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First off I am dumber then a stump when it comes to home theater surround sound. Currently my surround sound is 25 year old Bose speakers. I was never happy with the way they were set up, not sure if i used the right receiver. I bought a new kenwood 4 years ago and to be honest i did not notice an improvement. Very seldom do i ever hear volume coming from my rear speakers. Also is there a way to control the back ground music in movies. Even with the volume way up sometimes the music overpowers the speaking.

Do i need more modern speakers?
Do i need a differentant type receiver?
Do i need a receiver that is compatible with the speakers?

Thanks for any help.
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First off I am dumber then a stump when it comes to home theater surround sound.

Well, at least you can use punctuation, and that makes you smarter and better educated than many people on the Internet. wink.gif
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Currently my surround sound is 25 year old Bose speakers. I was never happy with the way they were set up, not sure if i used the right receiver. I bought a new kenwood 4 years ago and to be honest i did not notice an improvement.

Generally speaking, unless a receiver is grossly lacking in some ways, there isn't much of a difference to be made by upgrading it, at least in comparison with speakers and how they are set up. Are these Bose Acoustimass-type speakers (jewel cubes) or something else?
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Very seldom do i ever hear volume coming from my rear speakers. Also is there a way to control the back ground music in movies. Even with the volume way up sometimes the music overpowers the speaking.

There are quite a few people even here in this forum who choose to turn their center and surround channels louder than the left & right front channels, where sometimes loud effects and even the musical score can drown out dialogue from the center as well as any surround content there may be. For some of them it may just be a personal preference, but for others I have to wonder if their speakers are of adequate quality and are set up properly in the room, because I use the same volume for all of my speakers, and never have any such issues.
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Do i need more modern speakers?

If your speakers are those tiny Bose jewel cubes (and probably even if they aren't), then you would stand to benefit greatly from upgrading your speakers, in my opinion.
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Do i need a differentant type receiver?

Does your Kenwood decode soundtracks such as Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1? If not, then it must have been old when you bought it, and you'll want to upgrade at this point. Otherwise, does it have a room correction system? If not, then you may benefit from an upgrade, but first things first, the speakers are usually where the greatest improvements can be made, regarding equipment (setup can be equally important, though).
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Do i need a receiver that is compatible with the speakers?

Most receivers are compatible with most speakers, by and large, and I think a major issue is that your speakers aren't very good (BOSE doesn't stand for "Buy Other Sound Equipment" for nothing wink.gif). No offense intended--I'm truly just trying to be honest, if blunt, and help you out.

By the way, how are your surround and center speakers set up? Where do you place them, and are they inside an open cabinet or anything like that? Have you "calibrated" the levels of each channel to the same standard (using test tones built into your receiver as a reference)?
Edited by Robert Cook - 3/24/13 at 1:26pm
post #3 of 40
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Thanks for the comments. Normally on forums and face book i don't pay attention to spelling or capitalization. thank goodness for spell check.

The Bose system is all hardwired with a base module for front and rear.

there is a center speaker and two outside speakers for the front and yes these are the small cube types.

there are two rear speakers.

I made a mistake earlier when i said i upgraded to a kenwood. It was actually the Kenwood that i scraped and upgraded to a Yamaha RXV465. Although its been years since i used it, but it does have an optimizer mic.

My front speakers are wall mounted and really not that far from the TV. the rear speakers:one is on a stand and the other sits on top of the rear base module.

If i forgot to answer something fire away. I just finished my cardio at 8700 feet elevation and my heart is jumping out of my chest.
post #4 of 40
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now i am going to embarrass myself. You got me to thinking Robert and started checking all of the wires. My center speaker wire was not connected, no wonder the music was drowning out the voices. Who knows how long it has been disconnected.

So now is it back to upgrading the bose to perhaps Yamaha 5.1. I have a new Vizio 65 inch smart tv with 240 speed coming this week. To show you how far behind the times i am the out going tv is a projection set.

Thanks again for your insight.
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Thanks for the comments. Normally on forums and face book i don't pay attention to spelling or capitalization. thank goodness for spell check.

It's OK, I was just making fun of Internet grammar in response to your self-deprecation. I'm not here to judge things like that--speakers, yes, but not that stuff. wink.gif
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The Bose system is all hardwired with a base module for front and rear.

there is a center speaker and two outside speakers for the front and yes these are the small cube types.

there are two rear speakers.

That's the type that everybody is familiar with. While they're not exactly the greatest speakers around (to be kind), I'm not sure whether they frequently suffer from the issues that you brought up. While upgrading them would give you significantly better sound quality, we still have to make sure that it's not how they're set up that's causing the issues.
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I made a mistake earlier when i said i upgraded to a kenwood. It was actually the Kenwood that i scraped and upgraded to a Yamaha RXV465. Although its been years since i used it, but it does have an optimizer mic.

That's newer than the receiver that I use, so no worries here. Its YPAO system should help you calibrate the channel levels.
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My front speakers are wall mounted and really not that far from the TV. the rear speakers:one is on a stand and the other sits on top of the rear base module.

If i forgot to answer something fire away. I just finished my cardio at 8700 feet elevation and my heart is jumping out of my chest.

Only in Colorado. wink.gif Yes, by all means warm down before getting your adrenaline and heart pumping again with all of this exciting speaker talk!
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now i am going to embarrass myself. You got me to thinking Robert and started checking all of the wires. My center speaker wire was not connected, no wonder the music was drowning out the voices. Who knows how long it has been disconnected.

See what I mean about setup? biggrin.gif You know, I didn't even think to ask about this, and the reason is that I've come to expect dialogue to normally only come from the center speaker--if I disconnected mine (and I do sometimes when experimenting), then I wouldn't hear any dialogue whatsoever, and I'd know exactly what was wrong. In your case, however, the reason that this condition was allowed to persist for so long was that a significant portion of human voices can still be heard coming from your bass module, and this is because your speakers are so small that they can't reproduce the deeper frequencies of voices (or anything else), so that responsibility falls to the bass module. This has other drawbacks because some of that bass is high enough to be "localizable," and could be perceived as coming from the direction of the bass module, whereas in a more ideal system only the deepest, omnidirectional, non-localizable bass would be coming from a true subwoofer, with the rest being reproduced by a larger, more capable speaker. I'm just taking this opportunity to explain something about small "satellite" systems like yours--they can work alright sometimes, but they do have their shortcomings.
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So now is it back to upgrading the bose to perhaps Yamaha 5.1. I have a new Vizio 65 inch smart tv with 240 speed coming this week. To show you how far behind the times i am the out going tv is a projection set.

So I'm guessing that the improved center speaker situation isn't good enough? Have you checked your surrounds, as well, both the cables and the level settings? You'll want to make sure that everything is calibrated correctly before deciding whether to upgrade, unless you've already decided to upgrade. If that is the case, then what kind of a budget are we looking at here, and how large is your room? I can look at the Yamaha 5.1 systems for you if you'd like, but I'm not sure that modern HTIB (Home Theater In a Box) systems from mass-market manufacturers would be much of an improvement over what you have now. We can get you pretty good for pretty cheap, but we'll need your budget and other requirements such as maximum speaker size.
post #6 of 40
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if i understand the smart mic right you do the following. plug it in and then set the mic where i would normally sit and then run set up. to my understanding this should calibrate the speakers/sound to that point where i am sitting.

It has been so long since i set this up and it is always possible while experimenting i disconnected the center speakers myself. You are right I was hearing dialogue but sometimes the music would drown it out and now i understand why.

cubic feet wise my room is big. 20x15 but with 22 foot ceilings with tile floors. When i had the house built i was concerned about acoustics and echos but that really has not been a problem yet.

I am big on reviews. Real people and real problem reviews like you get on Amazon not testimonials or such. Yamaha and onkio seem to have the best. I think for now i am going to experiment some more since we have trouble shot one of my problems

So based on your advise upgrading speakers would help but there is no need to change the receiver/amp. This in itself should save me money.

Thanks for your help.

Let me modify the size of my room and its hard to pin point just how many cubic feet are effected here. My living room and kitchen are divided by an 8 foot wall, the dining is open to the living area and also there is a loft above the living area. All areas with high cathedral ceilings. I might be pushing 13k cubic feet.

Now let me fast forward to the sub woofer that was bought. Bear in mind that I have no knowledge of sub woofers. I did go ahead and buy the Premier Acoustic PA-150. As far as I am concerned it handling all of the cubic feet and I am very impressed.
Edited by COWBOY1296 - 4/8/13 at 11:17am
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if i understand the smart mic right you do the following. plug it in and then set the mic where i would normally sit and then run set up. to my understanding this should calibrate the speakers/sound to that point where i am sitting.

That's right. Make sure that the room is quiet and that the receiver is generating tones with which it will calibrate your system.
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It has been so long since i set this up and it is always possible while experimenting i disconnected the center speakers myself. You are right I was hearing dialogue but sometimes the music would drown it out and now i understand why.

The dialogue must have sounded rather dull, I imagine, since all of the midrange and treble that would have come from the center speaker was missing.
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cubic feet wise my room is big. 20x15 but with 22 foot ceilings with tile floors. When i had the house built i was concerned about acustics and echos but that really has not been a problem yet.

Yes, that is a big room, and unless you'd be willing to spend a fair amount of money just on a subwoofer (or two!), you're not going to be able to reproduce the kind of bass that some movie soundtracks request. It's not that you have to, but I'm just letting you know that it would be a challenge and that you'll likely have to compromise.

As for the tile floor, it may be an issue if you want to improve the sound quality of your system, but if you have enough furniture and drapes and things like that, and the room doesn't echo much in practice, then you may be alright. Otherwise, a large rug or a smaller one in front of the speakers should help.
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I am big on reviews. Real people and real problem reviews like you get on Amazon not testimonials or such. Yamaha and onkio seem to have the best. I think for now i am going to experiment some more since we have trouble shot one of my problems

Definitely experiment first to see whether you feel you need to upgrade your speakers. The Yamaha and Onkyo systems do appear to be among the better HTIB systems, and perhaps you'll find more reviews and knowledgeable opinions in the HTIB forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/f/109/home-theater-in-a-box

However, I think that for not much more money--even less than $500 total--you could do significantly better with speakers that we in this forum could recommend for you. There are some genuine bargains to be had, and the general thinking around here is that HTIB systems from electronics manufacturers are a false economy due to the relatively low quality of the speakers. It's food for thought, anyway. In the meantime, try to get your current system working at its best, and then let us know whether you still wish to upgrade.
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Just thought I would add my two cents. At one point a few years back, I had the top of the line surround sound Bose system (lifestyle 35). It stopped working and I needed a replacement pronto, so I went to a local electronics store and purchased a Yamaha HTIB. In my opinion, the $350 replacement sounded better than the Bose in my particular room (mainly due to the base since I had an actual subwoofer).

So having said all that, after doing some calibrations and you feel that you are happy with your current setup, then that's great. If you decide that you want to upgrade, I don't think you would be disappointed. I suggest that you go to area audio stores to listen to as many speakers as you can from as many different manufacturers as possible, just to get a feel for the sound that you like and the types of speakers that you like. You can get a pretty good system without breaking the bank. Whichever way you decide to go, good luck and I hope this helped.
Edited by GiTcHaSuM - 3/24/13 at 10:12pm
post #9 of 40
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Thanks for your input. Now that I have found one of my problems I am going to play with what I have for a while. Now here come the dumber then a stump part. When looking for home theater speakers and using the Yamaha RXV-465 can i accidently overbuy or underbuy for the system. If so are there any hints. I am also going to look at the link for Home Theaters in a Box that was posted on here.
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Thanks for your input. Now that I have found one of my problems I am going to play with what I have for a while. Now here come the dumber then a stump part. When looking for home theater speakers and using the Yamaha RXV-465 can i accidently overbuy or underbuy for the system. If so are there any hints. I am also going to look at the link for Home Theaters in a Box that was posted on here.

Get as good a speaker as you can afford. Make sure that the speaker that you buy is not a 4 Ohm speaker and that it does not have low sensitivity, if you are wanting to get much volume out of it.
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what is your attitudes about the Klipsch HD Theater 600 Home Theater System untilizing my yamaha rxv465
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When looking for home theater speakers and using the Yamaha RXV-465 can i accidently overbuy or underbuy for the system. If so are there any hints.

Many people who are new to home theater (and even some who aren't) have questions like this, whether it concerns sound quality or power ratings. In general, speakers are the weakest link in the audio chain, so to speak, while receivers and amplifiers have much less of an impact on the overall quality of a system. Even those who are using an inexpensive or not-so-powerful receiver can benefit greatly from buying high quality speakers, so you should not be concerned about overbuying. As for underbuying, that has nothing to do with your receiver itself, but rather your system as a whole.
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I am also going to look at the link for Home Theaters in a Box that was posted on here.

Do that if you're really stuck on buying such a system, but in my opinion you could do better for the money with hi-fi speakers.
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what is your attitudes about the Klipsch HD Theater 600 Home Theater System untilizing my yamaha rxv465

I like that this HTIB is made by a speaker manufacturer as opposed to a general electronics manufacturer, so it's likely to sound better. That said, this is about $600 for very small satellite speakers with very limited bass capabilities--not much more than your Bose cubes, even though they should sound much better overall--and a very small subwoofer. It just does not seem like that good of a value to me. If you could accommodate larger speakers, then you could do much better for the money, such as with the following system:

4 x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR = $255
1 x Pioneer SP-C22 = $97
1 x Dayton Audio SUB-1200 = $144
Total = $496

You could also upgrade the subwoofer to the following, for example:
1 x Klipsch RW-12d = $300
Total = $652

A room the size of yours, however, may be better served with this sub (you could make a lower offer that they may accept):
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?PID=1825

So for about $100 less, you could get larger speakers of excellent quality for the price, as well as a larger, more powerful subwoofer. Or for only about $50 more than the HTIB you are looking at, you could get the same system with a much better subwoofer still. These speakers can be crossed over to the sub as low as 80 Hz, which means that virtually no dialogue, for one thing, will be coming from the sub, which benefits sound quality in several ways.

Now, if for some reason you need smaller speakers, we can help you there, too.
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^^^
This is very good advice. That system will perform very well within your budget.
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I feel like you guys are having to hold me by the hand to guide me through this. This has been edited. Ok i found wall mounts for book shelf speakers so perhaps i could use book shelf speakers for the front. The speaker wires sticking out of the walls could turn out to be a tad short. the option here is to splice them. Any ideas on the proper splicing if i need another inch or two, : ). ok so i left myself open here, its late.
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I feel like you guys are having to hold me by the hand to guide me through this.

That's nothin'--I'll CARRY you if I have to! wink.gif
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Ok i found wall mounts for book shelf speakers so perhaps i could use book shelf speakers for the front.

Are they these?
http://www.amazon.com/VideoSecu-Clamping-Mounting-Surrounding-MS56B/dp/B000X9O8SI

Wow, the price just went up by another $10! eek.gif
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The speaker wires sticking out of the walls could turn out to be a tad short. the option here is to splice them. Any ideas on the proper splicing if i need another inch or two

Unless you know how to solder--in which case the ideal method would be to tin the wire ends, twist them together lengthwise (sort of like a Western Union splice), solder them together, and cover the splice with shrink tubing--I guess you could simply use some wire nuts. smile.gif
post #16 of 40
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Yes they are the same mounts, however I had not looked at Amazon yet. The pioneer speakers do taper off a little, is there any reason to believe that these mounts wont work? I live in the sticks and my mall is my keyboard. I would bet that I buy about 98% of my stuff off of Amazon. I have a very posative story to share about Amazon but it is too long to put on here. But I will always sing their praises for what they did.

I need to do some more researach on the the pioneer speakers. do you know if they come in a differant cabinet other that black wood grain?

So I am getting a little educated with this deal. Apparently the more cubic or square feet you have the more important it is for a strong sub wolfer
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The pioneer speakers do taper off a little, is there any reason to believe that these mounts wont work?

Some folks have used a very similar mount (the VideoSecu MS56B appears to be a "clone" of this one) successfully:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774/pioneers-speaker-genius-hits-low-price-point/3100_100#post_22492195

You could PM them with specific questions, or post your concerns in that thread. Apparently some feel that you need to drill holes into the bottom of the speaker to secure it to this mount with screws. I use a similar mount myself (the Pinpoint AM40--another clone!) with significantly larger and heavier speakers that are tilted downward nearly as far as it will go (the specs say 7 degrees but mine are at about 8 degrees), and they are held very solidly, as far as I can tell--I'm not worried about them one bit, and I live in earthquake country, where we've had a few decent shakers since I've mounted the speakers in this manner, and they haven't budged at all. Now, the SP-BS22-LR is curved on the sides (my speakers have straight sides), but there should be a little foam pad that goes on each side of the clamp that will conform to some of that curve, where it is shallowest on this speaker, and I expect that this will give it a decent grip on the speaker. This mount supports most of the weight of the speaker on a third point behind the clamps, and since the speaker is not that heavy and probably won't be tilted upward or downward that much (will it?), I feel fairly confident that you won't have to put screws into it; you could also use earthquake/museum putty or velcro to help secure it, like you would on a stand or shelf with no clamps. Then again, I currently have no experience with using this particular speaker (or any speaker that has curved sides) with this mount.

I looked around for an alternative, and here is what I found:
http://www.adorama.com/1/1/14735-sanus-systems-wms2-tilt-and-swivel-wall-mount-wms2.html

This mount is not nearly as sturdy overall as the MS56B, but it does grip at the front and rear, which are flat on the SP-BS22-LR (I'm not sure whether the grille would be in the way, though). I don't know, I could be wrong but I still get the feeling that the MS56B would hold this speaker more securely overall.

You could also use a wall-mounted shelf of your choosing instead, as long as it can hold the weight and you secure it with putty.
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I need to do some more researach on the the pioneer speakers.

By all means, but I for one do not question that they are a better deal than tiny satellite speakers in HTIB systems, and the high-value subwoofers that I recommended easily blow away the ones that come with HTIBs within your approximate price range. Pioneer may be a general electronics manufacturer, but for their hi-fi speakers of late they put their best man on the job to create the best speakers he could with a limited budget, and in my opinion he did a darn good job. Compared to other hi-fi speakers, these are definitely entry-level and have their limitations, but compared to HTIB speakers--including those from Pioneer, which are not even among the best in that category--they are a major step up.

By the way, before I forget to mention this, these speakers have a history of going on sale every so often, during which a pair of SP-BS22-LRs can be had for as little as $69 (about half price). eek.gif There was one like this just a month ago.
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do you know if they come in a differant cabinet other that black wood grain?

Unfortunately, like the Ford Model T (and many speakers, as well), they come in any color that you want, so long as it is black.
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So I am getting a little educated with this deal. Apparently the more cubic or square feet you have the more important it is for a strong sub wolfer

That is correct in a sense, because the way the physics of sound work, the lower the frequency the less "directional" it becomes. Once you get down to 80 Hz or so, sound tends to spread in all directions regardless of how it was generated, and at the same time people have a very hard time detecting the direction from which a sound is coming. This implies that unlike (or at least much more so than) other speakers, the subwoofer sort of has to fill the whole room (in cubic units) with bass to get the intended effect, while distance (in plain linear units) is the main thing that other speakers, for the most part, have to contend with; it's not really all or nothing, but this is how it basically breaks down. One thing about subwoofers, though, is that because they are practically omnidirectional--when used with decently large speakers--you could probably place them real close to the viewers to make up for a lack of size and power; some people don't like this, though, possibly because they can sense where the sub is, when it's close, from the distortion that it generates. Undersized subs won't "pressurize" the room with massive bass like many home theater enthusiasts like, but at least you can still hear it and maybe even feel it if the sub is close enough, and that's what those who have limited budgets and large-volume rooms will have to compromise on. Larger, more powerful subs also tend to be able--depending on the specific example--to reproduce deeper bass, which a lot of people would like to have, although technically you can trade off this deep, deep bass for higher overall output, and many people find that they benefit more from this point of compromise.

That's the popular theory, anyway. There are some subs that can shake you up pretty well even when used outdoors, however, and I doubt that they're SO powerful that they can "fill" and pressurize the entire planet Earth. wink.gif This makes me wonder sometimes about the whole cubic feet business, but it is nevertheless a pretty good rule-of-thumb in practice.

The three subs that I recommended earlier all dig down deep enough for general home theater use (audible down to 25 Hz or so), to the point where you are not missing out on much very often, but fall a bit short of the deepest bass. The largest one, the PA-150, actually trades off some deep bass for louder bass, despite being larger, and it's probably the best sounding sub of the three as well; of course, it costs more than the other two. All of them are very good values at their price points, and you'll get your money's worth.
Edited by Robert Cook - 3/26/13 at 9:34am
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Based on what guys told me about the sub and the reviews i have read on line i just ordered the Premier Acoustic PA-150. there is going to be a delay in shipping so i am n ot going to get in a hurry with ordering the front and center speakers just yet and maybe i will get lucky and they will go on sale in the next 2 weeks. One of the reviews the guy described his room and it sounded like mine and he went on and on about the Premier Acoustic PA-150 . i will keep you intuned with any updates.
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Based on what guys told me about the sub and the reviews i have read on line i just ordered the Premier Acoustic PA-150.

Cool, I think you'll like it--a nice big 15" woofer moving all that air (so to speak) has got to make some kind of a "dent" even in your room. Did you make an offer? If so, how much?
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there is going to be a delay in shipping so i am n ot going to get in a hurry with ordering the front and center speakers just yet and maybe i will get lucky and they will go on sale in the next 2 weeks.

We could discuss the characteristics you may prefer to have in a speaker, in the meantime. There are other speakers that are roughly within your price range, and while I don't think that they measure up to the Pioneers, some folks would disagree. I could try to locate some other deals and give you examples, if you'd like.
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Robert you have a private message.

The pioneers will be just fine. I have a log sided home with a lot of rustic wood stuff in that room so the black speakers will blend in just fine. For the rear speakers, even through they are a little more, I will go with the tower version.

Every speaker you suggested came with great real people reviews. To me the reviews mean a lot.

Just caught the pioneers on sale at tiger direct so they are now ordered.
Edited by COWBOY1296 - 3/27/13 at 6:39am
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Generally I am pretty good at searching the internet. I know a few days ago I watched a video on the Premier Acoustic PA-150 but can no longer find it. Anyone have any links that give an explantion of the subwoofer.
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Generally I am pretty good at searching the internet. I know a few days ago I watched a video on the Premier Acoustic PA-150 but can no longer find it. Anyone have any links that give an explantion of the subwoofer.
Here's a pretty extensive and realistic review by an AVS member.
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Thanks but way beyond my comprehension.
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Thanks but way beyond my comprehension.

Sorry - He basically says that the sub will perform well in the 31 Hz to 180 Hz range. It provides good response in consistent sound from 40 Hz to about 180 Hz and will dig down to 25 Hz, although does not provide as much response from 25 to 30 Hz, dropping about 15 db in volume in that range.

The distortion response is good from 40 Hz and up.

In all, a very good value for a sub at this price. A better sub will have better response in the 20 - 30 Hz range.

So essentially - a very good sub for most sounds you're apt to hear in a movie, with low distortion above 40 Hz, where most sounds generated by movies or music live. Low distortion means you're hearing the sounds you're supposed to hear without much muddiness. The only thing you're lacking is the very low sounds (think a low rumble from an explosion, you'd still feel a rumble, but the best subs shake the house).

Sounds like a very good budget sub.
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thanks, i did buy it and just waiting for delivery.
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The pioneers will be just fine. I have a log sided home with a lot of rustic wood stuff in that room so the black speakers will blend in just fine. For the rear speakers, even through they are a little more, I will go with the tower version.

This will make your system a bit of an oddball wink.gif, but if it makes things more convenient for you and you don't mind paying extra, then it wouldn't hurt. Your surround effects are going to be pretty full-sounding, which is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
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Just caught the pioneers on sale at tiger direct so they are now ordered.

Awesome! Let me know how everything went with setting them up, and if you have any questions then be sure to ask, of course.
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Originally Posted by COWBOY1296 View Post

Thanks but way beyond my comprehension.

Sorry - He basically says that the sub will perform well in the 31 Hz to 180 Hz range. It provides good response in consistent sound from 40 Hz to about 180 Hz and will dig down to 25 Hz, although does not provide as much response from 25 to 30 Hz, dropping about 15 db in volume in that range.

The distortion response is good from 40 Hz and up.

In all, a very good value for a sub at this price. A better sub will have better response in the 20 - 30 Hz range.

That's what I thought, too, and I believe that I managed to convey the tradeoffs involved before COWBOY1296 made his selection. For comparison, most subwoofers used in multiplexes, except perhaps in the best screening rooms, don't go any deeper anyway, to my knowledge. Missing out on 20-30 Hz could be considered a fair compromise, given the budgetary restrictions, to better fill a room of this volume with quality bass.
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I never gave it any thought about the tower speakers being more powerful. It has nothing to do with surround sound but a matter of convenience. One of my Bose rear speakers was on a stand, and the stand i don't care far and looking forward to getting rid of it.

Now with this minor error how is this going to effect my surround sound.

Does anyone have a link for the subwoofers operators manual?
post #28 of 40
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Originally Posted by COWBOY1296 View Post

I never gave it any thought about the tower speakers being more powerful. It has nothing to do with surround sound but a matter of convenience.

That's what I figured.
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Originally Posted by COWBOY1296 View Post

Now with this minor error how is this going to effect my surround sound.

This shouldn't cause any problems whatsoever, so put your mind at ease. smile.gif Very few surround effects are SO loud & bassy that you would even notice a difference, and if/when you do, it will be a positive difference.
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Originally Posted by COWBOY1296 View Post

Does anyone have a link for the subwoofers operators manual?

I can't seem to find it anywhere online. Do you have any questions that we may be able to answer for you, or are you just anxious to get started? wink.gif
Edited by Robert Cook - 3/28/13 at 7:09pm
post #29 of 40
Thread Starter 
I am not sure where it came from but there was a video regarding this subwoofer that i watched. I would like to look at it again but i can not find it. But a good picture of the back would be nice.

Thanks
post #30 of 40
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Originally Posted by COWBOY1296 View Post

I am not sure where it came from but there was a video regarding this subwoofer that i watched. I would like to look at it again but i can not find it. But a good picture of the back would be nice.

There are some photos (including the best photo of the PA-150's back panel that I've been able to find--click on the thumbnail for a larger image) and videos on this webpage:
http://www.testfreaks.com/hifi-subwoofers/premier-acoustic-pa-150

Have you checked your browser's history log to find the video you're looking for?
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