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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

sure they are Ken...as long as they include certain keywords/phrases such as "best mll," "only view in a batcave",'Panasonic is better","abl not an issue", brightness-blah,blah". well you get the point.

Aint that the truth. It's truly stunning how they don't tolerate an opposing viewpoint. As soon as you express that opposing viewpoint, you're labeled a 'liar', 'Sammy fanboy' etc. They just don't believe in reasonable discourse, it's their way or the highway. I won't be chased from those threads.

Air, I've always seen this kind of thing on AVS, but it's really reached unprecedented heights and it benefits nobody.
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When I see things like that on a thread I only Read and never Post. Just not my kind of people.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Aint that the truth. It's truly stunning how they don't tolerate an opposing viewpoint. As soon as you express that opposing viewpoint, you're labeled a 'liar', 'Sammy fanboy' etc. They just don't believe in reasonable discourse, it's their way or the highway. I won't be chased from those threads.

Air, I've always seen this kind of thing on AVS, but it's really reached unprecedented heights and it benefits nobody.
pot meet kettle lol
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Yup, that's one ridiculously one-sided way to observe the dialog happening there. The member I mentioned is most certainly a Sammy fanboy, however. His posting history is very revealing if you bother to look. He entered the thread complaining about Samsung hate, for Pete's sake, when all he was reading was differing opinions.
Edited by vinnie97 - 7/2/13 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

sure they are Ken...as long as they include certain keywords/phrases such as "best mll," "only view in a batcave",'Panasonic is better","abl not an issue", brightness-blah,blah". well you get the point.
I can't understand what's wrong with the first quote since it's just a specification. And to suggest the Panasonic panels only look decent in a batcave is untruthful, and to suggest that "Panasonic is better" is the only allowable brand praise allowed is to rewrite the history of that thread. Don't you think if ABL was an issue to the majority, that these costly Panasonic sets would simply collect dust in a warehouse as they remain unsold? This is pointless, but your little victimhood game with Ken is kinda' pathetic.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

pot meet kettle lol

And here they come ladies & gents. Unreal. rolleyes.gif

And Chunon, stop with your CRAP. Show me where I called anyone a liar...anyone! Your type of posts are what brings AVS into the gutter.
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I can't understand what's wrong with the first quote since it's just a specification. And to suggest the Panasonic panels only look decent in a batcave is untruthful, and to suggest that "Panasonic is better" is the only allowable brand praise allowed is to rewrite the history of that thread. Don't you think if ABL was an issue to the majority, that these costly Panasonic sets would simply collect dust in a warehouse as they remain unsold? This is pointless, but your little victimhood game with Ken is kinda' pathetic.
i haven't been reading this thread much lately but OMG
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Don't you think if ABL was an issue to the majority, that these costly Panasonic sets would simply collect dust in a warehouse as they remain unsold?

It's obviously not an issue to those that buy those panels. It is an issue to many who don't.
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

This is pointless, but your little victimhood game with Ken is kinda' pathetic.

The utter intolerance of your little clique is truly stunning. I was called a liar as well as other names for simply stating facts and opinions. Some of you folks are utterly incapable of having a discourse without attacking those with contrary opinions. To call people 'fanboys' in such a dismissive way so as to attempt to render their opinions 'unfit', is an absurd way to carry on a conversation.

It's despicable what some do to bring a great forum like AVS into the gutter. mad.gif
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No, it's when you're called to the carpet on your opinions that you constantly divulge, which causes you to become irate. Only the problems that YOU recognize deserve any kind of publicity and to hell with the evidence of the others as long as you and your "clique" can't see them, even when there are testimonial accounts by those who have seen them. Also, just because I agree with or thumb-up someone, doesn't mean I'm in their clique, much to your conspiratorial disappointment.

Finally and once again, I have a storied history with discopaul whom I called a Sammy boy, and that is a well earned title. He jumped into that thread trying to capitalize on some nonsense about Sammy hate, which was nothing more than his false perception regarding forum folk not automatically agreeing with the great Ken Ross. It takes (at least) two to toil in the gutter, so spare me your righteous indignation of being above it all.
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My 'constantly divulged' opinions are in response to other's 'constantly divulged opinions'. I don't dismiss them with Mr. Vinnies favorite 'fanboy' response. And Mr. Vinnie where did I say "only the problems I recognize deserve any kind of publicity"? You sound more and more like Chunon who has a PHd in 'making stuff up'.

I find it fascinating that we have Panasonic owners that wait like vultures to pounce in 8500 threads, yet we don't see similar behavior from Samsung owners in Panasonic threads. I wonder why? Perhaps a better behaved crowd with more respect for others?

And what's with your frequent use of 'the great Ken Ross'. What exactly is your issue?

There most certainly is a lack of respect and name-calling from certain Panasonic owners. rolleyes.gif
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Knock it off guys. This will be the only warning.
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

Knock it off guys. This will be the only warning.

Thanks for putting this thread back in order. Now let's get back to talking about how amazing this HDTV truly is and help others asking us questions make up their minds on what set to purchase. Also we can get back to discussing any issues any owners may be having. I for one own a 64F8500 and watched Avatar in 3D and Star Wars. Both with default settings and the enhancement's turned off. I am very impressed so far and can highly recommend this TV. It is brighter and has a true 1080p image full field which means you get no loss of image information on each eye in 3D. Panasonic Plasma's do not do this.For those two reason's I give the clear advantage over any Panasonic when fully calibrated. Color accuracy will be very similar on both when calibrated. Go to the store and demo for yourselves.
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Can someone post the dimensions of the pedestal? I have a tv stand that is 60" long and I want to know if the set will fit on it. BB told me it is 58 1/4 inches long and someone else said it was just over 50". If it is 58 1/4 I dont want to have it sitiing 1" from each edge. From the looks of the pictures (no local store has it on a stand) it looks like the 58 1/4 number may be correct as it looks like the stand goes from one edge of the panel to the other.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by oinchats View Post

Can someone post the dimensions of the pedestal? I have a tv stand that is 60" long and I want to know if the set will fit on it. BB told me it is 58 1/4 inches long and someone else said it was just over 50". If it is 58 1/4 I dont want to have it sitiing 1" from each edge. From the looks of the pictures (no local store has it on a stand) it looks like the 58 1/4 number may be correct as it looks like the stand goes from one edge of the panel to the other.

Thanks
What size TV ? If it's the 60", I went to Samsung's Website and it say's 54.8 Wide X 11.8 Deep. If it's any other Model you can go to Samsung's website and click on Plasma Tv's. The click on the model you want, and then click on Specs. If you need any further instruction on How to access the Samsung Website, Please Do a Google Search and Type in Samsung Plasma then when these come up be sure to click on the Official Samsung Website. If this don't Help you. Repost and we will walk you thru everything from turning the Computer On.
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I've been offered a Samsung PN51F8500 or PN60F8500($500 from my pocket) to replace my un repairable LG LX9500. I had the LG hooked up to my computer using HDMI and this was were I pulled most of my content(OTA,Netflix etc...) I really like the reviews the 8500 is getting however my fear now is hooking the plasma up as a computer monitor. Would I best to possibly forgo the amazing picture quality of the Plasma and just get the UN55F8000 LED and not wory, or is IR nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I used to have a 43" Pioneer Elite TV this is what the LG replaced the image was amazing howerver I was always concerned about the IR and leaving static images.

Any input would be great unfortunately I have to make a decision soon.
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Hey EzRush,
I own the PN51F8500 Plasma and the UN55ES8000 LED. Let me start off by saying both of these displays are Wonderful, you really can't go wrong with either. If you have concerns about IR and it is still possible and I see it's possibilities even with the 51F8500. I don't believe all that stuff that IR is a thing of the past, it just isn't true and never will be with Plasma Technology. That being said you have obviously owned Plasma's in the past and are aware that you do have precaution that you have to take with one. The chance of getting the Larger one for the same deal has the edge if you were to choose the Plasma route. These New Plasma's by Samsung do work alot better in a Brighter enviorment than any other Plasma I have owned. The whites are the Best I have seen on any Plasma Display.
Now let's take a look at the UN55F8000 LED. I don't own this one. I own the predecessor to it. I have seen it and didn't see enough improvement over the UN55ES8000 to warrant a purchase. Although, If I was purchasing today it would be the one I would get. The Blacks are as good as they can get with a LED to Date, which are Damn Good by my standards.Whites are stellar. Small detail ranks right up there at the Top with any Display on the market today. You will see some clouding and Faint Light bleed on the edges on a Blank screen but not while viewing Content.
I am one of the few People who Rank Whites as much as I do Black's so I always try to split the middle. As a matter of fact I thought I had Bought my last Plasma when I sold off two of the Kuro's that I owned and kept one. I just got tired of Brown Hockey rinks, Grey Snow, and when Tickers run across the bottom of the screen the letters should be WHITE. I am going to have to give the New Samsung Plasma's their due, they have made me a believer in the Plasmas once again, that's How much the Whites mean to me.

You are the only one who can answer your dillema. My suggestions are if your going with the Plasma get the bigger one. If you have concerns about lighting or IR get the LED.
I can guarantee you will not be disappointed with either one.
The New Samsungs are that Good.
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Thanks for the reply, I think I will speak with the shop who is offering me the trade and see if they may give me the F8000 at no extra cost to me, as it stands I need to give them $300 out of my pocket for the F8000 and they will give me a F7500 at no extra charge. The 51" is cheaper then all of them so I'm sure they wont complain if I go that route. Really curious however why there is a $1000 difference between the 51" and 60"
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Really curious however why there is a $1000 difference between the 51" and 60"

Popularity is the only reason

I am sorry where I missed you having too pull cash out of your pocket for the 60". Since I also seen where you were going to use it as a computer Monitor, I am going to Vote for the LED UN55F8000.
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Really curious however why there is a $1000 difference between the 51" and 60"

Popularity is the only reason

I am sorry where I missed you having too pull cash out of your pocket for the 60". Since I also seen where you were going to use it as a computer Monitor, I am going to Vote for the LED UN55F8000.

Pulled the triiger picking up the F8000 on Saturday.
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For those of you that use a stand with the 64" F8500 which one do you use? My current Sony stand is not wide enough.

Anyone have some good pictures of the 64" F8500 sitting on a stand?

Thx.
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Originally Posted by EzRush View Post

Pulled the triiger picking up the F8000 on Saturday.
Very good choice I think that was absolutely the best choice.
Congratulations
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post


Repost and we will walk you thru everything from turning the Computer On.

64" and look for my request for the walk thru in the future. Thanks
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Has someone hooked up an Xbox or a PS3 to their F8500? A general overview of some gaming performance would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

For those of you that use a stand with the 64" F8500 which one do you use? My current Sony stand is not wide enough.

Anyone have some good pictures of the 64" F8500 sitting on a stand?

Thx.
The one that comes with the tv. It's the only one made for the F8500.....or are you talking about an actual piece of furniture to place your tv on? There's two different interpretations of your question.
Edited by DanF8500 - 7/3/13 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

For those of you that use a stand with the 64" F8500 which one do you use? My current Sony stand is not wide enough.

Anyone have some good pictures of the 64" F8500 sitting on a stand?

Thx.
The one that comes with the tv. It's the only one made for the F8500.....or are you talking about an actual piece of furniture to place your tv on? There's two different interpretations of your question.

Yes actual piece of furniture.
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Yes actual piece of furniture.

I bought this stand (center console) which can be bought separately and can confirm the TV fits perfectly on it. http://m.roomstogo.com/product/Wall-Units/Brighton-Heights-4-Pc-Wall-Unit/2505262P/
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Originally Posted by EzRush View Post

Thanks for the reply, I think I will speak with the shop who is offering me the trade and see if they may give me the F8000 at no extra cost to me, as it stands I need to give them $300 out of my pocket for the F8000 and they will give me a F7500 at no extra charge. The 51" is cheaper then all of them so I'm sure they wont complain if I go that route. Really curious however why there is a $1000 difference between the 51" and 60"
The F8000 offers their Precision black local dimming, which turns off the LED's at the top and bottom of the set during movie leaving the "widescreen bars black". If you pair that with Micro dimming ultimate it make for a very uniform LED set. Those are the two major differences between the F7500 and F8000.
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Originally Posted by Phanes View Post

Has someone hooked up an Xbox or a PS3 to their F8500? A general overview of some gaming performance would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Check online as well on this question. I believe that CNET has it at 107ms lag time, but if you label your HDMI input as PC it will drop to about 53ms ( much better). I had a E7000 plasma last year and overall motion performance was better than on my ST50 for gaming. I didn't see as much 30hz/fps judder associated with gaming on plasma, but Panasonic has also made huge strides in this area as well.
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

sure they are Ken...as long as they include certain keywords/phrases such as "best mll," "only view in a batcave",'Panasonic is better","abl not an issue", brightness-blah,blah". well you get the point.
I will say when I take a bigger stance, I always add "that's my opinion and everyone has one". There are always people who love there product line. The die hard Sony's guy's can be rough too. Everyone gets a opinion and there is nothing wrong with it.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

The F8000 offers their Precision black local dimming, which turns off the LED's at the top and bottom of the set during movie leaving the "widescreen bars black". If you pair that with Micro dimming ultimate it make for a very uniform LED set. Those are the two major differences between the F7500 and F8000.
Either way Micro dimming is nothing like local dimming and really does not do much. Plasma is far better, far better.

--The words full array, back lit with local dimming are the words needed to stand apart from any other LED.
Edited by Cleveland Plasma - 7/4/13 at 8:23am
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Happy 4th to all and to me. Pulled the trigger today at BB on the 64" for $2,736.32 out the door plus I get 2% back from my credit card.
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