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post #331 of 361
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Darklord700 said a lot of what I was going to say; surprising how greatly we two agree this time.
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When Howie said stop, Collins actually let one more card from the top go really quick. The cards were stacked and Collis knew exactly how many he needed to let go.
Key actually managed not to lower my opinion of him further yesterday, but he didn't raise it either.  Another thing that annoys me is that it's bad enough that Williamson calls his fans "Taylords"; Key adds a possessive and says "my Keypers."
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Cami did just fine and kept things interesting but it'll be a miracle for her to win.
I couldn't believe that for her last performance she chose a fifty-year-old song.  I remember seeing the Beatles perform it on the Ed Sullivan Show and her grandparents probably do too.  Otherwise, she did her job well.
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Jimmy Rose's fans kept him this far in the competition but I think this is it for Jimmy.
Yup.  That second song was really lackluster.
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I actually think Taylor's first performance that rehashed his earlier jokes was better than the 2nd one.
By far; he was really good at parodying himself, which, after all, is his signature shtick.  Also, I've heard him do his closing "younger brother" joke from the second set before.
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Again, kids won't vote for comedians ...
Well, there I disagree with Darklord.  We really don't know, and you can't depend on a blanket statement like that.
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Kenichi gave a credible but not mesmerizing performance, I hope he could win as it's just difficult for him to come up with new acts week after week.
His second act showed more creativity in the costumes and in the videography of getting all his characters to coordinate, than in the dancing, so I don't know if it got him the votes or not.
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I'm not moved by Forte anymore ...
Nor I.  I was thinking last night how tired their act had become.  At least they sang in the lyrics’ original language last night (Italian) instead of a Spanish translation.
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Did the acts do 2 each last year? I don't recall that but I really like that format.
No, but apparently tonight there will be non-counting duets with established professionals, which hearken back to the mentoring sessions the top ten got in Season 1[*] and the did-count-for-votes duets with professionals that the top four did in Season 2[**].

[*]One might count Passing Zone, a top ten contestant in Season 1, as established professionals themselves, but their mentors were Penn & Teller, and PZ were not and are not in P&T's league.

[**]I'm counting the puppeteer and voice artist for Kermit the Frog, who was Terry Fator's "professional partner," as pros.
 
Edited by dattier - 9/18/13 at 9:31am
post #332 of 361
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Continuing my weekly Collins key bashing, his last Youtube trick is just so easy to figure out. When Howie said stop, Collins actually let one more card from the top go really quick. The cards were stacked and Collis knew exactly how many he needed to let go. The rest just followed suit but to his credit, this trick was more concise and not as confusing but I wasn't entertained. I have a sneaky suspicion that the Twilight loving teenage girls will keep him on top and god forbid make him win.

I know I've stuck up for magicians in the past on this thread, but this is for the finals; I'm ok with simple, easy to figure out tricks if performed flawlessly. But Key definitely did not do himself any favors in showing any proficiency at his illusions. He's just bad. He's also 17, so he'll get better, but his "magic" is performed pretty poorly.

As you point out, in the Youtube trick after Howie said stop, he let one more card go, and on top of that the card he ended up giving Howie was the one AFTER that one, so really two cards past the one Howie chose. After that, it's a matter of keeping the cards in their proper order. Again, very poor showmanship.

I think his first act was even worse, though. He literally screwed it up, even saying so "this part's very technical, oops didn't get that right, let me try again". The card that the girls sign was never two cards, it was always one card, the one that he places on the table so the sharpie would "dry" was face down, and he made a mistake with the sleight of hand putting it on the table. He shows Heidi the backs of the cards, so even though she chooses a card at random, he shows her exactly the face he wants her to sign. All around a poor performance.

I love magic, and would love for a magician or illusionist to win this show, but Key is just too inexperienced to have made it this far.

Here's what I said about Collins a few weeks ago:
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I feel like I've said this numerous times in this thread and last season's thread: Why does knowing how the trick works make it less impressive? His showmanship is what we are judging him on. Everyone KNOWS magic isn't real. If magic were real, people would be doing it all the time. Half the fun of magic is figuring out HOWDY DOODAT?

I gave Special Head crap because he screwed up his trick a couple weeks ago, when he disappeared we could see his head behind a curtain. So, his showmanship failed and ruined the illusion. But so far, Key has done an excellent job with his showmanship. So what if his tricks are simple, sometimes the best tricks are the simplest ones.
post #333 of 361
So is it true, I've read around the web that Kenichi does a damned good Michael Jackson act, way better than he did last night, but I think NBC didn't allow him to perform due to loyalty rights or something to play MJ's song, so instead did that other act not that impressive, especially for the TV viewers. Notice that he's actually wearing MJ's thriller jacket.

For me Cami butchered that song and The Beatles should sue her or something

I could also clearly see Collins trick, he clearly chose those photos himself, how could the judges didn't see that? specially Howard, must have left him out on purpose so Howard didn't discover his bad trick.

Taylor made me laugh the whole time, yes, even with the same jokes. He's the winner at my end.

Fórte who? Kind of getting tired of them, also Jimmy Rose was awful.

My votes:
- Taylor
- Kenichi
- Forte
- Cami
- Collins
- Rose

But as we know America probably will vote them exactly the opposite.
post #334 of 361
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Another thing that annoys me is that it's bad enough that Williamson calls his fans "Taylords"; Key adds a possessive and says "my Keypers."
I couldn't believe that for her last performance she chose a fifty-year-old song.  I remember seeing the Beatles perform it on the Ed Sullivan Show and her grandparents probably do too.  Otherwise, she did her job well.
Yup.  That second song was really lackluster.
By far; he was really good at parodying himself, which, after all, is his signature shtick.  Also, I've heard him do his closing "younger brother" joke from the second set before.
His second act showed more creativity in the costumes and in the videography of getting all his characters to coordinate, than in the dancing, so I don't know if it got him the votes or not.
 

Cami should be given credits for trying to be interpretive instead of just another singer. "I Believe" worked well for her but others might not, that's the risks she's taking.

Taylor calling his fans Taylords is defensible as he's a comedian. Self-deprecating and self aggrandizing jokes are parts of many comedian's routine.

Kenichi was a bit being merely a watcher of the on screen character interaction and not having any thing to do with them. I'm nit picking by the high standard he sets on this show.

At this stage, I doubt the last performances would have too much influence on the final outcome. Collins fans would vote for him regardless and I gave all my ten votes to Kenichi even if his last performance didn't woo me as much.
post #335 of 361
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I know I've stuck up for magicians in the past on this thread, but this is for the finals; I'm ok with simple, easy to figure out tricks if performed flawlessly. But Key definitely did not do himself any favors in showing any proficiency at his illusions. He's just bad. He's also 17, so he'll get better, but his "magic" is performed pretty poorly.

Agreeded, I know how saw off a woman trick is done and I'm still entertained by it time and time again. If I just saw Collins last trick last night, I might think of him as a passable magician. But all his tricks are variations of the same making a prediction trick. It's like seeing the same magician performing the same saw off a woman, following by saw off a man, then by saw off a kid. And not to mention Collins doesn't have the greatest stage presence or presentation.
post #336 of 361
At this point, I'm rooting for Kenichi or Taylor. Either should rightly win.

But if I were a betting man, smart money's on Forte.
post #337 of 361
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In his prerecorded intro to his act last night, Ebina seemed to pronounce his first name "ken-ih-CHEE"; maybe in Japanese one spreads the stress over all three syllables equally, which doesn't work when one is speaking a language like English.

Therefore I stick with my earlier retraction of, unlike "Forte" [which they're finally getting right, though we don't hear Mandel utter it any more], anything I had said about where to accent his name.  If you're an Anglophone, call him "Sam" and you'll be just as close as any other way.  There's no question about the Roman-alphabet spelling, but if he wins tonight, I'll post "Congratulations to Sam Ebina" later in this thread.
post #338 of 361
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But if I were a betting man, smart money's on Forte.
If your reasoning is that the first six seasons were won by singers, including an opera singer in Season 3, perhaps it's to be noted that not one of those six was a group: Bianca Ryan, Terry Fator (a singing ventriloquist, but still singing), Neal E. Boyd, Kevin Skinner, Michael Grimm, and Landau Eugene Murphy Jr. were all solo acts.  (Fator's dummies do not count.)

These are not my predictions for the vote, but the order they rank in my emotions:

1. Williamson
2. Ebina
3. Bradley
4. Forte
5. Rose
6. Key

Before last night I'd have put Ebina first and Forte ahead of Bradley.  I wasn't so thrilled with her but Ebina blew a chance, and Forte and Rose shot themselves in four of their eight feet.

(It's also creepy that she married a guy who could pass for her brother.)
post #339 of 361
I may vote for Key just to watch people's heads explode. I hear the complaints, but see them as way over cooked.

Key is 3rd behind Kenichi and Forte.

4th is Cami. I expect her to have a good future if she can find good songs. She's got talent, just not up there.

Tied for last are Taylor, I laugh at about 1 out every 5 jokes, cringe at most of the rest. In my mind, he's one of the worst comedians to make the semi-final ever, and

Rose. A plain vanilla country singer, one of about 80 million, and that's only in Kentucky biggrin.gif
post #340 of 361
That was one heck of a production!

My picks:

Kenichi
Forte
Cami
Taylor
Jimmy
Collins

America’s picks:

Kenichi
Forte
Jimmy
Cami
Collins
Taylor
post #341 of 361
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I may vote for Key just to watch people's heads explode. biggrin.gif

Thank god voting is closed.

After monitoring FB postings, I would say Cami and Jimmy should be just happy to be here.
Taylor is too divisive a choice to win, you either love him or hate him.
Same goes to Collins to a lesser degree.
That leaves Forte to be the non-offensive choice and Kenichi the other choice.

It should be between Forte and Kenichi but is too close to call.
Edited by darklord700 - 9/18/13 at 7:19pm
post #342 of 361
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I'll edit this on Thursday to take out the spoiler markup, since by the time the results are announced to the West Coast, I'll be asleep.
 

(It's Thursday morning here now and time to remove the spoiler tags.)

6. Cami Bradley
5. Collins Key

It's a travesty that Key outpolled Bradley.  In Seasons 2 and 5 -- and I think in Seasons 4 and 6 -- the final week had only four contestants; had they done that this year, we might have gotten rid of Key sooner.

For that matter, it's a travesty that Key outpolled Special Head, or that either of them made it to the quarterfinals, or to Las Vegas, at all.  Both were just too full of themselves and their gimmicks were cheesy.  At least at his audition Special Head did something unexpected; Key has done the predictable thing every time.

4. Forte
3. Jimmy Rose

Also in the wrong order if you ask me, but Forte's not sustained their initial momentum, so I'm not surprised.

2. Taylor Williamson

He seems to have come up of late.  This is the second year in a row that a comedian took the silver; last year it was Tom Cotter.

1. Sam Ebina

Well, I said I'd congratulate Sam Ebina if Kenichi won, right?

Seriously,

1. Kenichi Ebina

No argument there.
 

 
Edited by dattier - 9/19/13 at 9:23am
post #343 of 361
I'm glad the winner won. He deserved it.
post #344 of 361
Fantastic and congratulations! I'm glad my two favorites made it to one and two, and I'm glad no back flipping dogs won this year!
post #345 of 361
Cami is a nice and sweet lady and she's gone further than she expected. I wish her the best and I'm kind of interested in her kind of interpretive signing.

Didn't expect Collins to fall to 5th, I had him in no. 3 based on his online popularity. This shows me that online popularity is over-rated, a lot of people who voted aren't posting their opinions online.

Forte was the stunner for me, I think they simply mailed it in in the last few performances and it showed.

Same to Jimmy Rose, he's a humble and nice guy and represents coal miners well, wish him the best.

At this point, I'm shocked that Taylor was still there and it's the second time in a row a comedian was second best.

The short montage before the announcement showed why Kenichi should win as I was still touched by his performances. And American choosing a native Japanese as the winner proofs that the American dream is still alive and well, as long as you perform and bring the good, you can make it here in America. Kenichi is a well deserving winner.
post #346 of 361
I thought the production on both nights was amazing. The AGT crew really put on a show and lived up to the venue they were performing in.

America got it right. Kenishi is incredibly creative.

My biggest surprise is that Cami finished 6th and Taylor came in #2. I had Taylor finishing 4th, but after he gave the Dick Cheney answer, I would have moved him up a notch. biggrin.gif I enjoyed Cami’s duet; she did really well.

Neal E. Boyd won as an opera singer, but since that time America has shown it likes country music better than opera.

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In his prerecorded intro to his act last night, Ebina seemed to pronounce his first name "ken-ih-CHEE"; maybe in Japanese one spreads the stress over all three syllables equally, which doesn't work when one is speaking a language like English.

Therefore I stick with my earlier retraction of, unlike "Forte" [which they're finally getting right, though we don't hear Mandel utter it any more], anything I had said about where to accent his name. If you're an Anglophone, call him "Sam" and you'll be just as close as any other way. There's no question about the Roman-alphabet spelling, but if he wins tonight, I'll post "Congratulations to Sam Ebina" later in this thread.

Now that the season is over, you will get your first good nights sleep since it began. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #347 of 361
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Didn't expect Collins to fall to 5th, I had him in no. 3 based on his online popularity. This shows me that online popularity is over-rated, a lot of people who voted aren't posting their opinions online.

I think you have to consider that due to the style of voting that AGT uses, some contestants vote totals are butchered by similar acts. Since you can only vote for one act (technically, ten acts, but face it, people use all ten votes on their favorite) if there are two similar acts, their vote totals will be split amongst their fans. To me, its really the only explanation for how Jimmy Rose makes it to #3. All the country music fans out there are going to vote for him.
post #348 of 361
I'm glad my top 2 remained all the way and I was rooting for Taylor, for a second there I thought he would win.. (maybe his wish of sleeping with Heidi would come true? a man can dream LOL)

What if they paired Forte with il Divo? that would have been interesting if they could outperform them
post #349 of 361
Some of those duets made no sense to me.
post #350 of 361
The duets were mostly marketing decisions and shoe horned as best they could. The one with Kenichi was a joke. The two hour show was basically a 90 minute commercial followed by the final votes.

In hindsight I'm not real surprised that Cami and Forte fell so far. On Tuesday (and to a lessor extent last week) Howie and Howard spent a lot of time bashing singers in favor of the acts like Kenichi and Taylor. One of them went even further saying a single act should be viewed better then a group. How influenced the public is by those comments we'll never know.

For me, the right act won, that was nice. The rest will do well.
post #351 of 361
Not that there isn't any, but I haven't seen internet backlash over an Asian winning America's Got Talent. That wasn't the case last week with Miss America.
post #352 of 361
Well last year a Chilean won AGT, so 2 imports were able to nab the win, 2 second place comedians in a row
post #353 of 361
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Now that the season is over, you will get your first good nights sleep since it began.
Nope, still won't sleep well, haven't for years, and AGT is not among the reasons.
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Cami is a nice and sweet lady and she's gone further than she expected. ... and it's the second time in a row a comedian was second best.
In Season 1, a music act of brothers named Miller tied for second; this year, the Miller singer was sixth.

[Eeww ... if "Cami" is short for Camilla, then she grew up as "Camilla Miller."  No wonder she performs under her husband's surname, even at the risk of their being taken for brother and sister because they look so much alike.]

So Manny and Lory Castro reached the semifinals in Season 6 with the Miami All-Stars, the finals in Season 7 with the Untouchables, and the Top Twelve round between the semifinals and the finals in Season 8 with D'Angelo & Amanda (and the quarterfinals with Ruby & Jonas).  What do they have cooked up for Season 9?

And will All That and Leonid the Magnificent audition again?
post #354 of 361
Final thought on this season is that MelB has to go, she brought nothing to the table and her inept remarks embarrassed the intelligence of the audience, the performers and the show producers.
Edited by darklord700 - 9/21/13 at 11:03am
post #355 of 361
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Without Brown there would have been zero Brits on the panel this season, and Cowell can't permit that.  There's always been a reserved seat for a British subject (two of them in Seasons 2-6), and apparently Mandel no longer qualifies since those law changes in the 1970s about Canada's position in the British Commonwealth.
post #356 of 361
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Final thoughts on this season is that MelB has to go, she brought nothing to the table and her inept remarks embarrassed the intelligence of the audience, the performers and the show producers.
She has three responses: "That was spot-on;" "Flawless;" and "I just don't get it!"
post #357 of 361
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She has three responses: "That was spot-on;" "Flawless;" and "I just don't get it!"

Spot-on. wink.gif
post #358 of 361
You forgot to mention, "off the chain".
post #359 of 361
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Without Brown there would have been zero Brits on the panel this season, and Cowell can't permit that.

I nominate John Cleese, Mr. Bean and Ricky Gervais to the Briton contingent of the AGT judging panel.
post #360 of 361
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Mr. Bean is a fictional character.  He might still be better than Mel B, though.
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