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post #61 of 110
I have a few questions about this camcorder. I haven't purchased one, but have read the manual online.
1. To power on the camcorder, you can simply open the screen? (the manual mentioned opening and then hitting the power button - which seems a bit odd).
2. After opening the screen, how long does it take power-on and is ready to record? (I have a canon camcorder and it is virtually flip open and push record).
post #62 of 110
"To power on the camcorder, you can simply open the screen? (the manual mentioned opening and then hitting the power button - which seems a bit odd)." -- Yep, putting power button under the LCD is quite idiotic IMHO, but you won't be using it much: you will turn the camcorder on with the power button, then you will be turning it off by closing the screen. One obvious inconvenience is when you want to replace the battery, because you cannot pull it out without opening the LCD, so the camcorder will turn on and you will need to turn it off with the button... It's a mess. For the last 5-7 years Panasonic has been steadily ruining usability of its camcorders. Wait, one thing they have improved: now you can connect and disconnect camcorder from AC adapter without removing a battery. Holy mother of decoded battery packs!

"After opening the screen, how long does it take power-on and is ready to record? (I have a canon camcorder and it is virtually flip open and push record)." - it has a couple of fast-start modes but yes, it is pretty much instantaneous.
post #63 of 110
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Originally Posted by 24 dB per octave View Post

Eric, being in Napa you might want to call Samy's in San Francisco.

The store was "quasi open" when I visited them a couple of weeks ago.

--Alan

Awesome Tip!! I thought Sammy's was just a SoCal/Online outfit.

I just talked to one of the salesmen, and he said they don't currently have one in stock, but will contact me when they do.


Can someone tell me if my expectations are correct?;

I want to mount the camcorder on my wakeboard tower
  • Use the Wi-Fi control synced up to either an iPad or an iPhone
  • Use the software to see what the camera sees remotely in the boat (from just a couple of feet away)
  • Use the Wi-Fi software to control the recording On/Off function
  • Hopefully the camera will "slim me down" by about 20 lbs!


Thanks again, Eric.
post #64 of 110
I have not been on AVS in a long time. I sold my SD800 a few months ago to get a Nikon D600. After trying to record dancers using a DSLR, I am looking forward to received the x920 from Amazon tonight. Too bad I missed the sale price. But I will post some footage tomorrow night.
post #65 of 110
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Originally Posted by EricU View Post

Awesome Tip!! I thought Sammy's was just a SoCal/Online outfit.

I just talked to one of the salesmen, and he said they don't currently have one in stock, but will contact me when they do.


Can someone tell me if my expectations are correct?;

I want to mount the camcorder on my wakeboard tower
  • Use the Wi-Fi control synced up to either an iPad or an iPhone Yes
  • Use the software to see what the camera sees remotely in the boat (from just a couple of feet away) Yes, and there is a distance limit.
  • Use the Wi-Fi software to control the recording On/Off function Yes.
  • Hopefully the camera will "slim me down" by about 20 lbs! Don't know.


Thanks again, Eric.

Answers on wifi control.
post #66 of 110
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

So I guess Camcorderinfo had their 24p info accurate and Panasonic's sites does not have it stated.

As for the firmware,it probably is but the chances of Panasonic physically giving us a new firmware for their top consumer camcorders are probably unlikely. Some of their still cameras are treated differently since it's common for some of them to get new firmware updates such as the GH2 and GH3. I wish Panasonic would release a firmware update for the AC90 since it might open the door to hacks.

so is it real 24p or pulldown removal is needed in post?

Just ordered one.

Ken Ross, you did it to me - again! biggrin.gif

But I deserve it biggrin.gif
Edited by galileo2000 - 5/13/13 at 5:20pm
post #67 of 110
I'm not sure. The X900 was still 24p within 60i I believe and as for the X920, Panasonic doesn't mention even mention that it does 24p period at least from the specs I saw. Perhaps it's still like the previous camcorders. It supposedly has 30p though at least according to the specs.

Ironically, this camcorder is still hard to find on Amazon and B&H. Samy seams like the only major place that keeps getting them in stock. I'm not sure why that is.
post #68 of 110
Then I am pretty sure it is wrapped into 60i and cineform or something is needed to remove pulldown.

Oh well. I use 60p lately anyway.

My 24p Canon video still looks like video, not the film.
post #69 of 110
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Originally Posted by TheGizzard View Post

I have not been on AVS in a long time. I sold my SD800 a few months ago to get a Nikon D600. After trying to record dancers using a DSLR, I am looking forward to received the x920 from Amazon tonight. Too bad I missed the sale price. But I will post some footage tomorrow night.

so where is your footage?cool.gif
post #70 of 110
I am looking at purchasing an x920 and or the panasonic 720. Is it worth paying the extra $500 to step up to a 920? I know the wifi on the 720 has very limited, but has great video quality. Any thoughts an additional information would be greatly appreciated.
post #71 of 110
I think if you look at the spec sheets you will see there are different sensors with the more expensive one being "better" at color.
post #72 of 110
would the quality of that sensor justify an additional $500 though?
post #73 of 110
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Originally Posted by bbear44 View Post

would the quality of that sensor justify an additional $500 though?
In my view, yes. I answered in more detail on the other thread where you asked the same question: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1453931/the-official-panasonic-hc-v720-owners-thread/120#post_23435228
post #74 of 110
Just by looking at the current Amazon prices, the V720 is $549 and the X920 is $919 so based on that, it's more like a $370 difference.

With the X920, you get a manual focusing ring and a view finder which is lacking on the V720. In broad daylight, you'd be able to see how the colors will turn out better on the view finder than LCD screen unless you have a good shade on the LCD screen. With both set properly, the X920 should give you a little better colors when their plenty of lighting and as for low light situations, you should notice better low light abilities in the X920. Oh, theirs supposedly also a 24p mode that you don't get in the 720.

Even for $370, it's still a sizable difference. That can allow you to purchase more batteries and memory cards but as mentioned, their are good reasons why the X920 cost a bit more.
post #75 of 110
I've got a UK version of the X920. Its amazing outside and in low light, but I was wondering if anyone had found that the camcorder (In any setting) boosts the ambient light in a well lit room by about 6db. So for example I am in Europe staying in a sunny, white, loft apartment. There are windows on all sides and an overhead window, so the place is bright enough. The X920 (In any setting, manual or auto) thinks its not bright enough and increases the overall brightness, so that it is impossible to get any nice contrast in the picture. There is a black leather sofa and a beautiful leather red chair which are arranged with a white wall a couple of metres behind. There are steps going up the wall. In other words a perfect environment for a camcorder to give a nice contrasty shot. If you place a person on the sofa and incidental light falls on that person on that side, the skin is burnt out. If that persons gets up and walks to the window and then up the stairs the camcorder goes haywire. The X920 gives either a kind of "Milky" look with burn out if someone dares go near a bright light source. It also drifts off locked white balance in manual. Now imagine what happens on a very sunny day in this apartment, with light streaming in from all directions, the X920 goes mad. I have shot here for many years and had no problems before.

I have used every permutation of every setting, even "SNOWMAN" to no avail. I am wondering if I have a faulty unit as I have owned many Pans over the years and had no problems. Has anyone else had such problems? This was one of the first models to hit the UK about 6-8 weeks ago. Any ideas will be well appreciated.
post #76 of 110
Guys,

I've got my x920 for $799+tax from Panasonic and I couldn't be happier.

The best cam I ever had.

My SD600 was good, but x920 is excellent, color, low light, stab.

I am glad I bought it.

Sold my SD600 and HV20, so it was merely $200 upgrade.

Well worth it.
post #77 of 110
Where did you get it from at that price? Lowest I can find is $859
post #78 of 110
I bought this cam to see how it stacks up against my X900M and found there was nothing to write home about. The quality of recording in good light was practically the same. The low light improvement: marginal. Wi-Fi: useless. Why would I want to stream my videos to the TV and waste my bandwidth when I can just hook it up with HDMI? No remote: a deal breaker. What the heck did they think? Using my phone as a remote is pointless. It's just an element of fun that wears off pretty quick. No internal memory is another deal breaker. Apparently, Panasonic is done developing this line of cams.
Oh, and the white balance takes 25 seconds to adjust. My X900 takes 10 seconds.
post #79 of 110
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Originally Posted by somal007 View Post

Where did you get it from at that price? Lowest I can find is $859

Hi somal - pretty sure your company has to be eligible for the Panasonic Employee Purchase Program (EPP) to get that price. The best price for non-EPP participants is indeed $859 at Amazon.

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
post #80 of 110
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Just by looking at the current Amazon prices, the V720 is $549 and the X920 is $919 so based on that, it's more like a $370 difference.

With the X920, you get a manual focusing ring and a view finder which is lacking on the V720. In broad daylight, you'd be able to see how the colors will turn out better on the view finder than LCD screen unless you have a good shade on the LCD screen. With both set properly, the X920 should give you a little better colors when their plenty of lighting and as for low light situations, you should notice better low light abilities in the X920. Oh, theirs supposedly also a 24p mode that you don't get in the 720.

Even for $370, it's still a sizable difference. That can allow you to purchase more batteries and memory cards but as mentioned, their are good reasons why the X920 cost a bit more.


24p mode is unfortunately a joke. It's completely useless.
post #81 of 110
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Originally Posted by el nombre View Post

I've got a UK version of the X920. Its amazing outside and in low light, but I was wondering if anyone had found that the camcorder (In any setting) boosts the ambient light in a well lit room by about 6db. So for example I am in Europe staying in a sunny, white, loft apartment. There are windows on all sides and an overhead window, so the place is bright enough. The X920 (In any setting, manual or auto) thinks its not bright enough and increases the overall brightness, so that it is impossible to get any nice contrast in the picture. There is a black leather sofa and a beautiful leather red chair which are arranged with a white wall a couple of metres behind. There are steps going up the wall. In other words a perfect environment for a camcorder to give a nice contrasty shot. If you place a person on the sofa and incidental light falls on that person on that side, the skin is burnt out. If that persons gets up and walks to the window and then up the stairs the camcorder goes haywire. The X920 gives either a kind of "Milky" look with burn out if someone dares go near a bright light source. It also drifts off locked white balance in manual. Now imagine what happens on a very sunny day in this apartment, with light streaming in from all directions, the X920 goes mad. I have shot here for many years and had no problems before.

I have used every permutation of every setting, even "SNOWMAN" to no avail. I am wondering if I have a faulty unit as I have owned many Pans over the years and had no problems. Has anyone else had such problems? This was one of the first models to hit the UK about 6-8 weeks ago. Any ideas will be well appreciated.

Yes, I found that X920 is pretty bad with multi directional lighting when you have a lot of reflected light
post #82 of 110
Here is an informative thread from dvinfo - Paul Anderegg is a San Diego based TV news videographer who is using the $859 Panasonic X920 to shoot for broadcast. He is really impressed by the image quality but gives the down and dirty pros and cons of using this camera in a professional setting. Interesting reading:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasonic-avccam-camcorders/517973-panasonic-x920-broadcast-quality.html#post1806259

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
post #83 of 110
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Originally Posted by brunerww View Post

Here is an informative thread from dvinfo - Paul Anderegg is a San Diego based TV news videographer who is using the $859 Panasonic X920 to shoot for broadcast. He is really impressed by the image quality but gives the down and dirty pros and cons of using this camera in a professional setting. Interesting reading:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/panasonic-avccam-camcorders/517973-panasonic-x920-broadcast-quality.html#post1806259

Cheers,

Bill
Hybrid Camera Revolution
Gee, a pro guy discovered that consumer camcorders can shoot great video, record decent audio and have quite a few controls. Panasonic camcorders had these features starting from at least 2006. As for "car taillights that look almost orange" even the AF100 has it, this is how Panasonic handles levels. Other people hate it too.

I wonder how people react to such a small cam in the hands of a pro reporter.
post #84 of 110
Are Panasonic camcorders known for their poor color?...... I had a SD600 and color seemed a little washed out to me!. I just watched some vids of the x920 on YouTube and the color still seemed washed out as well?
post #85 of 110
Its washed out because its actually holding more color detail than it can handle. Thats a bad thing if you dont know how to post process but if you do, you can make it look unbelievably awesome, in a way that no camera can do straight out from the camera. Those washed out parts from the camcorder videos are the best part! All the details are there. Dont be fooled by over-contrasted videos

It really makes me angry when I see people saying that camcorder videos are "soft". They have no idea how much image quality they are losing!!
Edited by thedest - 8/3/13 at 7:00am
post #86 of 110
I had no idea more quality could be achieved with PC software. So you think it worth me learning the editing side of things and this will help produce better color with camcorders that struggle to display it as standard?. Maybe life would be easier just buying a camcorder that produces/displays better colors from the start though! smile.gif

This is the video that really put me off the x920 comparing to my SD600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU

smile.gif
post #87 of 110
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Originally Posted by thedest View Post

Its washed out because its actually holding more color detail than it can handle. Thats a bad thing if you dont know how to post process but if you do, you can make it look unbelievably awesome, in a way that no camera can do straight out from the camera. Those washed out parts from the camcorder videos are the best part! All the details are there. Dont be fooled by over-contrasted videos

It really makes me angry when I see people saying that camcorder videos are "soft". They have no idea how much image quality they are losing!!

I can sure second that. I'd compare this to shooting RAW and making adjustments in post. Besides, you can always use manual modes to darken the picture or add some contrast and saturation if you wish. Or you can leave the footage as it is and adjust your TV output instead if you watch your videos on TV.
post #88 of 110
What software should i be using? - Sony vegas?

So even looking at the x920 terrible color here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU its still worth buying and editing it later?
post #89 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

I had no idea more quality could be achieved with PC software. So you think it worth me learning the editing side of things and this will help produce better color with camcorders that struggle to display it as standard?. Maybe life would be easier just buying a camcorder that produces/displays better colors from the start though! smile.gif

This is the video that really put me off the x920 comparing to my SD600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU

smile.gif

Panasonic cams do take quite some time to adjust the white balance, but I do not have the turquoise sky problem on my x900. I'd suggest you get yourself one of those Lumix cameras. They are great and no prob with the sky color.
post #90 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

What software should i be using? - Sony vegas?

There are multiple versions and prices for Vegas. There are other choices as well:

Avidemux (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)
AviSynth (Windows)
Blender VSE (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)
Cinelerra (Linux)
Jahshaka (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)
Kaltura (Web application)
Kdenlive (Linux, Mac OS X, FreeBSD)
Kino (Linux)
LiVES (BSD, IRIX, Linux, Solaris)
Lumiera (Linux)
OpenShot Video Editor (Linux)
PiTiVi (Linux)
VideoLan Movie Creator (VLMC)
VirtualDubMod (Windows)
VirtualDub (Windows)
Freeware[edit source | editbeta]
Adobe Premiere Express (Adobe Flash Player)
Debugmode Wax (Windows)
Lightworks (Windows and Linux; Mac OS X versions in the making)
Pinnacle Videospin (Windows)
VideoThang (Windows)
Windows Live Movie Maker (Windows)
Windows Movie Maker (Windows)
Smartpixel (Windows)
AVS Video Editor (Windows)
Adobe After Effects (Mac OS X, Windows)
Adobe Premiere Elements (Mac OS X, Windows)
Adobe Premiere Pro (Mac OS X, Windows)
ArcSoft ShowBiz (discontinued)
Autodesk Flame
Autodesk Smoke
Avid DS (Windows)
NewsCutter Adrenaline
Avid Symphony (Windows, Mac OS X)
Camtasia Studio (Also Screencast software)
Clesh (Java on Mac OS X, Windows, Linux)
Corel VideoStudio (Windows)
Edius (Windows)
FORscene (Mac OS X, Windows, Linux)
FXhome Limited (Windows)
Final Cut Express (Mac OS X - discontinued)
Final Cut Pro (Mac OS X)
iMovie (Mac OS X)
Harris Broadcast Velocity (Windows)
MPEG Video Wizard DVD (Windows)
Magix Movie Edit Pro (Windows)
Media Composer (Windows, Mac OS X)
Montage Extreme (Windows)
MoviePlus (Windows)
muvee Reveal (Windows, Mac OS X)
Nero Vision (Windows)
Panopto
Pinnacle Studio (Windows)
PowerDirector (Windows)
Roxio Creator (Windows)
Roxio Toast (Mac)
SGO Mistika (Linux)
Sony Vegas Movie Studio (Windows)
Sony Vegas Pro (Windows)
Video Toaster (Windows, hardware suite)
VideoPad (Windows)
Xedio (Windows)
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