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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^To be fair, comparing the F8500 to a host of Sony LEDs isn't exactly the most equitable comparison. wink.gif

Haha, so true! No I had a Samsung 60E6500 till september this year and then went though 4 Sony's thats the story behind it, but you cannot compare them thats for sure! biggrin.gif
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Has anyone run into an issue using Component inputs from their cable box while trying to watch a non-HD channel. See below for my set-up. I have my Pace ENG110 Comcast cable box hooked up on HDMI to my receiver, and component to the TV, the cable box only has one HDMI. I use the compoent in to the TV to watch TV when I don't want the entire home theater fired up.

When I am watching through the receiver, I can watch any channel on the cable box just fine, HD and non-HD channels, but on Component, as soon as I tune to a non-HD channel the screen half filles with what looks like a big band of gray static and then freezes and does nothing, the sound it fine. In my area HD are the non-hd channel number + 800, so channel 2 standard def is 802 HD and if I fliip between them, the HD always works in component and the SD always fails, this applies to all SD channels. This was not an issue on my last TV (Panasonic TH-50PZ85U).

Any idea's?

My Set-Up:
Samsung PN64F8500AFXZA -- TV
Sony STR-DA2400ES -- Reciever (HDMI > TV)
Panasonic BDT-210 - Blu-Ray Plater (HDMI > Rcvr)
Pace ENG110 - Comcast Cable Box (HDMI > Rcvr and Component > TV)
Brite-View - Remote HDMI (PC to Rcvr) Only used when putting my HTPC on the TV (HDMI > Rcvr)
Sony DVP-CX995V - DVD Changer (HDMI > Rcvr)
HP Pavilion h8se - HTPC (HDMI > Brite-View)
Ceton InfiniTV Tuner w/Comcast Cable Card - (Tuner in HTPC)
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^To be fair, comparing the F8500 to a host of Sony LEDs isn't exactly the most equitable comparison. wink.gif
Not unless you go to last years and the year before local dimming units. Even so, the Samsung would be on top smile.gif
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Originally Posted by HumanGenome View Post

New to the forums and just got a PN60F8500 a week ago. I have had nonstop issues with the TV restarting randomly. It happens about 15-20 times a day and at random intervals. I usually get lucky and am able to watch a full movie from USB after a few restarts and not fiddling with anything. Watching TV has been a nightmare, I cannot get it to stay on.

I tried an OTA firmware update and I have the latest version .1112 and the update from the Samsung website (tried installing via USB) said it was not a newer version and did not update.

I don't know what to do at this point. Do I need to take back my TV?

EDIT: I just unplugged my Logitech Wireless K4000 keyboard/touch combo and I have not had a restart since (30 min later) -- knock on wood!
EDIT2: It worked for the rest of the night but when I booted it up for some football this morning I had restarts for the first 30 min. Been fine ever since (2-3 hours ago). Seems it's happening on cold start and good for a while after that..

I uploaded a video that shows 3 crashes happening in a 7 minute time span.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM4fpFD-a3g
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^ I would have contacted Samsung long ago if my new tv was rebooting like that. I'm thinking because your tv actually reboots back up, that it's not your house voltage or surge suppressor. I would think that incoming voltage drops/spikes would cause the tv to simply turn off without turning back on. Contact Samsung asap!
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Thanks 007
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

^ I would have contacted Samsung long ago if my new tv was rebooting like that. I'm thinking because your tv actually reboots back up, that it's not your house voltage or surge suppressor. I would think that incoming voltage drops/spikes would cause the tv to simply turn off without turning back on. Contact Samsung asap!

A service tech is coming out soon. Thanks for the input on the house vultage thing. It's not connected to a surge protector at all. I am thinking it's hardware related sadly.
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Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr View Post

Thanks 007
YW I see you havent gotten an answer yet in either thread but I figured with a post like that you would be more likely to get a good answer from an owner. And I wanted to make sure you were aware of the owners thread.
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Originally Posted by HumanGenome View Post

I uploaded a video that shows 3 crashes happening in a 7 minute time span.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM4fpFD-a3g

I just watched the video and noticed that it seemed to crash as soon as it was going to talk to your USB stick, have you tried unplugging all USB devices and running it a while, I have a el cheapo USB stick that hangs my Blu-Ray player as soon as I plug it in, work on my laptop, all 3 PC's, and 2 tablets, but plug it in the blu-ray player and it just hangs.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

YW I see you havent gotten an answer yet in either thread but I figured with a post like that you would be more likely to get a good answer from an owner. And I wanted to make sure you were aware of the owners thread.

Ahhh, I did not notice that one was owners, I generally only drop by here when I am about to buy something, or something goes wrong with something I bought. I sent back a Panasonic 65" ZT60 after hearing this loud woo-woo-woo sound from what turned out to be air flow from the fans, major bummer, I really liked it for the week I had it. So far I do not regret it at all, the F8500 took a few tweaks to get to the same place the ZT60 was out of the box, but it is stunning now. I hunted around and I am guessing there are not a lot of folks using the component input with their cable box (HDMI goes to my AVR). Looks like it can't sync.

One off question -- Do you happen to know what the TV's HDMI input (EDID) say it is? Mostly wondering if it tells it that it is 5.1 surround or just stereo capable.
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Camaro,

My AVR, listed below, has an option where I can set the HDMI output to "power off pass through". This mode allows the signal from one input to pass through the AVR even when its turned off. You may want to check the manual for your AVR to see if you have the same feature.
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Hi guys, I just received my vt60 yesterday. So far it looks dim and very soft to me. Only had a few hours to play with. I was wondering if anyone had the f8500 and panny vt60 in there home or saw a huge differnce in brightness and sharpness. I auditioned them both at BB and liked the way the vt60 looked better than the Sammy f8500. I thought that the vt would be plenty bright for my room, but now that I have it, even in a dark room in crave more brightness and sharpness. I do know the f8500 does go brighter, but does it wash out colors etc? Just trying to get used to my new tv. I do have a 60 day return period. Thanks guys.
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I had a VT60 but ended up returning it due to the fan noise that grated on me. I now have the F8500. I did like the picture when I had the VT but also thought the VT was missing some sharpness and needed some + adjustment. I have never thought the 8500 needed any adjustment even at 0. The 8500 goes bright but the colors stay normal and saturated. You make it brighter not by adjusting brightness but instead by adjusting the cell light and contrast. I do recommend finding some user settings and adjusting the TV based on those. For me, that made a big difference.
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Thanks PTO. Would you say the colors have the same saturation As the vt60? Also, do you miss the black level of the vt at all? Does the f8500 seem any clearer to you? To me the vt has a kind of foggy or hazy look to it. Also I know plasmas get simmer the bigger you go, but would the 65 inch be way dimmer than say a 50 inch? Sorry for so many questions, just trying to get an idea of what is what. I'm really trying to love the vt, but the hazy foggy dim look doesn't do it for me. I will keep messing with it. Oh yea one more thing, do you notice any difference in the buzz between the two? I do Hear the fan and a buzz from 25 ft out. Thanks again.
Edited by AVKIK - 9/26/13 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

Thanks pro. Would you say the colors have the same saturation As the vt60? Also, do you miss the black level of the vt at all? Does the f8500 seem any clearer to you? To me the vt has a kind of foggy or hazy look to it. Also I know plasmas get simmer the bigger you go, but would the 65 inch be way dimmer than say a 50 inch? Sorry for so many questions, just trying to get an idea of what is what. I'm really trying to love the vt, but the hazy foggy dim look doesn't do it for me. I will keep messing with it. Oh yea one more thing, do you notice any difference in the buzz between the two? I do Hear the fan and a buzz from 25 ft out. Thanks again.

I think the colors are equivalent and I can't say one looked better than the other. I never had the two at the same time but once I adjusted the 8500 settings using some posted here I have a hard time telling any difference in black levels. Maybe if they were side by side I would say something different but I don't have any complaints about the 8500.

To me the 8500 is much clearer. A lot of people have noted this. I saw it at BB but since you never know who they have the TVs set up I took it with a grain of salt. I noticed there that underwater pictures and peoples faces had a lot more detail on the 8500. Now that I own one, the detail is astonishing. The detail I have seen with Tru Blood is amazing and it is only 720p.

I have a 65" and it seems plenty bright to me. I actually use the calibrated night settings I found for most daylight viewing unless it is really bright in the room.

I never heard any buzz from the VT. I have read lots of complaints on the 8500 and buzz and I can see where they are coming from. I have had two 8500's and both buzzed. The first one I sent back because it was defective when black optimizer was on but I liked it enough to get another one. Both buzz but it is strange buzz. If you sit to the left or right of center, you can't hear it one bit. If I sit dead center, I can definitely hear it but only when I turn my head sideways. Since it is pretty much impossible to watch TV with your head turned sideways, I never notice it while watching TV:) I am TOTALLY anal when it comes to noises so in my setup I think most people would not have an issue. I always heard the fan of the VT and got to the point where I was always waiting for it if there was any dip in the volume. I don't miss that at all.
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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post

For those interested, found free IR remote link posted by philwojo:
https://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/notice/remote/index.jsp

Submit form online. Form and picture of free IR remote:

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
Has anyone filled this and received the remote.
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I did and have. Just make sure to enter the serial #s in all CAPS.
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I had a question about the black tone setting found in the advanced picture settings. Why is it recommended that this be left off all the time? When set to darkest, I see black shirts appear more black, but off they are a bit lighter. With the setting at off, is that the actual true way the picture should look?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by cdjocp View Post

Has anyone filled this and received the remote.

Yep, I ordered mine and got the free remote also, haven't had to use it yet, but nice to know I have it if/when needed.

Phil
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Hey PTO, just wanted to thank you again for all the help with my questions. If your saying the f8500 colors don't get washed out and stay saturated when the brightness is cranked up, It just might be the tv for my environment. Still tweaking my VT a little here and there. The custom mode is one of the brightest and clears things up a little, but still not bright and sharp enough for my room and taste. Does anyone know how much these panels fluctuate in brightness according to the size? I've read that the larger the panel the dimmer it is. How does the light output change on the f8500 's or is there no difference? Thanks
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Guys what are your views on a F8500 picture thread.
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Is there anyone other than PTO that switched from the panasonic vt60 or zt60 to the f8500?? If so please tell me or us what your thoughts are. Especially the light output. Are the f8500 really that much brighter without washing out colors? Is the buzzing louder on one over the other? Any info whatsoever would be great. I currently have the 65vt60 and am not overly thrilled about the picture (looks dim and soft to me and fans and buzz are quite loud). Thinking of going th f8500 route. Thanks so much.
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Thanks Pie but what I meant is a picture thread like the one Kuro owners had/have. This is just for posterity guys so owners who feel like sharing their setups?
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^ You mean snaps taken of the sets themselves whilst showing something?
Sure start one up smile.gif
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Tiny bit of a problem am not an owner yet :-) that's why I was requesting if owners might feel inclined to do it.
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

Is there anyone other than PTO that switched from the panasonic vt60 or zt60 to the f8500?? If so please tell me or us what your thoughts are. Especially the light output. Are the f8500 really that much brighter without washing out colors? Is the buzzing louder on one over the other? Any info whatsoever would be great. I currently have the 65vt60 and am not overly thrilled about the picture (looks dim and soft to me and fans and buzz are quite loud). Thinking of going th f8500 route. Thanks so much.

I had a 55st60 and 51f8500 in my house at the same time. I bought the st60 first, but was underwhelmed with the daytime picture. It was less bright than my old Panasonic th-50px77u plasma after proper setup. there was a big difference in the daytime picture, the f8500 is much brighter than the Panasonic. (the st60 is brighter than the vt60) I was happy enough with the picture of the f8500 to lose 4" of picture size.
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

Is there anyone other than PTO that switched from the panasonic vt60 or zt60 to the f8500?? If so please tell me or us what your thoughts are. Especially the light output. Are the f8500 really that much brighter without washing out colors? Is the buzzing louder on one over the other? Any info whatsoever would be great. I currently have the 65vt60 and am not overly thrilled about the picture (looks dim and soft to me and fans and buzz are quite loud). Thinking of going th f8500 route. Thanks so much.

I recently sent back my 65ZT60 over the fan noise and am very happy with the switch. To your questions:

F8500 vs ZT60 on brightness
The F8500 is a lot brighter out of the box, almost like the ZT60 in game mode, the F8500 in Standard. Knocking down out of t box cell light, brightness, and contrast brings it in pretty darn good, even better when I tossed in the Disney WOW and DVE HD Essentials tune up discs. It never seems to blow out the colors except in Dynamic (game) mode where the color intensity makes things look a little cartoonish, that can be knocked down as well. I find the tune on Relax seems to be the closest to the ZT60.

I decided to use Standard for my bright room set-up and that is stunning in a very bright room, basically daylight brigh, almost like watching a good tube TV. Again this takes some tuning, I ended up using the Disney WOW and a couple other Blu-Ray "show-off" image discs to really dial standard in the room that bright. It it possible to hit cartoon colors but with things tuned up a bit the color in a bright room approaches a good LED, nice balance and the colors don't scream at you, amazing the shadows in things like The Dark Night were not bad, lost some, but not nearly I the ZT60 did as it visibly washed out a little under the same light levels.

I did the dark room set up in Movie and it is just stunning, I think better than the ZT60 watching a Blu-Ray movie, I watched Star Trek Into The Darkenss as my debut Blu-Ray on the ZT60 and have to say, with no tuning at all, in Movie, it was just stunning, so tight. Took a lot of putzing with the F8500 to get that effect, the "cross-talk" between settings is pretty significant compared to my old Plasma a Panasonic TH-50PZ85U (I did not try tuning the ZT60 as I knew the day I got it was going back, thing made more noise than my fridge.). Took me about 2 hours to get a real feel for how the controls interacted, then just a lot of baby step iterations to dial it in.

F8500 vz ZT60 on Panel Buzz
I did not hear any buzz from the ZT60 (perhaps it could not beat our the fan noise...) nor can I on the f8500 unless I get behind it, notta from my viewing position at 12 feet, nor from the end of the couch at about 4 feet. which is not a good distance, the F8500 gets really picking about the viewing angle as you get real close and I do not recal the same on thre ZT60 but I can't remember if I looked at from that close, if I did I did not notice any effects, one the F8500 at 2-3 feet you get 15-20 degrees above or below center and the screen starts to turn black, I assume this is the anti-glare stuff. If you are listening from behind the set you can here the buzz get louder on all white screens, but again, nothing from listening distance.

F8500 Annoyances:
- Unlike the Pani you can't disable sources not connected so they stay in the menu and even let you pick them only to yell at you about it...
- If the HDMI is signal drops, like when changing sources the TV throws up a Lost HDMI Error and forces you to cursor down and hit enter on the remote, this is really dumb, hopefully they can fix this in a firmware bump.
- Zoom does not let to get to use the full screen under all conditions, the best you can do on some sources is about 90% of the height of the screen, so a lot smaller top and bottom bars but given the inch I already gave up it seems they could do better, this is something all pani's seem to do very well, including the ZT60, you always have at least two options to use all of the screen, one that maintains the aspect ratio but chops from the side or one that distorts the picture, some folks seem to like everyone to look tall and skinny or short and fat, point is the pani zoom is great, this is so-so.
- The DNLA client has to be one of the worst ones I have ever used and none of the third party ones will work as far as I know so far, none available at the app store, the ZT60 was just as lame, it is usable on both for anything WMC or WMP can play, if you can find it and don't mind no controls except pause, stop, and jump to next show, ok for music and photo's but recorded TV and movies not so good.
- The keyboard does not work in most of the Samsung and other apps so it back to remote for a lot of stuff where you would most want the keyboard, it is however great in the broswer.
- No direct access to a specific source input makes automation integration harder.

F8500 Cool Things:
- The DLNA gets here also, while the controls are poor, I record and strip commercials out in WMC and it records to .wtv format, the F8500 plays them perfectly, I notices the ZT60 strugged and often the video was so out of sync I could not watch it.
- Screen share with the Samsung Galaxy Tab that came with my set, this really works well, so good that it is better to use WatchOn (Samsung app) and get it from the TV then any other source. It is so clean, no drop outs or audio sync issues at all and a stunning picture on the tablet.
- The Android remote has a ways to go but it pretty cool also, tried a few others and they all seem to have their short comings but it is nice to play along as it matures.
- Blu-Tooth range is outstanding (your milage may vary, RF is pretty situational)
- I had mixed views on the base initially but now I see (or don't see to be more accurate) any cables behind it, even dressed pretty well, they are very hard to hide on the ZT60, but the ZT60 stand is pretty cool looking and has a lot smaller footprint, I was lucky that my stand happened to be 5 feet wide already.
- My came with the new little remote and the older long remote, this is really nice, the big one giving instant access to most things you want and the touch pad much better for dealing with navigation when the keyboard is not working or you don't feel like messing with it.
- Voice and gestures have some really cool "show-off" effects if you play with it a bit before you demo it, blew my neighbors away. Ok Ok this is a little superficial but so is a $3K TV so show it off say!
-USB media support
- Plenty of connection options
- Smart Remote, this is really working well with my cable box, does not suffer the typical IR issues, so far it has not missed once, even on a 4 digit channel change, displays the guide, menu, so fully functional for the cable box.

Overall I am glad I switched and not tried to put up with the fans on the ZT60, however had the ZT60 not made fan noise I would have totally happy with it, they both have great pictures.


Edited to remove camera issue from the annoyances list, it is adjustable.
Edited by CamaroDrvr - 9/29/13 at 11:40pm
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camera angle can be adjusted... there is a tiny 'wheel' on top of it. turn it backwards (away) from you and it will tilt it downwards. if that makes sense!
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