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post #121 of 165
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

I don't get how anyone could use The Matrix and The Hobbit in the same conversation let alone using them as a comparison.

Al

Just a comparison of what some find a good movie...although they're somewhat from a similar genre. I don't get how you don't get it wink.gif
post #122 of 165
Toe,

That video was great! I wondered why the eagles didn't fly Frodo the Mordor and he could have dropped the ring in on a fly over...the movie could have been over in under an hour smile.gif
post #123 of 165
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

Toe,

That video was great! I wondered why the eagles didn't fly Frodo the Mordor and he could have dropped the ring in on a fly over...the movie could have been over in under an hour smile.gif

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Glad you liked it Dave and excellent point. I have heard rumors that WB will also have the Fly by Night version of The Hobbit on sale this Dec. The FBN edition is for those that dont want the EE and are not interested in the other two films all that much and it cuts out two hours of bloat (and the other two films) as the eagles fly the crew all the way to their destination........and kill a dragon on the way. I might be able to stay awake for that version! biggrin.gif
post #124 of 165
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

I wondered why the eagles didn't fly Frodo the Mordor and he could have dropped the ring in on a fly over...the movie could have been over in under an hour smile.gif

The problem being that the movies don't (or at least haven't yet) explained whom the Eagles really serve, which would explain why they aren't available for every "little" crisis in ME. ... IIRC, you have to dive deep into the Simarillion for that info.

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post #125 of 165
great review! Still not seen this but definitely going to check it out! smile.gif

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post #126 of 165
Im not one for 3D, but after seeing this in IMAX 3D I was quite impressed. I was even more impressed when I saw how great the Blu Ray looked, as I didn't expect such vivid imagery on a consumer level screen.
post #127 of 165
I enjoyed the film and am looking forward to more.

Since I used "enjoy", I'll mention that "entertainment" (the action of providing or being provided with amusement or enjoyment) and "enjoyment" (the state or process of taking pleasure in something) are different things, though they're often used indiscriminately here and elsewhere.

The Matrix trilogy was generally a lot of entertainment for me with the bombastic razzle-dazzle of its visual and auditory delights. Unfortunately, its enjoyment quotient fell to nearly zero for me in the second and third installments as the narrative lost focus, the plot lost purpose, and the characters devolved into caricatures.

OTOH The Lord of the Rings has clear narrative, clear purpose, and protean characters. It provides a lot of enjoyment because of that, and it has lots of entertainment value, too. The LOTR trilogy could have been even longer if more of the narrative elements of the original story were included, but it gets the job done as it is, though I would have been fine with even more attention to narrative and character development.

The Hobbit seems to be taking a much longer look at narrative and character development. While the obvious action of the plot (to get rid of the dragon) is important, the story's real center is to take Bilbo on a journey of the soul so that his character can set the stage for Frodo's journey in LOTR. I find this brings a lot of enjoyment to the film.

Sure, there could be more entertainment value, but I don't need to be entertained all the time as long as I'm gathering enjoyment from my willing suspension of disbelief. Tolkein was a good storyteller who could knit some moralistic and proselytizing material together into a simple plot with effect, but his greatest strengths were narrative and character development. I believe that Jackson is deepening the commitment to narrative and character in the Hobbit, and IMO it's okay to play with the storyline a bit to do that. That he does so in a great looking and fine sounding movie is a bonus.
post #128 of 165
Nice post, filecat! I agree 100%.
post #129 of 165
For anyone interested in The Hobbit low end debate, some graphs have been posted. As many of us suspected, this track has been SEVERELY filtered below ~50hz (!?!?) frown.gif

Check out post 7478 in the thread below..........


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/7470#post_23161183




Talk about horrible extension and this would back up many of our subjective experiences on this track. Without question one of the biggest LFE disappointments on blu ray.
Edited by Toe - 4/3/13 at 4:21pm
post #130 of 165
WOW..nicely said.
post #131 of 165
Why in the hell do they filter out the LFE like that?
post #132 of 165
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

For anyone interested in The Hobbit low end debate, some graphs have been posted. As many of us suspected, this track has been SEVERELY filtered below ~50hz (!?!?) frown.gif

Check out post 7478 in the thread below..........


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/7470#post_23161183




Talk about horrible extension and this would back up many of our subjective experiences on this track. Without question one of the biggest LFE disappointments on blu ray.

Greetings,

Thanks for sharing this Todd...

Regards,
post #133 of 165
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

Thanks for sharing this Todd...

Regards,

You bet! smile.gif

I would be curious to hear an insider perspective on why the track was filtered like this. I dont know much about audio mixing, but my guess is this was created for commercial venues with the filtering for whatever reason and was simply ported over to blu ray as is, but I am speculating. Any thoughts? It just seems incredibly strange as well when all 3 LOTR films were pure and unfiltered. confused.gif
post #134 of 165
well don't forget about the subpar br transfers on the theatrical release, not to forget the unforgettable green tint on the extended brs.

don't know if its pj or the studios but as far as brs go, they have turned pure gold into a sow's ear.
post #135 of 165
Is there supposed to be a movie between this and Fellowship of the Ring?confused.gif
post #136 of 165
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Is there supposed to be a movie between this and Fellowship of the Ring?confused.gif

The Hobbit has two more releases to come, as it is a 3-part presentation of the book. There is a book available,The Silmarillion, that can fill in some of the gaps (between The Hobbit and LOTR), though.
post #137 of 165
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

The Hobbit has two more releases to come, as it is a 3-part presentation of the book. There is a book available,The Silmarillion, that can fill in some of the gaps (between The Hobbit and LOTR), though.

Thanks as I did not know. But, after seeing the Hobbit, I felt there was a hugh gap between the end of the movie and the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring. Now, I know the reason.
post #138 of 165
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Thanks as I did not know. But, after seeing the Hobbit, I felt there was a hugh gap between the end of the movie and the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring. Now, I know the reason.

You do realise that at the very start of the hobbit with the scene Frodo is in, that that is the point where the first LOTR's starts, and that the actual journey that Bilbo embarks on in the hobbit is set 60 yrs before that scene with Frodo?
post #139 of 165
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Just goes to show you about our individual tastes. The Matrix movies I never bothered with more than twice each because they're so horrible....some of the worst excuses for science fiction and then there's Keanu Reeves and what he calls acting....altho some of the effects and visuals looked pretty good. Virtual beings fighting it out with martial arts and guns? That's just mind deadening. eek.gif

I hate to be off topic but when I read this I couldn't resist.

I concur 100%. The entire series is so awful I think it's the most popular/generally well-received trio of ANYTHING I despise so much.

I did snag the Hobbit off c-list brandy-new for $10 so I'll be checking that out whenever I have 180 minutes in a row to slay.
James
post #140 of 165
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

I don't get how anyone could use The Matrix and The Hobbit in the same conversation let alone using them as a comparison.

Al

That seems to be a common "critique of a critique" of yours (see the Zero Dark Thirty thread).

I can give you a start: they're both fantasy/action/adventure movies that rely heavily on special audio and video effects to deliver a story.

Sounds like an excellent jumping off point to me.
post #141 of 165
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

For anyone interested in The Hobbit low end debate, some graphs have been posted. As many of us suspected, this track has been SEVERELY filtered below ~50hz (!?!?) frown.gif

Check out post 7478 in the thread below..........


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/7470#post_23161183




Talk about horrible extension and this would back up many of our subjective experiences on this track. Without question one of the biggest LFE disappointments on blu ray.

As I mentioned in the thread, how does anyone know if anything has been filtered without knowing what the original master entails or or at least until someone intimately linked to it speaks to such a reality?

I see the "filter card" getting thrown around ad nauseam when it comes to what kind of spectral response spaceships, gargoyle grunts, and fallen objects should have (according to johnny or bobby avs, anyway rolleyes.gif) and it just makes me chuckle. Suspicion is one thing, flat-out convictions without any evidence is another issue entirely.

James
post #142 of 165
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

That seems to be a common "critique of a critique" of yours (see the Zero Dark Thirty thread).

I can give you a start: they're both fantasy/action/adventure movies that rely heavily on special audio and video effects to deliver a story.

Sounds like an excellent jumping off point to me.

I have no idea what you mean about what I posted in the Zero Dark Thirty thread. It may be my reply to a post concerning how entertaining that movie was compared to Hurt Locker but that has nothing to do with what I posted here.

Your last post in this thread is very interesting ("filter card") and is something that has been on my mind for awhile now but I've hesitated to bring up because of my lack of knowledge on how these soundtracks are mixed.

Al
post #143 of 165
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

As I mentioned in the thread, how does anyone know if anything has been filtered without knowing what the original master entails or or at least until someone intimately linked to it speaks to such a reality?

I see the "filter card" getting thrown around ad nauseam when it comes to what kind of spectral response spaceships, gargoyle grunts, and fallen objects should have (according to johnny or bobby avs, anyway rolleyes.gif) and it just makes me chuckle. Suspicion is one thing, flat-out convictions without any evidence is another issue entirely.

James



Could be filtering, could be a missing LFE channel, could be.....? The point James is that there is clearly something lacking with The Hobbit low end looking at the graphs (or to anyone with a decent enough system and ear for this type of thing..........I could tell almost immediately watching the movie right from the Dragon attack that something was lacking/off with the low end which the graphs simply confirmed). The track universally looks to brick wall around 40hz which is VERY odd, especially for a 2013 mix unless it has been filtered, missing LFE channel, or something else. So yeah, we don't know exactly why the track is so lacking in extension right now and if this is somehow intentional it would be interesting to know why as even the much older LOTR mixes have no such issue not to mention countless other films at this point.

I noticed you made a post in the bass thread as well so I am sure you noticed FilmMixers comment that he suspects the LFE channel might be missing, but he is not sure yet either. He is obviously doing some research going off that post and considering he most likely does have the connections to talk to someone "intimately linked" to the project as you say, it will be interesting to see what he finds out. smile.gif
post #144 of 165
Yikes,

I am surprised people are complaining about this being too long.
I watched it at a MIDNIGHT showing on opening night and managed to stay awake and enjoy it. (I was hurting there for a bit though).

I am very happy to have them do an exhaustive tribute to the series in these last two films. They are truely wonderful.

I am bummed that I didn't get to see the 48fps 3D version in IMAX.
post #145 of 165
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Originally Posted by crazy4daisy View Post

You do realise that at the very start of the hobbit with the scene Frodo is in, that that is the point where the first LOTR's starts, and that the actual journey that Bilbo embarks on in the hobbit is set 60 yrs before that scene with Frodo?

Nope! I guess I need to revisit this film.
post #146 of 165
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Originally Posted by stickboy2k View Post

Yikes,

I am surprised people are complaining about this being too long.

Well it took me ~3.5Hrs to read through the actual book up to the point the movie ends ... but I wasn't really trying to set any speed reading records. smile.gif

The good news is that most of the movie's embellishments aren't nearly as jarring as those taken in the LOTR trilogy (particularly TTT.)
post #147 of 165
I just watched the Hobbit this afternoon. I'm a huge fan of the original trilogy and the books, so I really looked forward to watching this. I hate to say it, but I was a bit disappointed and bored. The story just seemed to drag on and the character development was a bit lacking. I felt like the entire film was missing that something special, that made the LOTR trilogy what it was.
post #148 of 165
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Originally Posted by dharel View Post

The story just seemed to drag on and the character development was a bit lacking.

You say you've read the book? Have you done so recently? I ask because I can think of at least several "character development" scenes where the movie goes (well) above and beyond what's in the book, while practically inventing whole new characters in the process. smile.gif
post #149 of 165
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

You say you've read the book? Have you done so recently?

I have. I guess we'll just agree to disagree. biggrin.gif
post #150 of 165
Definitely worth a rent in the least, but I wish I had been more aware beforehand and not rented on a weeknight and had to attempt squeezing the nearly 3 hour movie in after work. It left me guessing that movie execs probably think in these terms when it comes to rentals too and that’s the first time I’ve ever even thought about it from that perspective.

My impression was that you really need to be tuned into this story to probably get the most out of this; read the books, etc. I think I’ve seen a few of the LOTR movies, but I’m not tuned into it enough to probably have gotten the most out of it. I’m sure for those who are – this was pretty epic.

Regardless, it was entertaining – worth way more than the $1.50 Redbox rental price tag. This movie was featured heavily in the HDVideoPro magazine – so, I was looking forward to seeing it. I hated missing it in the theater to see the 48fps, but frankly don’t know if it was shown here in 48fps or not even as I am only now seeing that it may or may not have been.

I know they shot this in New Zealand and featured some of the breathtaking scenery, but there was so much CG it might have detracted from that in not knowing if it was real scenery or computer generated. I’m not sure if that is a valid critique really. If you can’t tell the difference then maybe there is nothing to be critical of.

Overall though – the imagery and sound was superb. Immersive, etc. Glad I finally got to see it for myself.
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