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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

somebody posted on here not too long ago that Samsung confirmed a 'g' line of plasmas for 2014. the question is how much longer will they make plasmas if there's no other competition in that market segment. it might help, it might hurt. 100% of plasma buyers might be enough to support a couple of models with minor r&d, but i'm sure no manufacture will continue to make plasmas if they feel it's only competing with their led or oled divisions. why make 15 models to sell to a million ppl if you can make 10 models and still sell to a million ppl?
We need two years, then I think the OLED's will have enough steam. Hope Samsung makes plasma's in 2015 as well wink.gif
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You might get away with 6" on each side but that is close, it looks to me like most of the weight ends up on those corners. My stand was 3 levels and I got a new board for the top and painted it black to match the stand and put in in the place of the 48" wide shelf that used to be there, came out looking pretty good, putting a slight curve on front was a royal pain, had to rig a table extension on my router and make a jig from the middle board that had the same curve. (Still better than 600 bucks for a new stand.)
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Has anyone else upgrade to firmware version 1114 and noticed a huge downgrade in picture quality?

My picture quality has got substantially worse since this upgrade. Colors are less vibrant and accurate now, there is quite a bit of bad aliasing in the picture, faces seem softer, overall general HD programming doesn't look any better than SD now, and this is on all sources. Blu rays don't look nearly as good anymore either, and this is all since upgrading to the new firmware. Any others experiencing this?

I noticed what seemed like a fuzzier picture after the upgrade, I turned the sharpness up from 0 to 20 and that seems to have helped a lot, not sure why, the contrast setting previously hardly made a difference except the extremes. I brought brightness up 4 and contrast down 2 to get the gray bars looking right on Disney WOW cal disk. (I am not sure this was the result of the firmware change or my set still breaking in)

Now it looks pretty much like it did before the firmware upgrade.
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

We need two years, then I think the OLED's will have enough steam. Hope Samsung makes plasma's in 2015 as well wink.gif

I would be thrilled to see a Samsung plasma that could match the ZT60 in black levels while retaining the F8500's brightness. That's all I could ever ask for in a plasma.
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I must be crazy or lucky but my picture quality seemingly gets better week by week. Btw, the Plex app (free) is incredible. No buzz, stunning picture.
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I must be crazy or lucky but my picture quality seemingly gets better week by week. Btw, the Plex app (free) is incredible. No buzz, stunning picture.
Your experience is widely reported for plasma displays from many different manufacturers. Well, from a rapidly reduced number of current manufacturers eek.gif.
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. Btw, the Plex app (free) is incredible. No buzz, stunning picture.
Plex app?


Max
post #9308 of 11445
Yeah, it's probably the best Plex app on the market & it's free. It's based on Plex's own HomeTheater client. 1.07 should be out in a week or two. But put it this way, I know some people that bought this tv just to have that Plex app on a top end tv. It's that good. If you use Plex or know of/have a PMS, get the app from the SmartHub apps section. Just search for Plex. It's even better than my Roku Plex app imo.
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I've been playing with the f8500 for about a week now and have the picture for tv viewing where I like it but I'm having problems with Bluray's. I have a Ps3 and I can't find a way to get the picture to fill the screen and it looks a little grainy. I've tried all the modes on the set and the zoom1 and zoom2 are grayed out.I'm assuming one of these settings will get the picture to fill in but I'm kind of lost. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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^ have you setup the TV in the PS3 Display menu yet? Perhaps the PS3 is not outputting 1080p yet.
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Originally Posted by shpankey View Post

I must be crazy or lucky but my picture quality seemingly gets better week by week. Btw, the Plex app (free) is incredible. No buzz, stunning picture.
Sometimes things get better with age.......
post #9312 of 11445
I didn't do that but I will try it tonight and see if it helps. Thanks
post #9313 of 11445
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Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr View Post

You might get away with 6" on each side but that is close, it looks to me like most of the weight ends up on those corners. My stand was 3 levels and I got a new board for the top and painted it black to match the stand and put in in the place of the 48" wide shelf that used to be there, came out looking pretty good, putting a slight curve on front was a royal pain, had to rig a table extension on my router and make a jig from the middle board that had the same curve. (Still better than 600 bucks for a new stand.)

Board 5' and a couple of inches extra, painted and waiting.
Wife hasn't seen it yet? Well, if she wants a new stand! (I'm on Pension, she's now has a new Government Job. Will have to see where this goes?)
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I didn't do that but I will try it tonight and see if it helps. Thanks

That and 'screen fit' mode set on the TV should be all that's required.
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Board 5' and a couple of inches extra, painted and waiting.
Wife hasn't seen it yet? Well, if she wants a new stand! (I'm on Pension, she's now has a new Government Job. Will have to see where this goes?)

I should be ok, but as you can see from the attached picture 6" inches takes you past where the stand on the TV comes together under the TV. Those bars are really heavy so that is why I think it should be OK, it might be a little weaker for back and forth action but hopefully the tv sees very little in its lfe.

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Wife is Iffy - if it's required, she'll live with it. I also see about Mid point and for about half the length of the set mid point, the stand flares to about 13" Current board is 7", so will fill in with 2 front and back pieces for the flare. From the looks of your picture, the weight is right on the end, or am I seeing wrong?
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Wife is Iffy - if it's required, she'll live with it. I also see about Mid point and for about half the length of the set mid point, the stand flares to about 13" Current board is 7", so will fill in with 2 front and back pieces for the flare. From the looks of your picture, the weight is right on the end, or am I seeing wrong?

You saw it right, the weight is actually on the last 4" on each side, after that you can slip a piece of paper under the stand and slid it to the other side under the TV and stand (eexcept where there is a little rubber pad in the middle of the curved stand bar.

The front and back curved stand bars are 12 1/4" front to back in the center of the TV, There are thin rubber pads stuck on the stand bars at 8.5" from each end and dead center otherwise the stand bars do not touch the top it is resting on. The end 4" clearly carries the bulk of the weight, the stand bar is more to keep it from tipping over so the pads have very little pressure on them, it was very easy to slide a business card under the center pad and a little more effort on the left and right pads, but impossible under the ends. (See picture)


Edited by CamaroDrvr - 11/12/13 at 10:17pm
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So has anyone else seen the ghosting of a bright upper part of the screen flash into a dark lower part of the screen, my F8500 has been doing this on cable and Blu-ray's, and the more setting that are turned to on or auto the worse it gets. ?
post #9319 of 11445
This sounds like something I saw on my first set. With black optimizer off it did not happen. I was able to get a picture of it. I ended up sending the set back for a new one which has never had the issue.


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Originally Posted by CamaroDrvr View Post

You saw it right, the weight is actually on the last 4" on each side, after that you can slip a piece of paper under the stand and slid it to the other side under the TV and stand (eexcept where there is a little rubber pad in the middle of the curved stand bar.

The front and back curved stand bars are 12 1/4" front to back in the center of the TV, There are thin rubber pads stuck on the stand bars at 8.5" from each end and dead center otherwise the stand bars do not touch the top it is resting on. The end 4" clearly carries the bulk of the weight, the stand bar is more to keep it from tipping over so the pads have very little pressure on them, it was very easy to slide a business card under the center pad and a little more effort on the left and right pads, but impossible under the ends. (See picture)


Thanks - board is 5' 2" long, with an overhang of 6 and 7/8" each end - 2 additional boards flanking front and back mid point giving 18" - should more than do.
Samsung will be fed from an iScan Duo.
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Originally Posted by PTO View Post

This sounds like something I saw on my first set. With black optimizer off it did not happen. I was able to get a picture of it. I ended up sending the set back for a new one which has never had the issue.



That's exactly what it does, so I will be packing this up and changing it for a new one. ASAP
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Originally Posted by Techaholic View Post

That's exactly what it does, so I will be packing this up and changing it for a new one. ASAP

If you call Samsung they will tell you not to use black optimizer! Hepfull, not! I also did a full reset and that did not help.
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I would be thrilled to see a Samsung plasma that could match the ZT60 in black levels while retaining the F8500's brightness. That's all I could ever ask for in a plasma.
I would be happy if they just re badge these current models for the next two years. We need plasma options for at least 2 years, 3-4 years would be perfect.
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I would be thrilled to see a Samsung plasma that could match the ZT60 in black levels while retaining the F8500's brightness. That's all I could ever ask for in a plasma.
I would be happy if they just re badge these current models for the next two years. We need plasma options for at least 2 years, 3-4 years would be perfect.
Oh my goodness yes!

That's what I was hoping that Panasonic would be able to do.
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I would be thrilled to see a Samsung plasma that could match the ZT60 in black levels while retaining the F8500's brightness. That's all I could ever ask for in a plasma.
I would be happy if they just re badge these current models for the next two years. We need plasma options for at least 2 years, 3-4 years would be perfect.
Oh my goodness yes!

That's what I was hoping that Panasonic would be able to do.

During the live webcast of the 2013 Value Shootout (don't know if it made it to the video), while discussing the Evo Kits, the Samsung engineers mentioned that the F8500 plasma models were the second year of a four year development cycle. I took that to mean that they had plans for what improvements would be added in the 2014 and 2015 models. Of course, the engineers make plans but they don't decide if the TVs will be built.
Edited by JRWalker - 11/14/13 at 7:36am
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During the 2013 live Value Shootout (don't know if it made it to the video), while discussing the Evo Kits, the Samsung engineers mentioned that the F8500 plasma models were the second year of a four year development cycle. I took that to mean that they had plans for what improvements would be added in the 2014 and 2015 models. Of course, the engineers make plans but they don't decided if the TVs will be built.

Let's hope so. Any kind of improvement on the black levels would make it a worthwhile purchase.
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I just got my 8500 yesterday. The blacks are really all I could ever want. This picture is way better than my 4-5 year old Kuro 950
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Not familiar with that model. Is it EU? If not, it must be an 8th generation Kuro. There's always room for better blacks, even on the darkest Kuros (and the nearly as dark ZT60s). wink.gif
post #9329 of 11445
Note: When you get your set and look at the Panel, it's a very dark grey. As the panel ages it gets Blacker.
My PN64F8500 will be delivered Saturday morning.
On recalibrating my 3 year old LG 55LHX last night with the New Calman 5.2.0a, the reading confirms what I thought I was seeing, Blacker Blacks. Previously, Black was about one inch from the Square Box in the Center; last night only a half inch confirming what I thought I was seeing. So, I'm going to assume on the new Plasma, the same will happen. It gets better as it gets older
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I'm having a 60" F8500 delivered tomorrow as an exchange from Samsung for my DLP that was part of the capacitor settlement (best deal ever, thanks Samsung). Should I not upgrade it to the latest firmware due to the picture quality complaints? Anything else I should check before the delivery guys make me sign off on it?
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