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post #9931 of 11459
[Reposted from a very small "buzzing" topic other thread]

I wonder what the buzzing is doing to the sound field in the room??

I think it is logical to assume it would be messing with the sound field that was set up using SPL, YPAO or Audyssy

61/81+db at the screen down to 41+db 11/12ft away IMHO might be capable of doing just that?

Therefore, redoing the sound calibrations with the set on would be warranted confused.gif
post #9932 of 11459
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Originally Posted by alettiere View Post

I also forgot to ask:

Is there a preferred mode you guys are using for games? In the past, I've always just used whatever mode I use for movies (i.e. Cinema, THX) and may beef up the brightness a tad). From what I read, it sounds like Movie mode is not ideal for games due to lag issues. But then I'm hearing other reports that the lag issues have pretty much been cleared up through firmware. I only play WiiU.

I game regularly on my F8500 but since I've only had it for about a month I can't really compare the display lag performance between various updates. What I do know is that with FW 1117 installed and the TV still in "movie" mode I can game just fine in a FPS like Killzone:Shadow Fall without any significant concerns. However if I need more rapid visual feedback, for example when playing Zen Pinball 2 or SF online, then I simply relabel the video input "Game" and then turn on "Game Mode" from the System --> General menu.

Make sure you are on a recent FW update (either 1116 or 1117 from what I've read) and give it a shot in your preferred default display mode. I bet you are pleased with the results smile.gif
post #9933 of 11459
i've yet to see any change in input lag from fw updates.

i don't notice the lag while gaming though, i notice it while moving the cursor around on my HTPC. VERY noticeable.

set the input to 'game' by changing the input name, then turn on game mode in the settings. calibrate to your preference. doing this brings the input lag down to 'normal' levels, and still allows you to have a stunning picture.
post #9934 of 11459
Yea, switching game mode ON under general, puts it in normal picture mode. I managed to get it to lock up a couple of times. So, it is a tradeoff of lag v accuracy. Will have to do a full calibration to see how accurate the picture can be with just basic controls and a 2pt w/b. It will be interesting to see if it can get close to D65 CCT.
post #9935 of 11459
^ Here's the kicker - for gaming, do you really want to be D65? How about when you're RGB full? What gamma do you go for?

*head SPLODE!*
post #9936 of 11459
UnEven wear!? I thought the screen protection of the light gray bars are supposed to keep this more equal?
post #9937 of 11459
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Originally Posted by afviolettes View Post


This is the same exact problem I was having with my Wii and Xbox 1 - what hdmi input were you using ? This only occured for me when using HDMI 3 - the ARC input .... I think it has something to do with that... I returned the TV and the new one does the exact same, I'm thinking its more of a firmware issue than anything else ... Inputs 1, 2, 4 don't have the same issue.

Hey are you guys getting a "screen tear"??? I am gaming on ps3 and  ps4 and every so often horizontal line all the way across the screen that slowly moves up and down and then disappears, sucks!!   I renamed hdmi input to game and in game mode......any other suggestions besides another tv for gaming?

post #9938 of 11459
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so you bought a Samsung plasma! smile.gif
how is the blacks compared to the Kuro?

compared to your Kuro with ABL at 230 how do you describe the ABL dimming on the f8500?

some comparison pictures maybe smile.gif?

 

 

This is kind of confusing because there are actually two threads devoted to F8500 owners.  A lot of what has already been reported has been posted there.

 

Listen....this is kind of a dangerous topic to discuss because if there are any ZT60 owners reading this thread, someone is going to get highly offended and begin arguing against what I am going to tell you.

 

With that in mind, let me say that I owned a ZT60 and traded it in for a 64F8500.  I found the ZT60 to be too dim.

 

I don't own a Kuro.  However, comparing the black levels against the ZT60, I find them to be exactly the same on the F8500.

 

Now, here is where people are going to start going nutty...

 

Technically, measurements have shown a slight edge in black levels to the ZT60.  However, many have reported here that the measurements are so close that most people won't see a difference.

 

Some people have reported seeing a difference, giving an edge to the ZT60 in black levels.

 

However, no two people are going to see the same thing.  Everyone has a different perception when watching and hearing content from the same source.

 

See how I carefully explain that?  I need to, because there are going to be brand fanboys from both sides of the fence that defend their display to no end.

 

I am telling you as someone who has owned both a Panasonic ZT60 and a Samsung F8500 that the black levels are indistinguishable.

 

And, yes, the original poster's question was comparing black levels to the Kuro.  I can't answer that particular aspect of the question.  However, the Panasonic ZT60 has been compared to being as close in black to the Kuro.  So, for that reason, I am putting the F8500 up against the ZT60.  And for that, I am going to get grief, but I am reporting to you exactly what I am perceiving on this end.

 

Final recommendation is that both are great displays, but I give the edge to the Samsung F8500 for being brighter, sharper, having better whites and retaining very inky black levels.

post #9939 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post


Final recommendation is that both are great displays, but I give the edge to the Samsung F8500 for being brighter, sharper, having better whites and retaining very inky black levels.
And what about the 3D....?

By the way, did you check the output resolution setting on your Oppo?
post #9940 of 11459
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And what about the 3D....?

 

3D is vastly superior on the Samsung F8500.  Night and Day.  The ZT60 wasn't pushing enough luminance for me to see details in picture when donning eyewear that dimmed the display further.  The F8500, with its increased brightness, shows an incredible 3D picture with more pronounced pop-out and no crosstalk.  I wasn't seeing crosstalk on the ZT60.

 

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By the way, did you check the output resolution setting on your Oppo?

 

Yes. Same as what you sent me.  Some menu settings were not there as I believe you have a different model.

 

However, I posted somewhere on this forum a reply from Oppo support stating that they can't do anything about the handshake issues.

post #9941 of 11459
Good point, it's not video.

Here's wiki: (it must be true):

Unlike most other RGB color spaces, the sRGB gamma cannot be expressed as a single numerical value. The overall gamma is approximately 2.2, consisting of a linear (gamma 1.0) section near black, and a non-linear section elsewhere involving a 2.4 exponent and a gamma (slope of log output versus log input) changing from 1.0 through about 2.3. (Sounds like we are in the BT1886 gamma curve arena). As far as RGB full or otherwise, it really depends on the signal chain. Maybe you can do it and match the other components, then again maybe not. It seems to be dependent on how the display sees the signal, then how to manage it backwards to get the result.

According to Wiki:

The sRGB specification assumes a dimly lit encoding (creation) environment with an ambient correlated color temperature (CCT) of 5000 K. It is interesting to note that this differs from the CCT of the illuminant (D65). Using D50 for both would have made the white point of most photographic paper appear excessively blue.[5] The other parameters, such as the luminance level, are representative of a typical CRT monitor.

So, it would seem D65 illuminant, but assumes the room is D50. Guess we need some input from the masses.... I'm beyond my security level now... lol
Edited by tbaudoin - 1/15/14 at 6:34am
post #9942 of 11459
^ I'm quite happy with auto for colorspace and 10 point off. I use the same 2 point from my movie cal and eyeball brightness and contrast with S&M2. Cell 7 (game/standard mode). RGB full.
post #9943 of 11459
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alettiere View Post

I was initially going to wait and see what Samsung delivered at CES since my budget is pretty high, but since we won't know what they're doing until the middle of the year, I'm hoping to stick with the 8500 for my living room and then keep an eye on their new sets for when I shop for my bedroom set next summer smile.gif
Being at CES I think you made a good choice.
post #9944 of 11459
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Originally Posted by tbaudoin View Post

Yea, switching game mode ON under general, puts it in normal picture mode. I managed to get it to lock up a couple of times. So, it is a tradeoff of lag v accuracy. Will have to do a full calibration to see how accurate the picture can be with just basic controls and a 2pt w/b. It will be interesting to see if it can get close to D65 CCT.

just remember, the f8500 in game mode is still a better picture than all but maybe 6 tv's currently on the market. it's not THAT much of a compromise really... wink.gif
post #9945 of 11459
My apologies if this has been asked before but is there a way to make the TV to auto switch from External speaker to TV speaker when the external speaker is not powered on? Thank you.
post #9946 of 11459
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Originally Posted by rojkai View Post

My apologies if this has been asked before but is there a way to make the TV to auto switch from External speaker to TV speaker when the external speaker is not powered on? Thank you.

Leave it on TV speaker and use volume control
post #9947 of 11459
Here's an interesting link about lag.. search for a brand... Somebody's doing some testing. I'm sure there's more.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list
post #9948 of 11459
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Originally Posted by tbaudoin View Post

Here's an interesting link about lag.. search for a brand... Somebody's doing some testing. I'm sure there's more.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list

Yup good resource. However in regards to the F8500 specifically those posted results using the "PC trick" were from months ago, looking at the blog update list it was back in June, so IF the reports are true that Sammy improved the DL in a more recent update (1115 if I remember correctly) that database entry is now out of date.
post #9949 of 11459
^ Game mode used to be really bad when the TV first came out so the rename to PC mode was the best method for lag at the time.
Thankfully game mode is far superior now, and allows for more adjustment of the picture.
post #9950 of 11459
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

^ Game mode used to be really bad when the TV first came out so the rename to PC mode was the best method for lag at the time.
Thankfully game mode is far superior now, and allows for more adjustment of the picture.

Understood and agreed. I just want to make sure anyone using that site as a reference resource understands that the tested DL values are effectively old. I've already requested the site owner to re-test the F8500 using the improved game mode so we could have a true comparison but that was over a week ago and I haven't heard anything back.

I suppose the proof is in the pudding, but it would still be nice to know the specific measurable improvement.
post #9951 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein View Post


With that in mind, let me say that I owned a ZT60 and traded it in for a 64F8500.  I found the ZT60 to be too dim.

I don't own a Kuro.  However, comparing the black levels against the ZT60, I find them to be exactly the same on the F8500.

A bold statement, my friend - but one that has me curious. What is your typical viewing environment? I'd imagine that in a moderately lit room, any black-level differences between the VT/ZT and 8500 are probably indistinguishable. I'm guessing that if you found the ZT to be too dim, you probably aren't a dark room viewer typically?
post #9952 of 11459
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Originally Posted by rojkai View Post

My apologies if this has been asked before but is there a way to make the TV to auto switch from External speaker to TV speaker when the external speaker is not powered on? Thank you.

I have a Samsung soundbar. If I leave the soundbar off, the TV speakers kick in automatically at power on (same behavior during normal watching). I am connected through HDMI ARC.
post #9953 of 11459
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alettiere View Post

A bold statement, my friend - but one that has me curious.
Most "general" users can not see a difference. Its true. Nothing wrong with that either.......
post #9954 of 11459
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A bold statement, my friend - but one that has me curious. What is your typical viewing environment? I'd imagine that in a moderately lit room, any black-level differences between the VT/ZT and 8500 are probably indistinguishable. I'm guessing that if you found the ZT to be too dim, you probably aren't a dark room viewer typically?

 

A bold statement indeed.  Seems to offend people when I say it.

 

...but it's true.  I find the black levels on the F8500 just as deep as the ZT60.

 

As has been stated here over and over again -- even in the post above -- the measurements are so close that most users cannot see a difference.

 

Of course, there are some that say that they can.  That's fine.  It's an issue of perception.

 

I am watching my display in a totally darkened environment.

 

The F8500 is an awesome display.  Exceptional picture.

post #9955 of 11459
Ronald Epstein, I mis-posted when I said that my 8500 does not display the drop down menu with my PS3 when there is a resolution change. It does. I guess I wasn't bothered by it as you apparently are, as the menu goes away within 5 seconds. And I concur; this is a fabulous display.
post #9956 of 11459
When you own it, it's always the Best! If you don't own it, and trying to decide, it's confusing. Once stock of Panasonics run out, no longer confusing!
post #9957 of 11459
ok ,My vt60 went bad and magnolia is replaceing it 1) i have option of upgrade to a ZT cause there is no more VT's Or i can get F8500...i know Blacks i will or may not notice the difference,But what else? 2) Is there a link to settings to do for slides to age panel fast so before inventory is out in my area,I did d-nice slides on vt60 so want to do same on sammy . if i do not decide to get ZT....smile.gif
Edited by Denniswrly - 1/16/14 at 3:31pm
post #9958 of 11459
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

ok ,My vt60 went bad and magnolia is replaceing it 1) i have option of upgrade to a ZT cause there is no more VT Or F8500...i know Blacks i will or may not notice the difference,But what else? 2) Is there a link to settings to do for slides to age panel fast so before inventory is out in my area,I did d-nice slides on vt60 so want to do same on sammy . if i do not decide to get ZT....smile.gif

That's scary! No more F8500s - thought production was continuing on into 2014?
post #9959 of 11459
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

That's scary! No more F8500s - thought production was continuing on into 2014?
Sorry no more VT"s 40 sammyz left in my area..edited orignal post sorry hope it is seen with correction..
post #9960 of 11459
ok ,My vt60 went bad and magnolia is replaceing it 1) i have option of upgrade to a ZT cause there is no more VT's Or i can get F8500...i know Blacks i will or may not notice the difference,But what else? 2) Is there a link to settings to do for slides to age panel fast so before inventory is out in my area,I did d-nice slides on vt60 so want to do same on sammy . if i do not decide to get ZT...
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