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post #91 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

What software should i be using? - Sony vegas?

So even looking at the x920 terrible color here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU its still worth buying and editing it later?

Well, and CX730 is purplish. So? BTW, only you can decide if it's worth it or not -- based on your use and purpose.
post #92 of 110
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

There are multiple versions and prices for Vegas. There are other choices as well:

Avidemux (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)
AviSynth (Windows)
Blender VSE (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)
Cinelerra (Linux)
Jahshaka (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)
Kaltura (Web application)
Kdenlive (Linux, Mac OS X, FreeBSD)
Kino (Linux)
LiVES (BSD, IRIX, Linux, Solaris)
Lumiera (Linux)
OpenShot Video Editor (Linux)
PiTiVi (Linux)
VideoLan Movie Creator (VLMC)
VirtualDubMod (Windows)
VirtualDub (Windows)
Freeware[edit source | editbeta]
Adobe Premiere Express (Adobe Flash Player)
Debugmode Wax (Windows)
Lightworks (Windows and Linux; Mac OS X versions in the making)
Pinnacle Videospin (Windows)
VideoThang (Windows)
Windows Live Movie Maker (Windows)
Windows Movie Maker (Windows)
Smartpixel (Windows)
AVS Video Editor (Windows)
Adobe After Effects (Mac OS X, Windows)
Adobe Premiere Elements (Mac OS X, Windows)
Adobe Premiere Pro (Mac OS X, Windows)
ArcSoft ShowBiz (discontinued)
Autodesk Flame
Autodesk Smoke
Avid DS (Windows)
NewsCutter Adrenaline
Avid Symphony (Windows, Mac OS X)
Camtasia Studio (Also Screencast software)
Clesh (Java on Mac OS X, Windows, Linux)
Corel VideoStudio (Windows)
Edius (Windows)
FORscene (Mac OS X, Windows, Linux)
FXhome Limited (Windows)
Final Cut Express (Mac OS X - discontinued)
Final Cut Pro (Mac OS X)
iMovie (Mac OS X)
Harris Broadcast Velocity (Windows)
MPEG Video Wizard DVD (Windows)
Magix Movie Edit Pro (Windows)
Media Composer (Windows, Mac OS X)
Montage Extreme (Windows)
MoviePlus (Windows)
muvee Reveal (Windows, Mac OS X)
Nero Vision (Windows)
Panopto
Pinnacle Studio (Windows)
PowerDirector (Windows)
Roxio Creator (Windows)
Roxio Toast (Mac)
SGO Mistika (Linux)
Sony Vegas Movie Studio (Windows)
Sony Vegas Pro (Windows)
Video Toaster (Windows, hardware suite)
VideoPad (Windows)
Xedio (Windows)

Thanks for narrowing down the choice!! lol
post #93 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Thanks for narrowing down the choice!! lol
AVS will do the job. I use it sometimes, but mostly the latest Vegas.
post #94 of 110
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Originally Posted by skysi View Post

I can sure second that. I'd compare this to shooting RAW and making adjustments in post. Besides, you can always use manual modes to darken the picture or add some contrast and saturation if you wish. Or you can leave the footage as it is and adjust your TV output instead if you watch your videos on TV.

Thats right! Its a lot like RAW shooting. Once you start doing it, you cant stop! And using manual modes only helps. But I dare to say that even iA modes can do a great job!

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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

I had no idea more quality could be achieved with PC software. So you think it worth me learning the editing side of things and this will help produce better color with camcorders that struggle to display it as standard?. Maybe life would be easier just buying a camcorder that produces/displays better colors from the start though! smile.gif

This is the video that really put me off the x920 comparing to my SD600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU

smile.gif

The thing is, you will never get the most out of your camcorder if you dont post process it. If you always use the "raw" video of your camera, you will ALWAYS lose quality

Im developing a plugin for Premiere Pro, aimed at beginners. Its still in alpha. In a few days I'll start a topic to show its development. Just take a look at this example. This scene was shot with a simple Sony GW77 in automatic mode. It looks very washed out and most would say its a bad soft video, but look what you can do in post. Just wait a few days. I'll start posting a step-by-step guide on how to do this.





ps.: I dont have a panasonic but I know that mark posts "raw" videos from the TM900 in his vimeo channel. Once I create the topic I'll download one of his videos and I'll grade for you to see how awesome the panasonic video really is
Edited by thedest - 8/4/13 at 8:12am
post #95 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Thanks for narrowing down the choice!! lol

The ones I've actually heard of follow. I put a " * " by the ones I've tried and used a little.

*Windows Live Movie Maker (Windows)
Windows Movie Maker (Windows)
Adobe After Effects (Mac OS X, Windows)
*Adobe Premiere Elements (Mac OS X, Windows)
Adobe Premiere Pro (Mac OS X, Windows)
Autodesk Smoke
Avid Symphony (Windows, Mac OS X)
Camtasia Studio (Also Screencast software)
Corel VideoStudio (Windows)
Edius
Final Cut Express (Mac OS X - discontinued)
Final Cut Pro (Mac OS X)
iMovie (Mac OS X)
Magix Movie Edit Pro (Windows)
Media Composer (Windows, Mac OS X)
MPEG Smart Renderer
Nero Vision (Windows)
*Panasonic HDWriter
Pinnacle Studio (Windows)
PowerDirector (Windows)
Roxio Creator (Windows)
Roxio Toast (Mac)
*Sony PlayMemories Home
*Sony Vegas Movie Studio (Windows)
Sony Vegas Pro (Windows)
Video Toaster (Windows, hardware suite)
post #96 of 110
It probably doesn't matter, but the term "raw" is being misused here.

In photography, "RAW" is an unviewable data file made by a photo camera. The camera itself even has to interpret it with various forms of grading to enable a preview on the back of the camera. A RAW file has all the light data captured by the camera. More common file formats are processed and compressed, like .jpeg.

A single "RAW" photo file can be 20MB.

1080p60 AVCHD at 28 Mbps in current consumer cameras and camcorders is a long way from 60 frames of "RAW" photos taken in a sequence. It uses H.264 for compression.

Markr041 does not post RAW video. He posts videos shot in 1080p60 AVCHD that are displayed after lots of processing by YouTube and Vimeo. As an extra service he, and others, make the "originals" downloadable as an option. Few would have the bandwidth to ever get a 30 minute RAW video downloaded.

"RAW" video is being discussed and is on the distant horizon. Cameras, memory cards and computers that can actually do it are a long ways away for anything approaching consumer budgets.

For the sake of camcorder discussions perhaps "original footage" would be a better term the "RAW files".
Edited by bsprague - 8/3/13 at 2:26pm
post #97 of 110
Thats right bill, but thats why I used the parentheses. I was just taking advantage of the analogy used by our friend. But thanks for the heads up, since we may have functional illiterate users.

And raw is different than .RAW

We all know that mark doesnt post RAW videos, since his cameras cant do that. And in his channel you CAN download the original AVCHD files, without any kind of online compression

RAW video can also have in camera processing, but its lower than in AVCHD videos. And like in a RAW video, an AVCHD also have unviewable data than can be recovered only in post
post #98 of 110
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Originally Posted by thedest View Post

Thats right! Its a lot like RAW shooting. Once you start doing it, you cant stop! And using manual modes only helps. But I dare to say that even iA modes can do a great job!
The thing is, you will never get the most out of your camcorder if you dont post process it. If you always use the "raw" video of your camera, you will ALWAYS lose quality

Im developing a plugin for Premiere Pro, aimed at beginners. Its still in alpha. In a few days I'll start a topic to show its development. Just take a look at this example. This scene was shot with a simple Sony GW77 in automatic mode. It looks very washed out and most would say its a bad soft video, but look what you can do in post. Just wait a few days. I'll start posting a step-by-step guide on how to do this.





ps.: I dont have a panasonic but I know that mark posts "raw" videos from the TM900 in his vimeo channel. Once I create the topic I'll download one of his videos and I'll grade for you to see how awesome the panasonic video really is

LOL! You made a black person out of that guy. That or extremely tanned smile.gif
post #99 of 110
What SD card should i use for the x920? I plan to get the 64gb card but i dont know if a normal class 10 sdcard should do or should i get the 45MB/s or higher sdcard. Is the x920 compatible with uhs-1? I plan to record using the highest setting 1080p. Note: for home use only.

Amazon has a cheap 64gb 40MB/s sony sdcard which is uhs-1 selling for only $40.68. Will this do or should i get a faster one? I want to record at the highest setting and take 9MP pictures at the same time.

Thanks
Edited by joms - 8/11/13 at 1:33am
post #100 of 110
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Originally Posted by joms View Post

What SD card should i use for the x920? I plan to get the 64gb card but i dont know if a normal class 10 sdcard should do or should i get the 45MB/s or higher sdcard. Is the x920 compatible with uhs-1? I plan to record using the highest setting 1080p. Note: for home use only.

Amazon has a cheap 64gb 40MB/s sony sdcard which is uhs-1 selling for only $40.68. Will this do or should i get a faster one? I want to record at the highest setting and take 9MP pictures at the same time.

Thanks
I use a 64GB class 10 Sandisk. Had no problems with my 1080 video. 30MB/sec seems enough.
post #101 of 110
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Originally Posted by joms View Post

What SD card should i use for the x920? I plan to get the 64gb card but i dont know if a normal class 10 sdcard should do or should i get the 45MB/s or higher sdcard. Is the x920 compatible with uhs-1? I plan to record using the highest setting 1080p. Note: for home use only.

Amazon has a cheap 64gb 40MB/s sony sdcard which is uhs-1 selling for only $40.68. Will this do or should i get a faster one? I want to record at the highest setting and take 9MP pictures at the same time.

Thanks

I bought this Sony card from Amazon, and it works just fine in my X920
post #102 of 110
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Originally Posted by skysi View Post

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Originally Posted by joms View Post

What SD card should i use for the x920? I plan to get the 64gb card but i dont know if a normal class 10 sdcard should do or should i get the 45MB/s or higher sdcard. Is the x920 compatible with uhs-1? I plan to record using the highest setting 1080p. Note: for home use only.

Amazon has a cheap 64gb 40MB/s sony sdcard which is uhs-1 selling for only $40.68. Will this do or should i get a faster one? I want to record at the highest setting and take 9MP pictures at the same time.

Thanks
I use a 64GB class 10 Sandisk. Had no problems with my 1080 video. 30MB/sec seems enough.
Why would not it be enough? Maximum bitrate of the X920 is only 3.5 MB/s.
post #103 of 110
Am new to the world with camcorders and just bought a x920... I am unsure if I should be recording at 1080p 60p or 24p?.. I will just be filming on holiday and out and about at my local parks with my daughter.

Has anyone noticed this major problem posted here ? http://www.avforums.com/forums/camcorders-video-editing/1783706-panasonic-x920-beware.html

The member who seems to have a vast knowledge with camcorders posted this as his fix. Just wondering if others think the x920 has been miss-calibrated for the purpose to boost lower light quality?????? smile.gif


"Well, after much angst I may have solved the problem. It would appear that Panasonic have miss calibrated the X920 so that in its normal unadjusted state either in Auto or Manual mode the subject appears far brighter than it actually is. In frustration I decided to try altering the PICTURE adjust settings in the menu. So now having lit the room I now knock the exposure back by -3, this then matches what the actual lighting in the room is, add +3 to the sharpness and +3 to the colour and hey presto! the camcorder is now behaving like one would expect from £900 worth of kit. It is unbelievable the difference these adjustments have made. Normally I would never alter these settings. My theory is that in order to please those obsessed with low light performance, Panasonic have actually calibrated their exposure so as "normal" ie zero is always +2 or +3 and colour is always -2 and detail is -2. Now the picture is superb and surpasses with ease the SD 900, it has a "filmic" quality whilst retaining sharpness which unlike the Sd900 is neither harsh or unflattering. It is still very sensitive to light changes and now I must keep my finger ever ready to press the backlight option at the first sight of a window in the background. Outside filming at midday in bright sunshine with the new settings was, dare I say it, "Awesome", God help me, I'm going all American, with delight! I will report with further findings as I complete more shoots"
post #104 of 110
"I am unsure if I should be recording at 1080p 60p or 24p?" - then you don't need 24p.
post #105 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

What software should i be using? - Sony vegas?

So even looking at the x920 terrible color here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU its still worth buying and editing it later?

eek.gif vast and significant difference in image quality .... then comparisons because the panasonic to score more in image quality from sony?
Edited by wertygr - 9/7/13 at 4:26am
post #106 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

What software should i be using? - Sony vegas?

So even looking at the x920 terrible color here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIIrLlIvOU its still worth buying and editing it later?

Ouch! is very serious this problem can confirm this one holds the camera if it happens many times this problem and how do you cope?
post #107 of 110
Hello,

Been reading here and this is my second post.

This may be a silly question but just wanted to check a couple of things:

1) Will the camera run using only the wall socket, or does it have to run off the battery only.

2) Can you record to the PC or external hard rive or only to a SDHC memory card?

Cheers
post #108 of 110

Hello,

 

Reading the x920 manual (I don't have the camcorder) I saw that in Scene Mode it mentions to "Set Creative Control Mode to [Time Lapse Rec]" beforehand. I would assume this is a typo because Time Lapse Rec has nothing to do with scene mode (otherwise we'd be able to use scene modes only in Time Lapse Rec, which doesn't make sense). Can some x920 owner confirm that?

 

Thank you in advance.

post #109 of 110
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Has anyone noticed this major problem posted here ? http://www.avforums.com/forums/camcorders-video-editing/1783706-panasonic-x920-beware.html

I have to wonder if they let the camera white balance before shooting. I don't see this problem in this outdoor video:

Michael
post #110 of 110
Guys, I just received my X920. AFter using it for 30 min it seems to be too hot at the bottom. Are your camcorders running hot as well? Thank you in advance.
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