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post #9241 of 11459

Hi,

 

Has anyone been able to solve the buzzing sound from the 64F8500? I have it and its definitely audible from 3-4 meters away. I have tried varying degrees of covering the panel up but to no avail. Please if someone has a good solution let me know.

 

Also, I just swapped my LED F8000 for the F8500 due to vertical banding however, while the F8500 doesn't have any vertical banding it does seem to be really bad at motion than the F8000. It is a huge difference between the 2 sets when I play games on it. For example when I play GTA5, everytime I pan the camera around, the world seems to lag with all the objects surrounding the central character showing a very very noticeable trail. I have tried using the motion judder cancellation option but that introduces so much artifacts its barely useable (standard doesnt seem to do anything while smooth introduces artifacts). Has anyone else got this problem or is this only for my set?

 

 

Thanks guys.

post #9242 of 11459
Kagawa 26, i have mentioned the directional buzzing issue in the past and noticed it only when turning my ear toward the television. I am happy to say (fingers crossed that it doesn't get louder) that the buzzing has greatly diminished. Is there still a buzz? Yes, but being super nit picky about this i am now satisfied with the buzz level. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being when i first received the TV, i'd give the buzz now a 3 and this is in a pitch quiet room. I associate the buzz level decreasing towards "breaking in" the tv. I don't know how many hours are on the panel but i know it's more than 300. I was running the tv approx 6 hours a day for two months. Others have mentioned that their buzz level has subsided as the tv aged. Hopefully yours will as well.
post #9243 of 11459
I just noticed that there is now an 1114 Firmware update for the Pn60F8500. I know that Samsung isn't very forthcoming with update details. If anyone notices any changes with this update, could you please post them here?
post #9244 of 11459
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Originally Posted by TheCleaner33 View Post

I just noticed that there is now an 1114 Firmware update for the Pn60F8500. I know that Samsung isn't very forthcoming with update details. If anyone notices any changes with this update, could you please post them here?

I did the update and did not notice any changes.
post #9245 of 11459
BANG!

Sorry, I have a habit of doing those wink.gif
post #9246 of 11459
^ cracks me up...every time smile.gif
post #9247 of 11459
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Originally Posted by 49ers View Post

Kagawa 26, i have mentioned the directional buzzing issue in the past and noticed it only when turning my ear toward the television. I am happy to say (fingers crossed that it doesn't get louder) that the buzzing has greatly diminished. Is there still a buzz? Yes, but being super nit picky about this i am now satisfied with the buzz level. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being when i first received the TV, i'd give the buzz now a 3 and this is in a pitch quiet room. I associate the buzz level decreasing towards "breaking in" the tv. I don't know how many hours are on the panel but i know it's more than 300. I was running the tv approx 6 hours a day for two months. Others have mentioned that their buzz level has subsided as the tv aged. Hopefully yours will as well.


Hi 49ers, thanks for that, that's at least given me some optimism, that buzz really is driving me insane and yes exact same thing with me when I turn my head and have my ear facing the TV it is extremely audible. I really do hope the buzz will diminish over time. Did you have to do anything to get it to diminish? I was thinking of opening it up and tightening some screws or poking around a bit to see if it helps, like how people have been fixing their Panasonic sets...(I know that's probably not going to help but im really running out of patience)

 

Also about the 2nd part of my post, has anyone had any issues with the motion handling of this set? It may be that I am not used to the plasma motion handling but it was such a big change to my previous LCD that I can barely play fast panning action games on it because it makes the games look so ugly, what's up with the image trailing? I can see double of everything when I pan my camera in GTA5, it is really annoying, is it a set fault or is it just meant to be like this? Does this get better over time as well?

post #9248 of 11459
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Originally Posted by TheCleaner33 View Post

I just noticed that there is now an 1114 Firmware update for the Pn60F8500. I know that Samsung isn't very forthcoming with update details. If anyone notices any changes with this update, could you please post them here?
I also did the update to 1114 two days ago, the picture seems to be a bit less sharp in a positive way, and red was a bit orange/light reddish before but now deep red, that's what I noticed with the new update. I am not using the SMART stuff, so cannot say if there are any improvements there. I have to say I was a bit hesitant updating from 1112 to 1114 (where is 1113?), and in the past it messed up a great picture from a 2011 plasma TV back then, but in this case it did improve the picture and also took care of the juddering in the Standard/Smooth settings, which is almost 100% gone now on my set (60F8500) after the update biggrin.gif
post #9249 of 11459
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I'm torn as to which route to go, 60" F8500 or 60" F8000, and I'm looking for some insight.

I was leaning F8000 until we went to Best Buy today and saw the (2) in the Magnolia room, plasma low and LED high, both playing Avengers.
The F8000 looked ok, and would probably look great with no comparison beside it, but here were my takes:
1) the F8000 looked fake, like I shot the video. The picture was amazing, but the lighting on it looked amateur, like it was a backyard movie.
2) you could actually see black and shadow detail on the F8500 where the F8000 looked significantly darker.
3) the F8000 looks so much sleeker than the F8500.

The salesman said both were calibrated and I assume he's telling me the truth since they were in the darker room. I haven't heard much of the issues I saw with #1 so what do I attribute this to?...and is it leading to the issues with #2 (though plasma is better here in general)? I didn't think I'd see that much lack of detail in the top of the line LED with the microdimming.

Here are the particulars for where this television will be located...not ideal, but it is what it is:
*The television will be mounted above a gas fireplace. I plan on purchasing a mount that will allow for tilting as well as telescoping to help alleviate the main viewing location angle and location. Wifey likes the sleeker LED, but is ok with the plasma if that is what I decide. It will be the focal point of the room so I want to get it right...wish the plasma was a little more sleek.
*The main uses of this television are movies, Netflix, sports, Xbox, cable TV...has the input lag gotten better with updates or is it a problem for gaming?
We will have wired ethernet to this location.
*The room will be on the brighter side during the day; will be able to dim/switch lights at night to control.

Which is right for us? The side by side comparison favored the plasma, but I'm not entirely sure the LED was set up correctly since I haven't read much on the issues I saw.
post #9250 of 11459
Thread Starter 
So with the three points made above, the answer is clear right ? Buy the F8500. It may not be as "sleek" but the picture is far better to most people.
post #9251 of 11459

I'm having my F8500 wall mounted... I'm buying the HDMI cables (vs paying through the nose throught the installer)...  right now I just have normal 3' HDMI cables connecting it to the cable and BluRay player... and they stick out noticably from the side of the TV on the left.  When wall mounted.. how do people conceal the cables?  Do they stick out like that if you use normal HDMI connections--or is there a way to pull them back behind the TV with a normal HDMI connection so you can't see them.. or do you have to use a 270 degree elbow cables so they point backwards towards the wall?

 

TIA!

post #9252 of 11459
I'll try to answer three of your questions although I'm new around here and not near as smart as most of the community.

For ghosting and bad gaming try the game (if it has one) mode and turning everything off as well as making sure the tv is up to date. Typically game mode already does that though. If those things don't help then send the tv back because it's not going to get any better. Plasmas aren't made for gaming anyways and the technology behind them requires a lot more processing but gives you a better picture for movies / low light.

I think what you need to hide cables is 90 degree or 270 degree adapters. You can find them on amazon or monoprice or wherever.

And your plasma vs led question is exactly that. Just google plasma versus LCD. I myself bought the plasma because I want to get the best possible picture for watching movies and I'm going to calibrate it myself. If picture isn't as important go LCD because they are lighter, quieter (no buzz), thinner, run cooler, use less power, have better response time (less lag), and you don't have to worry about burn in. For me it's all about the best possible picture quality and darker more rich colors and blacks.
post #9253 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ftballfn View Post

I'm having my F8500 wall mounted... I'm buying the HDMI cables (vs paying through the nose throught the installer)...  right now I just have normal 3' HDMI cables connecting it to the cable and BluRay player... and they stick out noticably from the side of the TV on the left.  When wall mounted.. how do people conceal the cables?  Do they stick out like that if you use normal HDMI connections--or is there a way to pull them back behind the TV with a normal HDMI connection so you can't see them.. or do you have to use a 270 degree elbow cables so they point backwards towards the wall?

TIA!

+1 on this exact question.

I got some of those right-angle HDMI "port savers" from Monoprice, and they won't work because my 51" F8500 is too close to the wall. (Also using the slim profile Monoprice mount, which is a wicked bargain.) Would love to see pics of other users out there that have found a slick way to easily hide the edges of the cables.
post #9254 of 11459
I am just getting ready to purchase a F8500 after a power surge took out my Kuro 151. Can someone please let me know if Cinema Smooth has been fixed in any of the firmware updates? From what I have read, most people keep this turned off while watching blu ray discs. Is this true?

Any advice would be appreciated. My Kuro was perfect and very hard to move to a different monitor!!
post #9255 of 11459
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Originally Posted by peekytoe View Post

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Originally Posted by Ftballfn View Post

I'm having my F8500 wall mounted... I'm buying the HDMI cables (vs paying through the nose throught the installer)...  right now I just have normal 3' HDMI cables connecting it to the cable and BluRay player... and they stick out noticably from the side of the TV on the left.  When wall mounted.. how do people conceal the cables?  Do they stick out like that if you use normal HDMI connections--or is there a way to pull them back behind the TV with a normal HDMI connection so you can't see them.. or do you have to use a 270 degree elbow cables so they point backwards towards the wall?

TIA!

+1 on this exact question.

I got some of those right-angle HDMI "port savers" from Monoprice, and they won't work because my 51" F8500 is too close to the wall. (Also using the slim profile Monoprice mount, which is a wicked bargain.) Would love to see pics of other users out there that have found a slick way to easily hide the edges of the cables.

i use these as they have a low profile connector. works great and has a nice tight connection.

http://www.amazon.com/Accell-B146C-007B-Ultra-Thin-6-6-Feet-Ethernet/dp/B00B3T6C5Y/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383614470&sr=1-3&keywords=accell+pro+ultra+hdmi
post #9256 of 11459
And I use these adapters - their bend is vertical up and down (as opposed to back behind the TV, which is wall-mounted) - you can't see either one from the front

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PW04EG/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PVW1DY/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
post #9257 of 11459
OK, so I have this weird thing happening once a day. I'll be watching TV and the screen will go black for a split second. Then when the picture comes back on the info bar comes on from the top (showing the input, time etc..). Has anyone have this happen????
post #9258 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jmavra View Post

OK, so I have this weird thing happening once a day. I'll be watching TV and the screen will go black for a split second. Then when the picture comes back on the info bar comes on from the top (showing the input, time etc..). Has anyone have this happen????
That means you're probably watching cable/satellite TV. That happens whenever there's a signal dropout for even a fraction of a second. Some providers are worse than others. With other displays, you might see a garbage screen for a quick flash, with the F8500, you get the screen you described.


Max
post #9259 of 11459
Any suggestions on HDMI-CEC compatibility? I started with a Sony 1040 but it had too many HDMI cable(?) compatibility issues. I returned it for a Denon AVR-X2000 and I've not had a single HDMI cable issue. Instead, I've gotten frustrated at the inconsistent HDMI-CEC behavior. I've actually contacted both Denon and Samsung tech support and -- predictably -- they both blame the other and without addressing any of my specific points. Interestingly, Samsung specifically blamed Denon and said any other receiver brand would work better.

Does anyone have any direct experience in this regard? Is Denon worse than, say, Onkyo or Yamaha when it comes to HDMI-CEC and Audio Return Channel (ARC)? Thank you for any suggestions!
________________________________________________________

P.S. Two specific examples, starting with all equipment off:
  1. If I power-on my Sony BD player, the Samsung TV will power-on but not the Denon. Denon insists that it's the TV's responsibility to request the receiver.
  2. If I power-on the Samsung first and the Denon second, and then switch the Denon to the Sony BD ... a few seconds later the Denon will switch back to 'TV Audio' (ARC). This happens even though the Samsung is on HDMI-3 input, not it's built-in tuner or apps. It's as if the Samsung is requesting the ARC channel unnecessarily.
post #9260 of 11459
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

That means you're probably watching cable/satellite TV. That happens whenever there's a signal dropout for even a fraction of a second. Some providers are worse than others. With other displays, you might see a garbage screen for a quick flash, with the F8500, you get the screen you described.


Max

That would make sense, as I think it only happens when watching sat. Could a bad HDMI cable cause the same problem??
post #9261 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jmavra View Post

OK, so I have this weird thing happening once a day. I'll be watching TV and the screen will go black for a split second. Then when the picture comes back on the info bar comes on from the top (showing the input, time etc..). Has anyone have this happen????

I get the same thing, and it happens about 5-10 minutes after I turn on my TV, 100% consistently. I turn on my TV, 5-10 minutes later I get one short black cut-out, and it never happens again as long as I keep the TV on.
post #9262 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ftballfn View Post

I'm having my F8500 wall mounted... I'm buying the HDMI cables (vs paying through the nose throught the installer)...  right now I just have normal 3' HDMI cables connecting it to the cable and BluRay player... and they stick out noticably from the side of the TV on the left.  When wall mounted.. how do people conceal the cables?  Do they stick out like that if you use normal HDMI connections--or is there a way to pull them back behind the TV with a normal HDMI connection so you can't see them.. or do you have to use a 270 degree elbow cables so they point backwards towards the wall?

TIA!

Use these type

http://www.amazon.com/Degree-Ethernet-Channel-Supports-Resolutions/dp/B004556B9K
post #9263 of 11459
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Originally Posted by jmavra View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

That means you're probably watching cable/satellite TV. That happens whenever there's a signal dropout for even a fraction of a second. Some providers are worse than others. With other displays, you might see a garbage screen for a quick flash, with the F8500, you get the screen you described.


Max

That would make sense, as I think it only happens when watching sat. Could a bad HDMI cable cause the same problem??
Yes, it could be a faulty/loose HDMI cable.

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Originally Posted by Chris Carollo View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmavra View Post

OK, so I have this weird thing happening once a day. I'll be watching TV and the screen will go black for a split second. Then when the picture comes back on the info bar comes on from the top (showing the input, time etc..). Has anyone have this happen????

I get the same thing, and it happens about 5-10 minutes after I turn on my TV, 100% consistently. I turn on my TV, 5-10 minutes later I get one short black cut-out, and it never happens again as long as I keep the TV on.
The problem is potentially related to the HDMI handshake, in which case, your equipment chain re-initiating the handshake can cause this.


Max
post #9264 of 11459
Has anybody had issue with burn in or image retention (IR) for this set? Thinking of buying this set, but my wife watches lots of Indian channels, and most of these channels have fixed logos which may cause burn in or IR.
Edited by bestboy1 - 11/7/13 at 1:33pm
post #9265 of 11459
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

That means you're probably watching cable/satellite TV. That happens whenever there's a signal dropout for even a fraction of a second. Some providers are worse than others. With other displays, you might see a garbage screen for a quick flash, with the F8500, you get the screen you described.
Max
Ya Samsung's are noted for that, others manufacturers are not so bad, there is a delay built in so that does not happen.
post #9266 of 11459
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Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Has anybody had issue with burn in or image retention (IR) for this set? Thinking of buying this set, but my wife watches lots of Indian channels, and most of these channels have fixed logos which may cause burn in or IR.

 

No burn in or retention with normal use.  Check this out if you are concerned.

 

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/

post #9267 of 11459
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Originally Posted by johnschwei View Post

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Originally Posted by bestboy1 View Post

Has anybody had issue with burn in or image retention (IR) for this set? Thinking of buying this set, but my wife watches lots of Indian channels, and most of these channels have fixed logos which may cause burn in or IR.

No burn in or retention with normal use.  Check this out if you are concerned.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/
While that article is great testimony to Samsung vs Panny panels, who knows if it still holds true with the F8500?. The new panel can get A LOT brighter than the previous ones and might have an effect on IR and burn-in resilience.

That said though, I've only seen minor IR once and it went away pretty quickly. For reference, I never ran preview slides, I just watched a lot of mixed content from full screen to 2.40:1 to 4:3, BD as well as cable. Some channels have logos, some don't, but I haven't really watched anything with a static logo nonstop for hours upon hours though.


Max
post #9268 of 11459
So horizontal banding in panning shots (on light colour backrounds) is normal for this tv? Everyone has them or is it a fault that needs change?
post #9269 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Ya Samsung's are noted for that, others manufacturers are not so bad, there is a delay built in so that does not happen.

Thanks for setting me straight Chris - decided to buy on this side of the border - Local Dealer having 38th Anniversary Sale and the price on this TV was much below our Local FS and BB.
Saturday, become the proud new owner of the Samsung PN64F8500 - all these years being a LED Person, decided to get my act in place before Plasmas are all gone! Wife tried to cajole me into buying the Samsung 75" LED - took her off to the side, showed her how she now had a B&W PQ - look way down the store at that an extreme angle - 8500 still full colour!
This should tide me over until OLEDs get their act together!

Tried finding a connection to the IR Remote Control Offer, or where to purchase - Nada!
If anyone did get the Remote, do you have a Model #?
Edited by p5browne - 11/9/13 at 4:18pm
post #9270 of 11459
Good morning all, I've always been a plasma guy. I had the top A,B and D series plasmas so with all the excitement with all the 2013 led and plasma sets I regretfully decided to go with the 65f8000. Man did I hate this tv from the start, I really tried to embrace it but not a chance, I found every flaw that it had,banding, light flashing etc etc... So I returned it and brought home a 64f8500 last night,which I should have purchased from the start, especially after watching value electronics shoot out. I am blown away by how much better the blacks and pic quality are with the 8500. I will never stray again. biggrin.gif
Edited by jjclecky - 11/9/13 at 3:55am
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