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Vehicles with blu-ray players in them....

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I realize this is a HT forum, but since many here know "stuff" is there any reason why vehicles don't have blu-ray players in them yet?

Back in the day when VHS was overtaken by DVD sales @ 50%, circa 2000 approx, that is when we started to see DVD players in cars, with those really small flat screens.

Then in the mid-later 2000's those small flat screens became larger, integrated into the headrest, etc.

Now, it's so easy to get OE DVD in your automobile.

Looking at stores where we buy electronics, I'm guessing blu-ray sales are 40% or so of DVD sales, just from shelf space at BB, Wallys mart, etc.

Yet, I've seen no inroad to OE's putting blu-ray players into their vehicles.

I'd so love to not have to buy "duplicate optical" via the blu-ray/DVD combo disc.....why pay extra and then need 2 discs?
(I have kids 7/9/11, and for road trips its nice for them)

Am I the only one thinking this?

Please don't say "go 100% digital, rip the dvd/bluray to your HD and then sync to your iPad/iPhone/etc and let them watch via that".
That's the subject of a different thread - IMO too much busy work, this one is focused on "Vehicles with blu-ray players in them", and the possible reason for the lack of them in the market place.

Since I've seen blu-ray players so cheap in price recently, I can't believe there are technical reasons why they can't add the blu-ray laser and its hardware/software to the existing packaging space that DVD players take up.
Is there some hi/low temp limit that affects blu-ray players that does not affect DVD players? As vehicles operate in much wider temp extremes than home usage.
Auto OE's don't want to pay the royalty fee to use blu-ray's?

A search shows this aftermarket unit, and Lexus recently introduced it, but not much else...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/10/audiovox-shows-off-the-industrys-first-in-car-blu-ray-player-t/

https://secure.drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/magazine/articles/Vehicle-Insider/Blu-Ray-Experience

I'm not looking for the video quality as reason, since screen so small not an issue.
Simply for convenience sake of just needing 1 optical disk.
Edited by mtbdudex - 3/22/13 at 3:03am
post #2 of 11
We have a car a/v forum, maybe they have opinions? http://www.avsforum.com/f/160/car-audio-video-and-nav

-Bill
post #3 of 11
I want to say that the main reason is expense. Price of a DVD player vs a bluray player, but I doubt that's it as it's probably not a big difference. Then there's the quality issue. Like you said, the screens are so small that hardly anyone would be able to tell a significant difference. I upgraded to an in dash aftermarket kenwood that played DVDs a few yrs ago. It was cool and wasn't hooked to my e-brake so I could watch going down the road (I know, dangerous. Didn't do it much) However, the best thing was that my iPod could send video to it too. This way I could scroll through all my movies and videos on screen, select and play. Now that you can download 1080p from iTunes, you at least have the video quality of BD, as long as the display does too. The audio side totally depends on your speaker setup in the car. Most all of those in dash receivers will output DD5.1.
I guess my answer is "I don't know." If the other displays out there will accept video from portable devices then that could be a big reason. More options vs one option. I guess the other is most people don't care since the video quality difference is minimal at best. There are always ways to just put a home bluray player in the car.
Edited by ambesolman - 3/22/13 at 6:30am
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

We have a car a/v forum, maybe they have opinions? http://www.avsforum.com/f/160/car-audio-video-and-nav

-Bill

Honestly Bill I was not even aware there was a car a/v forum here.

Again - to quote my 1st post
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I'm not looking for the video quality as reason, since screen so small not an issue.
Simply for convenience sake of just needing 1 optical disk.

In other words, blu-ray/DVD combo disc solely exists because of this, the slow adoption of blu-ray players into main stream besides the home theater market.
I guess even the added $5-$7 for the unique blu-ray laser parts + software + lic fees is too much into profit margins for those other markets to adopt them across the board?

Heck - as incentive the blu-ray laser makers and Sony should lower/waive their lic fees for all non-HT players, just to increase the total demand/acceptance, IMO.

So, what I was looking for is are there technical reasons why blu-ray laser parts + software are NOT making it into vehicle DIN units.
post #5 of 11
Blu Ray makes sense only on big home cinema screens. Even if you have full HD screen in your car it will be very small for the Blu Ray to see much difference from the normal DVDs. However it'll be much more expensive as it's been mentioned above. it's also easier to damage expensive Blu Ray disk when you drive. I think media player with exchangeable 2.5" would be the ideal solution for the in car entertainment system. You can put a lot of media files on it including avi, mkv, vobs + music in mp3, flac, ape etc
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by borland View Post

Blu Ray makes sense only on big home cinema screens. Even if you have full HD screen in your car it will be very small for the Blu Ray to see much difference from the normal DVDs. However it'll be much more expensive as it's been mentioned above. it's also easier to damage expensive Blu Ray disk when you drive. I think media player with exchangeable 2.5" would be the ideal solution for the in car entertainment system. You can put a lot of media files on it including avi, mkv, vobs + music in mp3, flac, ape etc
Why would it be easier to damage a bluray when you drive when they are much more scratch resistant than DVDs? It's the opposite.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Why would it be easier to damage a bluray when you drive when they are much more scratch resistant than DVDs? It's the opposite.
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sorry what I mean is that you better have media player with HDD or solid state drive. You rip you DVD or Blu Ray to MKV and there is no danger to scratch an expensive original Blu Ray disk. In any case even if Blu Rays are more resistant to scratches than normal DVDs - you better keep them at home for your home cinema system.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

I'd so love to not have to buy "duplicate optical" via the blu-ray/DVD combo disc.....why pay extra and then need 2 discs?

Please don't say "go 100% digital, rip the dvd/bluray to your HD and then sync to your iPad/iPhone/etc and let them watch via that".
That's the subject of a different thread - IMO too much busy work, this one is focused on "Vehicles with blu-ray players in them", and the possible reason for the lack of them in the market place.

I'm not looking for the video quality as reason, since screen so small not an issue.
Simply for convenience sake of just needing 1 optical disk
.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Again - to quote my 1st post
Quote:
I'm not looking for the video quality as reason, since screen so small not an issue.
Simply for convenience sake of just needing 1 optical disk.

In other words, blu-ray/DVD combo disc solely exists because of this, the slow adoption of blu-ray players into main stream besides the home theater market.
I guess even the added $5-$7 for the unique blu-ray laser parts + software + lic fees is too much into profit margins for those other markets to adopt them across the board?

Heck - as incentive the blu-ray laser makers and Sony should lower/waive their lic fees for all non-HT players, just to increase the total demand/acceptance, IMO.

So, what I was looking for is are there technical reasons why blu-ray laser parts + software are NOT making it into vehicle DIN units.

Quote:
Originally Posted by borland View Post

Blu Ray makes sense only on big home cinema screens. Even if you have full HD screen in your car it will be very small for the Blu Ray to see much difference from the normal DVDs. However it'll be much more expensive as it's been mentioned above. it's also easier to damage expensive Blu Ray disk when you drive. I think media player with exchangeable 2.5" would be the ideal solution for the in car entertainment system. You can put a lot of media files on it including avi, mkv, vobs + music in mp3, flac, ape etc

Well - I'll re-state:
-I realize there is NO reason to go to Blu-ray in a small screen, and stated such in both my posts, I guess people post what is on their mind w/o reading what the OP (me) stated...
-Ripping DVD or Blu-Ray to HD is harder than programming VCR's, and surely everyone remembers how many people could not do that simple task?
-I just want 1 optical format for all my usage, home theater and mobile, having dual disks is a pain in the A$$ for me

I guess the whole blu-ray adoption strategy of "HD video quality needed" has then sorta bit them in the butt, where some people have the mindset that it's some how "bad" or a waste to show blu-ray on small screen.
It's not bad or a waste, just being frugal and efficient, driving 1 standard for all optical display.
Only needing 1 optical disk to auto or home usage.

btw, I have a 2005 42" 720p HD and that is perfect for the family room viewing, as we sit 7' or more from it.


I'm well aware of the resolution limits of display types and the distance that you can see that at...this chart is handy for others


In my basement HT I have 130" screen with a 1080p PJ, possible 2015 or 1016 I'll go 4k PJ, right now the prices and tech is still stabilizing...but that's the subject of quite a lot of threads already not this one...

Edited by mtbdudex - 3/24/13 at 1:03pm
post #9 of 11
your set up in the basement is very impressive! if you move 4k it will be even better if you have access to the right quality source material by 2015. i think you are in minority group as most of us are happy with SD source material in our cars especially when now you can buy Blu Ray disk with supplementary free normal DVD. Also ripping Blu Ray to high quality MKV is SO easy with the right software that it makes it ideal for having huge collection of your favorite movies on the move. You can buy 2TB 2.5" HDD very cheaply and one Blu Ray in high quality will only take between 5-7 GB - you can do the math how many you can have in your pocket without fiddling with discs and skipping on the bumps... of course it's subjective and personal but I think all discs will die as a source sooner than we think. Don't forget you can keep all your music collection on the same HDD as well and in lossless format rather than castrated MP3
post #10 of 11
Anyone know of any aftermarket head units that have blu ray players in them (preferably with nav, but not needed)? Obviously not going to visually see a difference on a small screen- I'm looking for one more for the fact that I have 300 blu rays. I'd like to be able to grab a blu ray off my shelf and use it in my car without needing to rip stuff or deal with computers and that.... just want my currently owned media to be viewable in my car. I know I saw a couple back in like 09, but is anyone doing anything now?
post #11 of 11
There is a car A/V Forum. You'll probably find more there.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/160/car-audio-video-and-nav

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