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post #8221 of 11456
I know this is probably not the right thread to ask this in, but since fan noise in the Panasonic VT series has been brought up numerous times in this thread.........why does the VT series require a fan and the 8500 doesn't? Logic would conclude that the tv with the higher ftL output would get hotter, but between the F8500 and VT series, this doesn't seem to be true. ???
post #8222 of 11456
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

I know this is probably not the right thread to ask this in, but since fan noise in the Panasonic VT series has been brought up numerous times in this thread.........why does the VT series require a fan and the 8500 doesn't? Logic would conclude that the tv with the higher ftL output would get hotter, but between the F8500 and VT series, this doesn't seem to be true. ???

I think its simply a manufacture decision. I know Samsung pdp's never had fans, and the Panasonics had them as far back as the S1/v10 maybe even longer.
post #8223 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

What % of f8500 has the buzzing problem.
I have a Panasonic ZT60 with fan noise,
So I am trying to figure out if exchanging
The ZT60 for a F8500 is something I should
Consider. Love the picture quality of ZT60,
Just like it to be quieter.
How many have a quiet F8500?

I have virtually no discernible noise with my 64". If I turn everything off in the room, amp etc., close the door to the room and listen, then I can hear a slight buzz. With any kind of ambient noise, including that which is coming from the programming, I hear no buzz at all.

Whether you keep the ZT or exchange it for the 8500, you'll be a winner either way. smile.gif
post #8224 of 11456
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

I know this is probably not the right thread to ask this in, but since fan noise in the Panasonic VT series has been brought up numerous times in this thread.........why does the VT series require a fan and the 8500 doesn't? Logic would conclude that the tv with the higher ftL output would get hotter, but between the F8500 and VT series, this doesn't seem to be true. ???

Possibly a more efficient internal design where natural convection carries away enough heat so that fans aren't necessary? Just a guess.
post #8225 of 11456
I just hooked up my new 8500 -it is a 51" - looks great I burned it in and just started watching set today. Now then just had the screen go pink on me HDMI input 1 - so I hooked up an external cable from my receiver to see if it would do it with another HDMI cable, it did it again(HDMI cable problem is not the issue). If I go from one input on my receiver back to the STB input the problem goes away then comes back. Now I just switched to HDMI input 2 on the Samsung to see if it does it on input 2 if it does then I will go directly from my Fios STB box to TV to see if it the Receiver.

I have a Pioneer Pro FHD1 Elite - and just switched today so the only thing we changed was the set and the cables.
post #8226 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Possibly a more efficient internal design where natural convection carries away enough heat so that fans aren't necessary? Just a guess.

The irony is, the whole back panel is made of a large metal sheet in ZT/VT60. I used a magnet to confirm on my ZT. With all that metal, one may think they could've used it as a big multi-function heat sink instead of troubling fans.
post #8227 of 11456
About the buzzing ...

I'm on my second 60" F8500 and it does buzz although less than the first set. The first set buzzed loud enough to be heard over shows and movies with just dialogue, and it sounded like it was a high and low pitched buzz in combination. The new sets buzz is quiter and only high pitched which is an improvement.

I've also seen 3 other F8500s in person in peoples homes and they all buzzed. So that's five sets that I've seen and all five buzz. I'm at sea level in LA fwiw.

On another note, the main reason I exchanged my first 8500 for a new one was that the small black border around the pixels was not uniform - the top border was twice as thick as the bottom border.

Unfortunately the new set is worse as its top border AND the left border are twice as thick as the bottom and right borders.

Anyone else see anything like this? I've tested with Blu-rays in both screen fit and 16x9 modes to make sure it wasn't an overscan issue. And is this something a Samsung tech could fix? I'd much rather go that route than play the lottery again by swapping sets another time.
post #8228 of 11456
1103 eu version installed. No brightness pops, definitely better picture quality, but still the camera message info in the beginning
post #8229 of 11456
We have three plasma TVs a 42", 50" and 64". The 42" and 50" are Panasonic and both exhibit the normal plasma buzz and the buzz is more prominent from the sides and back of the TV. The 64" is the F8500 and the buzz is more prominent in front of the TV than the side or back. The F8500's plasma buzz has gone done dramatically since we first got the unit.
post #8230 of 11456
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

works for me...when I'm watching a movie, no doubt that I want to be in the sweet spot.(buzz zone)
If one loves the product, think of ways of "hiding" the issue before you decide on any other product.......
post #8231 of 11456
I really want to get the 51 inch, but the input lag worries me. When I get a PS4 and pop in Battlefield 4, will it be playable or not? I really want to step up to a plasma because of the PQ, but if I can't play games on it then that kind of ruins it.

edit:

Seems like the PC input naming trick cuts the lag down quite a bit. But if I run everything through a AVR, then everything will be seen through PC mode. What does PC mode sacrifice to achieve this lower lag?
Edited by blklightning - 6/23/13 at 1:30pm
post #8232 of 11456
Lag muc like buzzing is an individual perception and will be different for most everyone. The only way to really test is to see if one of your local stores will allow you to bring in your system and test things out.
post #8233 of 11456
I'm cross posting this from the owners thread, and if you're in the Los Angeles area, check my post in the "found deals" thread.

Any help/pointers would be appreciated! I only have another 9 days before it's gotta go back (if I want to return it) so I want to make sure I've made the right decision!

Thanks!

A few more questions, most of which may have been answered already:

1). Any tips for "break in", etc? (Either pre-calibration, or to avoid burn-in/IR)
2). What's the trick for the best gaming mode? Rename a certain input? And what are the best tweaks for video settings for gaming?
3). People have generic calibration settings for a [very] bright room?
4). Any gotchas I should be looking out for? Best I can tell, it doesn't buzz loudly, but are there any other quality control issues I should be checking for before the return period ends?
5). Anyone have any better ideas for who to have mount the TV other than Geek Squad? I need to get as thin a mount as possible, because I'm really running up against my minimal viewing distance (the thing is almost TOO big for my apartment). Should I do it myself? If so, I'm thinking Monoprice for the mount. But Geek Squad will give me a basic mount and install it for $220, apparently, and if they warranty that, it might be worth it.
6). Is there any way to get 5.1 audio to my AVR from the built in SmartTV apps? Will the optical digital out carry that? Or are all the apps limited to 2.0 only?

Thank you SO much for your help. And for those of you lurking -- who don't yet own the TV -- check my "Found Deals" post in the 8500 thread for a SCREAMING pricematch at BB.
post #8234 of 11456
Read this entire thread today eek.gif I really appreciate all the info.

I'm seriously considering upgrading my B860. Seems it would be a worthy upgrade and improve both black/brightness performance.
post #8235 of 11456
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Originally Posted by chef jer View Post

Read this entire thread today eek.gif I really appreciate all the info.

I'm seriously considering upgrading my B860. Seems it would be a worthy upgrade and improve both black/brightness performance.


I also own a B860 plasma (now serving as my bedroom tv). I can tell you that the F8500 (and even the Panny VT/ZT) plasmas will be a substantial upgrade.
post #8236 of 11456
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Originally Posted by defjamz View Post

I also own a B860 plasma (now serving as my bedroom tv). I can tell you that the F8500 (and even the Panny VT/ZT) plasmas will be a substantial upgrade.

I've got a 46" sammy lcd in the bedroom (can't remember the model). My 58B860 seems like a little bit of over kill for that room... I'll likely give it to a friend. I don't have anything against pannys but I'm really intrigued by the bright room performance of the 8500. We get 300 days of sunshine in CO and there have been many a summer afternoon that I missed the bright room performance of lcd's.
post #8237 of 11456
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Originally Posted by jeremola View Post

I'm cross posting this from the owners thread, and if you're in the Los Angeles area, check my post in the "found deals" thread.

Any help/pointers would be appreciated!

6). Is there any way to get 5.1 audio to my AVR from the built in SmartTV apps? Will the optical digital out carry that? Or are all the apps limited to 2.0 only?

Thank you SO much for your help.
Here's your answer for #6 above... http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=418239&modelname=PN51F8500AF&modelcode=PN51F8500AFXZA&session_id=&from_osc=&__ncforminfo=LW6Szg3aYssFkaGPJvklgveAtJU2UQEBLp766QZ0YDnxGYnZ6aTW9CudEhEMC697a3nFBkoyvtPiQMGfjZzfUFo8AncG-dacEEk5-fJ57OzZlFy4IXigjdzbfTo9UrwY
post #8238 of 11456
Ive got three days left on my return window at BB and am still considering buying from East Coast TV to save 400.00.What should i do?
post #8239 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Lagwagon View Post

Ive got three days left on my return window at BB and am still considering buying from East Coast TV to save 400.00.What should i do?
BB wont match? For $400 I would return it.
post #8240 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

BB wont match? For $400 I would return it.

Agreed! Be careful with BB price match too. It has to be from a select list of major on-line retailers, like amazon, etc..
post #8241 of 11456
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Originally Posted by chef jer View Post

I've got a 46" sammy lcd in the bedroom (can't remember the model). My 58B860 seems like a little bit of over kill for that room... I'll likely give it to a friend. I don't have anything against pannys but I'm really intrigued by the bright room performance of the 8500. We get 300 days of sunshine in CO and there have been many a summer afternoon that I missed the bright room performance of lcd's.

I upgraded my 58B860 plasma with a 64D8000 last year, and it was a substantial improvement. Upgrading to the F8500 will be even that much greater, especially for bright room performance. I'm sure you'll love it.
I thought the 58B860 might be much for our bedroom too, but I find it to be perfect since our eyes are about 11' from the screen when we're lying in bed.
post #8242 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

BB wont match? For $400 I would return it.

Agree that's tempting. One thing to consider, I recently bought a E7000 from BB. It had a screen uniformity problem that showed up in certain types of light colored scenes. The BB Magnolia manager did everything to try and get it resolved. Even though I didn't buy Geek Squad service he dispatched them 3 times to replace panels and boards to try and fix it. The problem persisted. Since the E7000 was at its end of life BB had no more in stock in the country. So, he made me a very good deal on a replacement F8500. I didn't miss a day of TV watching. All the service, delivery, setup, returns, etc. were handled by their people. I couldn't be happier with how I was treated, the deal I got, and the end result. I realize this is unusual, and always in the past I've bought electronics based on price on the internet. But I'm just pointing out that if I'd had this problem with Amazon, or East Coast TV, it would have been much more difficult to manage, and ended up a lot more expensive.
post #8243 of 11456
Well i ordered from East Coast and within the hour got the phone call about my order.The coupon code i used is for check orders only.30 bucks .Then i get the white glove pitch.Then the insurance upcharge.F this I canceled the order.Not worth it.
post #8244 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Lagwagon View Post

Ive got three days left on my return window at BB and am still considering buying from East Coast TV to save 400.00.What should i do?
put on your salesman hat and just negotiate negotiate negotiate! im sure you could get them to give you something back... even if not the whole amount. or a BB store credit... Anything is better than nothing. i also agree 400 most def not worth the hassle. but i would lessen that gap and get BB to give some of that 400....
post #8245 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Lagwagon View Post

Well i ordered from East Coast and within the hour got the phone call about my order.The coupon code i used is for check orders only.30 bucks .Then i get the white glove pitch.Then the insurance upcharge.F this I canceled the order.Not worth it.

How did you not know any of this going into it? It's all been covered repeatedly.

If the value proposition was worth it for you enough to place the order, a 5-minute phone call saying no a few times wouldn't have changed that. rolleyes.gif
post #8246 of 11456
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

How did you not know any of this going into it? It's all been covered repeatedly.

If the value proposition was worth it for you enough to place the order, a 5-minute phone call saying no a few times wouldn't have changed that. rolleyes.gif
I did.Just had to satisfy my curiosity.In all the years Ive ordered stuff online this was the first time where a company tried to add charges after checkout.Just didnt instill alot of confidence in them.
post #8247 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Lagwagon View Post

Well i ordered from East Coast and within the hour got the phone call about my order.The coupon code i used is for check orders only.30 bucks .Then i get the white glove pitch.Then the insurance upcharge.F this I canceled the order.Not worth it.

I guess you should of read the "east coast tv buying experience thread".
post #8248 of 11456
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Originally Posted by Lagwagon View Post

Well i ordered from East Coast and within the hour got the phone call about my order.The coupon code i used is for check orders only.30 bucks .Then i get the white glove pitch.Then the insurance upcharge.F this I canceled the order.Not worth it.

Give Chris at Cleveland Plasma a call. We got ours through him, great price, quick shipping and we got the free soundbar (available last month, looks like a free keyboard for the 64" this month).
post #8249 of 11456
Has anyone purchased Costco's Square Trade Service Plan for 3 years extra protection on their Samsung F8500? If not, what extended warranty provider did you purchase?

Thanks.
post #8250 of 11456
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Originally Posted by DaveC56 View Post

Has anyone purchased Costco's Square Trade Service Plan for 3 years extra protection on their Samsung F8500? If not, what extended warranty provider did you purchase?

Thanks.

I got the Geek Squad coverage from Best Buy which covers image retention. The fine print on Square Trade's website says they do not cover image retention. My brand new F8500 showed image retention for the letterbox bars. Went away in a few minutes, but with kids and a Wii, I thought I'd better get a protection plan that covers image retention, not to mention wear and tear and accidental damage. Sure the Geek Squad coverage is expensive, but so is my investment.
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