Netflix Plans to Stream 4K Within Two Years - Page 3

Who is your ISP? Just because Netflix says available in Super HD does not mean your ISP is part of the Netflix OCN and will actually stream in Super HD. If your ISP is not supported you will still see their regular old HD.

Yes I see it now. I tried to avoid doing the movie on a server or in the cloud thing. What was I thinking, for regular DVD movies this is just fine. For others I want the Blu-ray Disc, but the convenience is nice. Thanks.
Edited by comfynumb - 3/19/13 at 9:05pm

Remember that H.265 will be available pretty soon, which will i believe be twice as efficient as H.264. Also, 4k streams definitely do NOT have to be anywhere near 100 mbps, especially with H.265. I really look forward to this as I'm just itching for a service to utilize the full potential of my 30 mbps FiOS connection.

On another note, is "SuperHD" better or worse than Vudu HDX? Apparently my ISP provides it, but I don't have Netflix because I am unimpressed by its selection.

Sony is not the inventor of 4K. NHK is the inventor of HD, 4K and 8K.

Rogers and they are compatible with SuperHD. If the ISP is not part of Netflix OCN, the same movie will be shown on the descriptor as HD and not SuperHD.

No it will not. The descriptor will still say Super HD, but not stream it. My ISP is Comcast and they are not OCN compliant, yet all of the movie descriptions still state Super HD. And do not try to tell me Comcast is OCN compliant.

Do me a favor and go to https://signup.netflix.com/superhd and it will tell you if your ISP is compliant. Mine says "Your Internet Provider is not configured for Super HD yet" in red text despite the descriptors stating Super HD on my PN64E7000.
Edited by Icon13 - 3/19/13 at 10:04pm

"Your Internet Provider is not configured for Super HD yet."
That is what I get when I click the Netflix Super HD link and my ISP is Comcast who is the largest ISP in the US. So if Comcast is not ready to stream 1080p then forget about 4K from them.

That's not true. Using AppleTV 3rd gen i tested Rogers and Comwave. When I link my ATV to Rogers, the same movies (I tested The Raven and The Tall Man) shows SuperHD logo but when connected to Comwave the same movies shows HD logo.

The only reason I tried Comwave is because I have unlimited bandwidth and Rogers I only have 60 Gb cap. (I subacribe to Comwave for business phone and internet, Rogers for personal phone and internet; I work from home)

Dude, chill! I'm worried we're gonna loose you to a stroke or something. ^_^

Let me expound on what I meant then.

"I don't get the hate"

When I say THAT, I mean THIS = I don't understand why people seem to show such strong trepidation towards the idea of introducing this new streaming tier. Hate, in this circumstance alludes to the fact that people seem to (by way of their attitudes when posting on the subject) seem genuinely annoyed.

And I specifically said that the codec they upgrade to is potentially JUST AS USEFUL as the extra resolution they would push. So you'd see advantages from it, even if a person downscaled it to their TV. And at the very least, YES, I would find a way to downscale the signals if I had not yet purchased the TV. So please, stop using the need of a new TV as the only reason to justify the service as too much too soon.

We good now? :-)
Edited by chirpie - 3/20/13 at 7:27am

I seriously doubt Comcast will exclude themselves from the 4K thing. I would think all the main companies have to get on board, because it looks like this is going to happen. Faster speeds are already available, for a price. But I see prices falling already as more companies are coming into play. I hear a lot of people dog Comcast, but in my 4 years with them they've never failed to produce what they promised. My speeds are consistently 24 Mbps, maybe not enough to stream 4K effectively, but if I eventually feel that I can't live without it I'm sure I'll get offered a decent rate. I'm talking when a 4K TV's price falls below what I can buy a decent car for

Ok, so even if a customer is one of the few in the US to have 100 or 105Mbps download speeds, what happens when you have two rooms where 4K is being streamed? Wife upstairs in bedroom, I in my man cave, and then the kids with their "regular" HD tvs streaming through their devices. Not to mention if anyone may be downloading a game off Steam in the background (me, my wife, one son), downloading/updating on Playstation Network (wife and another son)....you get my drift. If 4K alone is going to eat up all that bandwidth, what is everyone else in the house supposed to do while I (one day hopefully) watch The Hobbit and all 3 Lord of the Rings movies super mega extended editions back to back one Saturday when I have nothing else to do?

That's happening in my house now, (minus the wife) my son is playing ps3 online, I'm streaming music or a movie, our laptops, tablets and phones are all connected at the same time. Granted it isn't 4K content but proportionately it's basically the same thing. I was having a problem, my older Comcast modem was clogging things up. They sent me a new one and it was like someone flipped a switch and speeds were really good. Their tech support also hinted the new modem was future upgrade ready. 100 or 105 Mbps is nothing, some are offering 300 Mbps. I'm not sure what other areas of the worlds speeds are, but I've seen graphs that show the US is not in the lead when it comes to Internet speed.

It's kind of funny, but I live in Olathe, KS, and this was just announced.

http://business.time.com/2013/03/20/google-fiber-expanding-superfast-internet-service-to-olathe-kansas/

So I'm set. :-P

Wow, a gigabit/second, that's beyond fast. I don't even know good had Internet service. It's looks pretty pricey, but I knew it wouldn't be cheap.

Are you just affraid of being wrong? If not, go to the test page and tell us your results. It is possible the descriptor is dependent on the bandwith. You will still not stream Super HD if your ISP is not part of OCN, and that is according to NF.

My ISP is Comcast > Descriptor says Super HD > Test page says my ISP is not compliant > For this same reason 3d titles do not stream in SBS, but rather 2d > OCN is necessary for both SHD & 3d

Does your Rogers connection stream 3d titles in SBS? If not, you are not seeing SHD either.
Edited by Icon13 - 3/20/13 at 1:37pm

Really, though, it's not. You get all your cable channels, dvr boxes, AND the super fast internet speed all for $120. Even if I paid $70 for the internet only, that's SAME amount I'm paying right now for internet only. So I have nowhere to go but UP. For the record, my current speeds aren't BAD, (30 Mbit/Sec in most cases) so it's not like I'm hurting in the meantime.

Plus. Surewest has already laid Fiber in Olathe as well. So I'm curious to see where this goes from here.

:-)

I must not have read it correctly. I would go for that in a heartbeat. Your speeds are very good, a lot of people would love to have 30 Mbps. Like you said, we will have to see where this is going, but it certainly appears this is at least partially due to 4K down the road. How things have changed in the last few years, it wasn't long ago cable companies were worried about having enough bandwidth for 3D. Good post, thanks

Why do all the links to Netflix Super HD lead to a truck repair manual?

I think it's more that they don't have a deal with netflix, not that they aren't ready.

Netflix cant even get closed captioning going which I find more important to the hearing impaired community then having 4k. I myself am not hearing impaired but know a few people that are, and its insulting that youtube can do it without even any major effort, while this company still cant. Its been promising closed captioning for at least 4 years now, and finally is saying 2014 which is still not a hard coded date. It was enough for me to cancel my subscription, and also the whole price change fiasco last year helped contribute to me cancelling my subscription. I know some of you guys might find it weird but after being friends/having family with hearing issues and getting used to seeing close captioning on everything you watch its just weird not seeing it. Also when they would come over we could not watch anything from netflix, cause I would never turn on a movie that only half the group could follow along with.

More languages would be welcome, even DVDs have more than one language. They would get a lot more customers doing that.

Regards

It sounds like Netflix needs to get with the program. I just recently started streaming movies, I guess I tried to avoid it and own everything I wanted on disc. But it's too the point where I can't deny the quality is getting closer. But Netflix has virtually no new releases and they have to fix other issues also. If they wait a couple of years and think that streaming 4K will save them, IMO they will have waited too long and more people will have abandoned ship. There's just too many good options. I tried Vudu and their service was very enjoyable, and the better stream was near blu-ray quality.

^^^But you have to rent each time you use VUDU. I personally love netflix and have found many hours of things that I put in my queue that I will probably never get to. I don't understand it when people say there is nothing to watch on there. Maybe those people don't like cool science/history/war/etc documentaries. There are also seasons upon seasons of quality shows. Netflix is more than just 'new releases' to me. To each his own I suppose.

According to Netflix, Rogers IS part of OCN. I don't see any title stated as 3D. Can you give me some examples please? I'm curious to test it.

Ps: the test page says "your internet provider is ready for super hd" when I use Rogers.

Pps: why should I afraid to be wrong? Especially after I've been proven right.

Yes Vudu is rent or buy your purchases. Your right and I should have added that for the money they charge Netflix isn't bad. They do have many older titles and good documentaries. I just don't see much their for me. I use my girlfriends acount at my house she likes it but did concede Vudu has it all over Netflix as far as quality goes and might not renew with them. I want the latest titles and a quality stream. For documentaries and older titles I'm not worried about HD, but at least make it an option for people with Comcast. We can agree on to each his own

The decision to withold SuperHD from Comcast subscribers is a Netflix decision not a Comcast decision.

Comcast subscribers can stream the old 4800 kbps 1080P streams and newer (supposedly equivalent quality) 3850 kbps 1080P streams - however Netflix is withholding the (supposedly) higher quality 5800 kps SuperHD from ISPs (like Comcast) who haven't signed up for Netflix's Open Connect.

The issue has been debated ad nauseam here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450510/netflix-adds-3d-and-super-hd

All apologies. Thank you for the results. Just had to make sure you were not withholding info to save face.

Oscar's Oasis 3d is a prime example of 3d. Now the question is; do you need OCN and a supported device, or will any 3d TV work that is networked through the OCN?

Ppps: Proving you were right after the fact does not conclude that you were not scared to check and provide us the info at the cost of being wrong initially