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I have 2 subs, with only 1 sub pre out. HELP

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I have the following equip:

Denon avr 890
Pair rti 10 towers
pair rti3 bookshelfs/bookshelves? haha
csi5 center
psw-111 8" 150w sub
psw-505 12" 300w sub

I have done enough research to know that you don't HAVE to have a 7.2 receiver to run 2 subs from the amp at the same time.
My questions are as follows:

1.) When running Audyssey, should I have BOTH subs plugged in or just 1, and if just 1, which one and why.

2.) Are there any meaningful CONS in using a y splitter to run 2 subs at once, or is it perfectly safe, sound, and done frequently.

I run my subs LPF for LFE @ 80hz, and my speakers are crossed over @ 80hz in the receiver.

Thank you for your time.
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Originally Posted by djwest78 View Post

I have done enough research to know that you don't HAVE to have a 7.2 receiver to run 2 subs from the amp at the same time.
My questions are as follows:

1.) When running Audyssey, should I have BOTH subs plugged in or just 1, and if just 1, which one and why.

2.) Are there any meaningful CONS in using a y splitter to run 2 subs at once, or is it perfectly safe, sound, and done frequently.

You need to have both subs hooked up and running for Audyssey to measure and create a meaningful EQ file.

There are no cons to running a splitter. Split at the AVR subwoofer pre-out and patch cord the "Y" splitter over to your sub. I use Mediabridge splitters and cables as to me, for the delivered ten dollar price tag, they're quality made, good looking cables.

Mediabridge RCA "Y" splitter cable.

Mediabridge RCA subwoofer cable: 15'.
post #3 of 6
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Originally Posted by djwest78 View Post


2.) Are there any meaningful CONS in using a y splitter to run 2 subs at once, or is it perfectly safe, sound, and done frequently.

Y cable is fine but take a few moments to balance the output of the 2 subs before you run Audyssey.

post #4 of 6
For clarification purposes, just adding to Kal's above, use a sound level meter to gain match each of the sub's output at one foot equally (measuring each sub while only the sub being measured is turned on) so the output of both subs, when both subs are powered on, at the MLP, measures a combined 72dB - 75dB. This should be done before running Audyssey.
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Originally Posted by djwest78 View Post

psw-111 8" 150w sub
psw-505 12" 300w sub

The psw 111 is an 8" sub that Polk specifies with a -3 dB point of 42 Hz.:
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CEA2010 Rating
CEA2010 Low 115.5
CEA2010 Ultra 75.4
Total Frequency Response 38Hz-250Hz
Lower -3dB Limit 42 Hz
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/psw111

The psw 505 is a 12" sub with a -3 dB point of 28 Hz:
Quote:
Total Frequency Response 23Hz - 160Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 125Hz kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 28 Hz
http://www.polkaudio.com/products/psw505

The difference in extension between these 2 subs is the better part of one full octave. We don't know the max output differences, but I think it's safe to assume that the 505 will have significantly more output across the range than the 111. Therefore, if you try to use them together, the 111 will always be the limiting factor, and you'll never realize the full potential of the 505. Th 111 will compress and distort long before you get to the full potential of the 505

If you really want to use them together, I suggest you use the Geddes technique for setting up multiple disparate subwoofers: http://mehlau.net/audio/multisub_geddes/ The technique sets the sub with the lower limits to a lower level and allows more headroom from the stronger sub. The technique does require measurement capability.

Another approach would be to use the smaller sub as a "mid-bass module" or MBM. However, this requires that you send the MBM a different signal than the deep-bass subwoofer. That requires an external crossover like a Behringer crossover http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DCX2496.aspx You set a high pass on the MBM and a low pass on the deep bass sub.

If neither of those solutions work for you, then I suggest you find another use for the 111 and consider getting another 505.

Good luck.

Craig
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

For clarification purposes, just adding to Kal's above, use a sound level meter to gain match each of the sub's output at one foot equally (measuring each sub while only the sub being measured is turned on) so the output of both subs, when both subs are powered on, at the MLP, measures a combined 72dB - 75dB. This should be done before running Audyssey.
That technique works great for identical subs. For non-identical subs, with vastly different gain structures, not so much.

Craig
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