I recommended to her the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (7-Inch, Wi-Fi). She wanted a keyboard for home use and the Galaxy supports one but the Samsung VG-KBD2000 Wireless Keyboard supports both the tablet and F8500 and has a full TV remote to the right of the keyboard.

When it arrived she had problems with the touch screen because she has very dry skin. Bought her a QVS Q-Stick Capacitive Fabric-Tip Touch Stylus & Mini-Stylus Combo Blue at local Micro Center in the Apple department. Costs more than the cheapest but she loves it. I am in the process of loading apps and so far no problems. Both tablet and keyboard work with my PN60F8500. Only problem is getting it away from her so I can use it.
post #8111 of 11556
I posted about this previously but I’m wondering now if there may be something wrong with my set. I see so much block noise and artifacts when content is displaying fast motion and sometimes just in general. For example with reality shows when the camera cuts and pans, there is always temporary block noise. Watching any sports coming out of replay into live play is always blocky for a second or 2. The station logo flyover that usually precedes or comes right after a replay is always blocky. For example watching hockey on nbc last night the peacock logo fly-in , fly-out would always be blocky. I know it’s possible it could be the source (FIOS), but it’s the same as the one used on my previous set which while smaller, I never saw to this extent at all. I’ve only seen a couple of posts here of people seeing this but really no complaints. None of the reviews mention this at all (only input lag for gaming). I’ve tried all combination of settings on and off but same result. I even had the E series for a brief period of time last year and did not see this issue (same source). Maybe the E series VP handled this function better than the F? Been back to the store a couple of times and the in-store sets seem better in this regard but it’s so hard to tell. Anyone experiencing something similar?
post #8112 of 11556
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

I posted about this previously but I’m wondering now if there may be something wrong with my set. I see so much block noise and artifacts when content is displaying fast motion and sometimes just in general. For example with reality shows when the camera cuts and pans, there is always temporary block noise. Watching any sports coming out of replay into live play is always blocky for a second or 2. The station logo flyover that usually precedes or comes right after a replay is always blocky. For example watching hockey on nbc last night the peacock logo fly-in , fly-out would always be blocky. I know it’s possible it could be the source (FIOS), but it’s the same as the one used on my previous set which while smaller, I never saw to this extent at all. I’ve only seen a couple of posts here of people seeing this but really no complaints. None of the reviews mention this at all (only input lag for gaming). I’ve tried all combination of settings on and off but same result. I even had the E series for a brief period of time last year and did not see this issue (same source). Maybe the E series VP handled this function better than the F? Been back to the store a couple of times and the in-store sets seem better in this regard but it’s so hard to tell. Anyone experiencing something similar?

Unfortunately very few reviews ever put these new TVs through the paces using cable source content but rather just run the de-interlace test patterns etc. instead. However the good news is you won't have to wait very long to find out if other people are experiencing the same issue as you are, cable source content viewing is very common and it should pop up soon if there is a widespread issue going on. cool.gif

PS: Meanwhile if the issue is really bothering you I'd recommend an exchange to rule out a defect in the set. As a reminder I like to point out that no displays will ever be perfect and there will always be issues for you to contend with or judge big or small, so you will always need to pick your poison keep that in mind. My best suggestion is to do as much normal viewing content as you can within your return window and find out exactly how much this issue really bothers you, as this will be key in your decision process. If indeed this issue is wide spread you can expect to hear more about it very soon from others. Good luck with your choice and keep us posted, I'm sure others considering this set will want to know everything.
post #8113 of 11556
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Originally Posted by echoesian View Post

I'm kind of decided on this model... I'm wondering how do you guys place the center speaker so that the beautiful stand can be seen but the center speaker must not block the picture....

I got a 51" and we use this stand:
http://www.sears.com/monarch-specialties-dark-walnut-veneer-60inchl-corner-tv/p-00818935000P?autoRedirect=true&sLevel=0&redirectType=SKIP_LEVEL
We plan to get a soundbar very soon, maybe Sonos Playbar.
post #8114 of 11556
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

I posted about this previously but I’m wondering now if there may be something wrong with my set. I see so much block noise and artifacts when content is displaying fast motion and sometimes just in general. For example with reality shows when the camera cuts and pans, there is always temporary block noise. Watching any sports coming out of replay into live play is always blocky for a second or 2. The station logo flyover that usually precedes or comes right after a replay is always blocky. For example watching hockey on nbc last night the peacock logo fly-in , fly-out would always be blocky. I know it’s possible it could be the source (FIOS), but it’s the same as the one used on my previous set which while smaller, I never saw to this extent at all. I’ve only seen a couple of posts here of people seeing this but really no complaints. None of the reviews mention this at all (only input lag for gaming). I’ve tried all combination of settings on and off but same result. I even had the E series for a brief period of time last year and did not see this issue (same source). Maybe the E series VP handled this function better than the F? Been back to the store a couple of times and the in-store sets seem better in this regard but it’s so hard to tell. Anyone experiencing something similar?
It is definitely FIOS that is causing the issue. I have the same service and experience macro blocking which is more prevalent on the network channels especially NBC. If you want to be sure that it is the source test a bluray movie. I think you will find that the bluray source doesn't exhibit any of the issues you mentioned. FIOS is still using MPEG 2 for most channels and I often think this is part of what causes the macro blocking. They are slowing converting the channels to MPEG 4 which should improve the picture quality.
post #8115 of 11556
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

I posted about this previously but I’m wondering now if there may be something wrong with my set. I see so much block noise and artifacts when content is displaying fast motion and sometimes just in general. For example with reality shows when the camera cuts and pans, there is always temporary block noise. Watching any sports coming out of replay into live play is always blocky for a second or 2. The station logo flyover that usually precedes or comes right after a replay is always blocky. For example watching hockey on nbc last night the peacock logo fly-in , fly-out would always be blocky. I know it’s possible it could be the source (FIOS), but it’s the same as the one used on my previous set which while smaller, I never saw to this extent at all. I’ve only seen a couple of posts here of people seeing this but really no complaints. None of the reviews mention this at all (only input lag for gaming). I’ve tried all combination of settings on and off but same result. I even had the E series for a brief period of time last year and did not see this issue (same source). Maybe the E series VP handled this function better than the F? Been back to the store a couple of times and the in-store sets seem better in this regard but it’s so hard to tell. Anyone experiencing something similar?

Bet it's your source. Usually a display won't introduce this kind of artifact, but a bit-starved source will. I've never seen anything like that on mine.

Surprisingly I see almost no macro blocking on Directv whereas I used to see some on FIOS.
post #8116 of 11556
Quick (albeit somewhat annoying) question here: will the TVs HDMI input pass through dolby/DTS out of the TV's optical out? If so, input switching on the TV would also switch the audio on my receiver. I'd like this option over running several HDMI inputs to my receiver and then an HDMI out from receiver to the TV.
post #8117 of 11556
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Originally Posted by minus_3 View Post

Quick (albeit somewhat annoying) question here: will the TVs HDMI input pass through dolby/DTS out of the TV's optical out? If so, input switching on the TV would also switch the audio on my receiver. I'd like this option over running several HDMI inputs to my receiver and then an HDMI out from receiver to the TV.
It won't pass Dolby 5.1. Only 2 channel audio from the hdmi. Check out the following link.... No 5.1 Audio Output
post #8118 of 11556
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post

Only problem is getting it away from her so I can use it.
Well I am sure you expected this....... wink.gif
post #8119 of 11556
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post

Only problem is getting it away from her so I can use it.
Well I am sure you expected this....... wink.gif

LOL - Yes and since I do not carry a manbag, I see a 10" Samsung Galaxy tablet in my near future.
post #8120 of 11556
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Samsung does not reveal the hours used in the normal service menu. You can get the logic board age which is the same thing, by turning the TV on and clicking mute-7-3-7-enter. MRT is the logic board usage hours, or at least that works on D and E series.

Has anyone tried this with the new touch pad remote?
post #8121 of 11556
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Originally Posted by echoesian View Post

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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Samsung does not reveal the hours used in the normal service menu. You can get the logic board age which is the same thing, by turning the TV on and clicking mute-7-3-7-enter. MRT is the logic board usage hours, or at least that works on D and E series.

Has anyone tried this with the new touch pad remote?

Tried yes, got it to work no with the remote. Yes, got it to work with my Samsung VG-KBD2000 Wireless Keyboard.

I know how to enter numbers with the remote but the sequence does not cause the Menu to come up. I must be missing something in entering the sequence.
Edited by JRWalker - 6/14/13 at 8:57am
post #8122 of 11556
A question I would have besides the touch remote being able to dial into the service menu for time used is what about getting out of the service menue so I wouldn't accidentaly mess up anything in the service menu that could void any warranty?

FYI, I am a first-time Plasma owner and very happy with my purchase of the PN64F8500.
post #8123 of 11556
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Originally Posted by cornkc3 View Post

A question I would have besides the touch remote being able to dial into the service menu for time used is what about getting out of the service menue so I wouldn't accidentaly mess up anything in the service menu that could void any warranty?

Press the Return/Exit key to exit service menu. Only checked the MRT did not go beyond that.
post #8124 of 11556
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

I posted about this previously but I’m wondering now if there may be something wrong with my set. I see so much block noise and artifacts when content is displaying fast motion and sometimes just in general. For example with reality shows when the camera cuts and pans, there is always temporary block noise. Watching any sports coming out of replay into live play is always blocky for a second or 2. The station logo flyover that usually precedes or comes right after a replay is always blocky. For example watching hockey on nbc last night the peacock logo fly-in , fly-out would always be blocky. I know it’s possible it could be the source (FIOS), but it’s the same as the one used on my previous set which while smaller, I never saw to this extent at all. I’ve only seen a couple of posts here of people seeing this but really no complaints. None of the reviews mention this at all (only input lag for gaming). I’ve tried all combination of settings on and off but same result. I even had the E series for a brief period of time last year and did not see this issue (same source). Maybe the E series VP handled this function better than the F? Been back to the store a couple of times and the in-store sets seem better in this regard but it’s so hard to tell. Anyone experiencing something similar?

Are you using a splitter? If so, maybe a better splitter would help. Otherwise, maybe try a signal amp on your cable.
post #8125 of 11556
Awaiting shipment of my new 65' Sammy 8500 today.1st time owner of a plasma
My tv,right now,is the Sammy 55' un8000 slim led that came out 3 years ago and a previous owner of a 52' sharp LCD and samsung DLP.
Always wanted a plasma,but was weary about buzzing issues and lack of brightness in pictures.Decided to jump in ths time because of the reviews on this set and time for a bigger set.Thanx for all the cal settings!
post #8126 of 11556
You will no be disapointed expept fot the 1 inch missing since is a 64 instead of 65.you will love it
post #8127 of 11556
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Originally Posted by echoesian View Post

Has anyone tried this with the new touch pad remote?

Smart remote, standard plastic remote, harmony one, none work for me
post #8128 of 11556
I am now proud owner of the 64" Samsung F8500 delivered two hours ago by VE. My plasma was broken in, q/c and ISF pro calibrated by Kevin Miller.

So far, no buzzing (my altitude is about 300 feet above sea level), no banding, no bad pixels -- although I hear a very high pitched sound. It's a marvelous picture. I'll provide more feedback as I begin watching more OTA, DirecTV and Blu-ray movies. Right now, I'm in HDTV heaven.

I sold my 8G Pioneer Elite Pro-150 about three weeks ago, and have been patiently waiting for the delivery of my third PDP since 2004.
post #8129 of 11556
^ If Kevin lets you, please post the calibration values in the settings thread smile.gif
post #8130 of 11556
VE will be emailing me the calibration report. I'll ask if I can post the settings.
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