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post #211 of 361
I use the VP100 in my HT. Works just fine with no sound deficits on my listening couch that encompasses 10 degrees off axis. Being a WTW design, as expected there is slight high frequency roll off at 30 degrees off where my wife sits, but she never complains of not hearing dialogue. It is placed on my TV stand near the floor - far from ideal - & is tilted upwards at our heads. The shape of the cabinet makes this easy.

If I had the room, I'd go for the VP160 with its deeper bass response; however, I'm more than happy with the VP100 in my medium sized system.

TAM
post #212 of 361
Thread Starter 
There is an ongoing promotion right now. Take 5% off your purchase of any of these new products - or any product - at www.AxiomAudio.com, from now until August 31st, 2013.

Code is WHATSNEW
post #213 of 361
Darn, I hate to pass on a sale but I've got just about everything that I need now, ha!!

TAM
post #214 of 361
I got that email too, I was actually a little excited till I saw it was only 5%.
post #215 of 361
The last sale a couple of months ago, when I got my second EP400, was 20% off. It was so popular that the factory was having trouble keeping up with the orders.

Because of the change in sales tax rules at that time, I ended up saving over $300 total....

TAM
Edited by ex-labdriver - 7/26/13 at 4:30pm
post #216 of 361
Well it's always nice to save $300.
post #217 of 361
I have to chime in here. I have an office system which sounds great.

Front L/R, a pair of Michaura M665 towers. The Michauras were built by Axiom. They have a very solid hex shaped cabinet (beautiful glossy faux Rosewood finish) and the same drivers as the Axiom M60, 2 x 6" drivers, one 5.25" driver and a 0.75" titanium tweeter.

Center: Axiom VP 180.
Surrounds: Mission 77DS surround speakers.
Dahlquist PDQ 1500 subwoofer.
Integra DTC 9.4 surround processor
Anthem PVA 5 channel amplifier.

The sound quality is great. I figure the Michaura M665s sound pretty much the same as the Axiom M60s since they have pretty much the same speaker array.

I have a 2 channel system with a pair of Axiom M22 tis, Velodyne DSP subwoofer. Sounds great. Highs sparkle, clear and airy. Mids sound rich. Velodyne fills in the bass.

Great speakers.

I have a system with a pair of Thiel CS 3.6 towers, Axiom QS8 side surrounds and Michaura M55 back surrounds (same as the Axiom M22 pretty much), SVS tower sub, Onkyo TXNR 1007 receiver. Sounds great.

I have recommended Axiom speakers to friends and they are very happy with them. They are not deaf. They have heard quality systems.

Axioms provide great audio sound quality for the dollar value.

Trust your ears. Do not trust those who claim to know it all.
post #218 of 361
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Originally Posted by 2x6spds View Post


Trust your ears. Do not trust those who claim to know it all.

You mean real audio engineers and speaker designers who know about such things as (but not limited to) comb filtering?
post #219 of 361
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Originally Posted by bo130 View Post

You mean real audio engineers and speaker designers who know about such things as (but not limited to) comb filtering?[/quot


Yes. Real engineers like Floyd Toole who states that comb filtering is more a measurement artifact and not a performance issue in normal listening.
post #220 of 361
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Originally Posted by 2x6spds View Post

I have to chime in here. I have an office system which sounds great.

Front L/R, a pair of Michaura M665 towers. The Michauras were built by Axiom. They have a very solid hex shaped cabinet (beautiful glossy faux Rosewood finish) and the same drivers as the Axiom M60, 2 x 6" drivers, one 5.25" driver and a 0.75" titanium tweeter.

Center: Axiom VP 180.
Surrounds: Mission 77DS surround speakers.
Dahlquist PDQ 1500 subwoofer.
Integra DTC 9.4 surround processor
Anthem PVA 5 channel amplifier.

The sound quality is great. I figure the Michaura M665s sound pretty much the same as the Axiom M60s since they have pretty much the same speaker array.

I have a 2 channel system with a pair of Axiom M22 tis, Velodyne DSP subwoofer. Sounds great. Highs sparkle, clear and airy. Mids sound rich. Velodyne fills in the bass.

Great speakers.

I have a system with a pair of Thiel CS 3.6 towers, Axiom QS8 side surrounds and Michaura M55 back surrounds (same as the Axiom M22 pretty much), SVS tower sub, Onkyo TXNR 1007 receiver. Sounds great.

I have recommended Axiom speakers to friends and they are very happy with them. They are not deaf. They have heard quality systems.

Axioms provide great audio sound quality for the dollar value.

Trust your ears. Do not trust those who claim to know it all.

It really comes down to personal preference. I have heard the M80's and VP180 and at one point considered then. My buddy has the M80's in his theatre and they just didn't do it for me. I personally liked Studio 100's and CC690 centre over the Axiom mains and centre. But I prefer my JTR Noesis speakers over both of the other two. But again its just my personal preference. But I do really like my QS8's for surrounds.
post #221 of 361
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Originally Posted by bo130 View Post

You mean real audio engineers and speaker designers who know about such things as (but not limited to) comb filtering?

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Originally Posted by guard52 View Post

Yes. Real engineers like Floyd Toole who states that comb filtering is more a measurement artifact and not a performance issue in normal listening.

The starting point is with their findings as a large percentage of people will end their adjustments there. However, do not allow someone else's findings to tell you what you like and dislike...that is stupid. Only YOU can tell you what you like and dislike. For example, many people like to run their bass too hot. Since experts say you should not do that, should the people reduce their listening enjoyment because of that? No, only a fool would do that.
post #222 of 361
I went to the Newport Beach audio show a month or so ago. I listened to some magnificent speakers and systems, including Wilson, TAD, Sony, Mbl Radialstallers, Emeralds, Magicos, and some iconic brands which disappointed, like Harbeth. I've never listened to Axiom M80s, but I have listened to M60s, M50s, M3s, M2s, VP 180, VP150, and Axiom made Michaura M665s, M66s and M55s. I have a pair of Thiel CS3.6s, Dahlquist M909s and M905s (with upgraded cross-overs).

My favorite speakers of those I currently run? The Thiels, second, a tie between the Dahlquists and alll my Axioms, though they are different.

I am not an audio engineer. Perhaps bo130 is an audio engineer, though it may be presumed that not all audio engineers are good at what they do. I have no desire to get involved in any internecine disputes among audio engineers about arcane aspects of their craft.

I am a consumer and rely on my ears to inform me as to whether the audio engineers have done their job well.

I have had speakers which were disappointing, some JBL towers don't recall the model, some Klipsch Legend series speakers, some Infinity RS3s, a pair of Bose 301s. I have never visited a JBL, Klipsch or Infinity discussion to bad mouth those brands. If someone would say they love the sound of speakers I have owned and found wanting, I would not insult them. I would not disagree with them (though in the case of the Bose 301s, I might smirk to myself.)

Friends, we live in a golden age of audio. I have a $20 Sonic Impact T-Amp which is joke-good. I have solid state amps which are just great (Kenwood KA9100, Harman Kardon PM665, Anthem PV, Yamaha M80s [have 3 of them], Integra M504) I just listened to a pair of Andrew Jones bookshelf speakers I picked up for my assistant for a bit over $100 and they sound incredibly good.

Smell the roses! Reproduce music not discord! Enjoy the Music. Don't trust those who tell you they know it all and you don't, because they are only half correct.
Edited by 2x6spds - 7/27/13 at 9:17am
post #223 of 361
Well said 2X6...

TAM
post #224 of 361
Hey guys,

I am doing a relatively small dedicated theater (11 x 20), and am considering the following:

Center - VP 150 (best fit due to size constraints)
L&R - M80 (could also go with M60's)
Sub - EP 500
Surround - QS 8 x 4

The VP 150 is the best physical fit. Will my center be weak when paired with m80? Does this sound like a good fit for the room size?

Thanks,
Pat

P.S. - Just looked at the ohms for their centers and towers, do I need to match (m60 w/160, and m80 w/180)?
Edited by Pat in Az - 7/27/13 at 1:55pm
post #225 of 361
Hi Pat

I'm no expert, so take my advice with a grain or two.

If your amplifier/receiver is 4 ohm rated, it should have no problem driving the M80s and speakers with 6 ohm or 8 ohm ratings.

Your room is a difficult shape for HT, especially if you have an 8' ceiling.

I assume your screen and front L/R speakers will be along the 11' wall. The M80s need a bit of room between the rear of the speaker and the wall. If a sub is part of your plan, I'd find a place on the long wall.

The M80s are a lot of speaker for that layout, although, if I were in your position and going Axiom I'd go with the M80s as well.

Good luck with your new HT system. Setting a system up is exciting. Enjoy the music! and the explosions!
Edited by 2x6spds - 7/27/13 at 5:10pm
post #226 of 361
Thanks for the response. It sounds like I could go with the m60 / vp150. I figured out how to fit the m80 / vp180 combo, so I will have to decide before framing the screen wall.

Yes, they are on the 11' wall. The sub will be below the center, and there will be two ma racks on either side for equipment, and the L&R outside of that.

I can make it work either way now (sketch up) and just need to decide.
post #227 of 361
I use the VP100 only due to size constraints & it works just fine with my M22s/Velo subs; however, if I had the room, I think that the VP160 would be my choice as it gives the best sound dispersion for a HT setup due to its more conventional & 'accepted' driver layout.

Those that use these beasts really like them....

TAM
post #228 of 361
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post


The starting point is with their findings as a large percentage of people will end their adjustments there. However, do not allow someone else's findings to tell you what you like and dislike...that is stupid. Only YOU can tell you what you like and dislike. For example, many people like to run their bass too hot. Since experts say you should not do that, should the people reduce their listening enjoyment because of that? No, only a fool would do that.

I will never ever tell people that they shouldn't like what they like, or what sounds good to them. However, when the subject arises criticizing those with actual knowledge of audio engineering (i.e. 2x6 criticizing "know it alls" which IMO an audio engineer with a degree and knowledge of some of the fundimental difficulties in designing a speaker would fall under) then, yes, i will speak up.
post #229 of 361
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Originally Posted by 2x6spds View Post


I am not an audio engineer. Perhaps bo130 is an audio engineer, though it may be presumed that not all audio engineers are good at what they do. I have no desire to get involved in any internecine disputes among audio engineers about arcane aspects of their craft.

I am a consumer and rely on my ears to inform me as to whether the audio engineers have done their job well.

I still think you should read this thread, regardless.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1337283/any-thoughts-on-axiom-audio-speakers

In this thead, you will see Axiom employees essentially being "schooled" on topics that you would think a 30 year old speaker company would have a solid grasp on.
post #230 of 361
bo130, did you school Floyd Toole as well?

Did you school Ian Calquoun in speaker science?

I think I read that thread. Yes, there are many Axiom haters out there. You aren't one of those guys, are you?

BTW, would you post the waterfall plot y'all are talking about?

Thanks.
post #231 of 361
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I still think you should read this thread, regardless.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1337283/any-thoughts-on-axiom-audio-speakers

In this thead, you will see Axiom employees essentially being "schooled" on topics that you would think a 30 year old speaker company would have a solid grasp on.

That thread started off fine but went downhill very fast and then the "experts" started saying the color of the wire used will change the sound...the sound is different because of the type of dye used to make the color that is in the wiring...

Sorry if I cannot take it very serious. Was good for a chuckle, though, so thanks! smile.gif
post #232 of 361
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I will never ever tell people that they shouldn't like what they like, or what sounds good to them.

smile.gif Cool. Too many people on this forum do exactly that.
post #233 of 361
A review of the Axiom LFR-1100s plus ADA-1500-4 by an audio engineer, musician & composer:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/speaker-reviews/axiom-lfr1100-review/

It seems that he was most impressed & genuinely enjoyed this unique gear.

BTW - no Axiom advertising on that site that I could see when I was in there...

TAM
post #234 of 361
I have been toying with the idea of setting up a two-channel listening area in the vaulted area of the house, so today I moved the M80s, their Outlaw amps, the AVR and CD player into the living room and slid the couch back into the adjoining dining room. Wow what a difference in sound quality just giving the speakers some room!

post #235 of 361
Nice looking room. I too like clean, simple, uncluttered arrangements like yours.

Enjoy...

TAM
post #236 of 361
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Originally Posted by larry7995 View Post

I have been toying with the idea of setting up a two-channel listening area in the vaulted area of the house, so today I moved the M80s, their Outlaw amps, the AVR and CD player into the living room and slid the couch back into the adjoining dining room. Wow what a difference in sound quality just giving the speakers some room!


Where did you have that equipment previously. Perhaps I missed something along the way. I have my M80's , M2's and QS4's in a 11x15 room and love em. That is a very beautiful home you have, I reckon the M80;s sound different in a room with such a high ceiling. I will look you up if I am ever in Denver. biggrin.gif

I totally agree with everything said by 2X6Speed and they are words that I can easily live by. I cant think of anything to add to what he said . It seems people like to attack Ian about his dual tweets and comb filtering, yet along comes Andrew Welker, who is also a highly respected audio engineer and he has no problem designing speakers with multiple tweeters. If you do any research you will see that comb filtering is added to a lot of music at the mixing board. Could it be that just because we can measure it , does not mean it is necessarily a bad thing when experienced in small amounts? I have other speakers with only one tweeter and another set that has a tweet and super tweet , I just don't hear comb filtering and would not know it was there if someone didn't tell me.
post #237 of 361
They didn't sound bad in the family room, I just think big speakers sound better in the big open room. They will be going back in the family room eventually, my thought is to buy a pair of Legacy Focus SE for the vaulted room. I will go to RMAF again this October and listen to everything under the sun all weekend smile.gif
post #238 of 361
I have the Axiom Audio Epic Grand Master 350 home theater speaker system coming, a big upgrade for me.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/epic-grand-master-350-home-theater-system#t-3
post #239 of 361
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Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard View Post

I have the Axiom Audio Epic Grand Master 350 home theater speaker system coming, a big upgrade for me.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/epic-grand-master-350-home-theater-system#t-3

Cool, very exciting. Be sure to let us know when it arrives and be sure to take pics. Damn , I just looked at google maps ,glad its not me waiting on that biggrin.gif Hopefully they sent it air.

I started my axiom experience with M2's ,QS4's and vp100 with a sub,(all the budget would allow at that time) and I worked excellent in my tiny little room and huge improvement over the sony htib speakers I was using.

Richard
post #240 of 361
The other night we had a bunch of people over for a mid-summer gathering.

After most had departed the party, a good friend with whom I'd flown with over the years began talking audio stuff. He is an outstanding, meticulous & fastidious individual (but thankfully in a very low keyed manner) who spends his money on rather nice gear, whether audio or photograpic. His audio stable includes - Bryston 3B SST amp, Bryston BP-25 MC pre-amp, Magnum DynaLab MD-100 fm tuner, Simaudio Moon Equinox CD Player, Linn Sondek LP12 turntable & Paradigm Studio Reference speakers - so it is pretty decent stuff.

He was about to leave as it was getting late but I cajoled him into listening to just one track of Spyro Gyra's SACD 'Good to Go-Go' on my Tubes/SACD/M2s/EP400s audio system. Well, our short 1 track listening session turned into about 5 over the next half hour. Considering that he really wanted to go home, I believe that he was most intrigued with the performance of my simple, diminutive system & the outstanding quality of this TELARC recording. Interesting, as he had never really heard of Axiom.

All in all, I think that I've made some pretty wise choices building this system. Makes me happy anyway...

TAM
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