No I didn't mean that brighter images than 12 FL are "unreasonable" or even somewhat under 12 FL. I only mentioned "reasonable brightness" to head off the caveat that, obviously, black level is dependent upon
not only the contrast of a projector but the screen type/images size etc. Hence, use a super dark bigger screen, throw on ND filters, dial iris down and maybe something close to pitch black could be realized on the screen. Except it's hard to imagine any current digital projector getting to this point WHILE maintaining decent brightness for actual movie content. (And 12 FL was a ball-park standard - and I believe that was the brightness quoted for the projected image in the Widescreen Review article).
I was joking Rich ! Satire rarely comes through over the internet !
That said, I find a brighter ( 18 foot lamberts ) picture to look better / more punchy / more realistic. However, then screen surface selection becomes even more critical - it's a lot harder to see screen texture / sparklies at 8 - 10 FL than it is at 18 - 20 FL, that's for sure ! I'm loving the new StudioTek 130 G3 - really a nice screen surface.
After blacking out my room, I like the intense brightness of the 2.8HP even more so than before.
I'm measuring ~ 2.5 gain at seated position. The Sony HW50 @ ~ 1000 D65 lumens = ~ 41 ft-L... get out the sunglasses.
The RS55 is ~ 26 ft-L, I usually crank the iris way down and it still looks plenty bright.
The caveat of the black hole + HP screen is that the black floor limitations of the projectors stand out in dark scenes. This is where DI's have no chance of making up for the lack of native contrast. I can clearly see the difference in the black floor between the RS55 vs. the HW50 and Epson 5020 although they are both very good for the price point.
DLP's like the Sharp 30k, W7000, Mitsubishi HC8000 don't cut it for my blueray content. I can always seen the grayish black floor and it takes me out of the movie. High native contrast is a requirement for my particular setup / viewing preferences.
Jason, any photos/ screenshots for us to see the end result of your newly done blackout room?
I haven't taken any since the black out, but will soon. I did a sci-fi marathon last night after breaking in one of those Keurig coffee makers. I was wired the entire night...
The Terminator re-master looked excellent, much better than the original. Then I watched Underworld (the original) and finished with Blade 2. They all looked great with the RS55 @ -11 on the iris, very pleased with the performance of the room now.
The intense brightness of the HP in a black pit with a high native contrast projector matches my exact preference for how I think these sci-fi movies should look.
So this thread inspired me to create a black hole surrounding my screen area with black velvet. I was able to get the material for a very affordable price, but now I need to know the best way to actually put it on the wall surrounding the screen as well as the ceiling. My original plan (and I believe I read this suggested on these forums before) was to staple directly into the drywall, but it seems the staples are fairly visible in a quick test, as well as the fact that staples dont really hold all that well in dry wall. With just a bit of pull they tend to slide out of the wall, whereas stapling into wood holds very well.
This led me to consider building wooden frames to staple into (on the back side of the wood), but this seems challenging because of a need for incredibly straight wood at fairly long lengths as well as it would have to be thick and a noticeable depth off the wall for the staples themselves to not drive through to the other side when stapled from the backside. So basically I don't really love either of my two options at the moment that I have come up with thus far, and so I want to know what everyone here recommends if the ultimate goal is black velvet on the drywall and ceiling totally surrounding the screen which is mounted directly on the wall. Thanks for any advice!
I covered the front of my theater by runng velvet in vertical strips and stapling it directly to the wall. I then covered the seams with velvet covered trim boards which I air nailed to the wall. The one drawback of this method is its hard to get the velvet to lay nice and flat against the wall. If I were to do it again, I would get 1/8" hardboard cut to size at the local hardware store, wrap the velvet on it so it could be pulled nice and tight, use duct tape to hold the velvet in place at the back, airnail the hardboard to the wall, and then cover the seams with trim boards. I covered my door using this latter method and it looks excellent.
I'm planning on making it look like curtains. My wife is going to sew a slot in it so I can hang them. I bought some 10' sections of PVC pipe that I will put in the slot like a curtain. I bought some simple "L" screws that I can screw into each stud & hang it on. I will do this along the upper wall & underneath the screen too. I think it will look a little nicer this way, time will tell.
The Dark Knight - JVC X90. The whole front of the room is black but the rear sides and back aren't total black as I don't fancy pure black right now:
I since put some of the same black material but in red along the front, just to make it match the room better. The screen is floor to ceiling (sloped) and wall to wall. I've spotlights pointed at the screen here to show the red, but much darker with lights off and I find it looks nice when you enter the room:
Oh, and the maple subwoofer got a makeover with the blackout treatment too:devil:
I swear, the next person that casually enters the room is in danger of getting covered in blackout!
Seriously, except that red leather, the best HT room I've ever seen!
Thanks for your kind words! I do like my room but I think you need to get out and start looking at more HT rooms though as mine pales into insignificance once you see what else is out there, especially like the one just above
The red leather seats will likely go at some point. I actually like the seats, really comfortable but I don't like the symmetry. I would like to have proper cinema seating at some point as it would look more symmetrical
If you like looking at home theatres, here is a gallery of HT's (mostly in th UK) You can filter them by rating which will bring all the 5 star threads to the top:
Boy your room has come a long way since you put all the room treatments in. It looks amazing. I love the look of the floor to ceiling screen. It's like you can just fall into the image.
I tried to place my screen as low as my set up would allow for similar reasons.
This was built in 2006. Black velvet on all surfaces. The splash of red near the stairs is a safety issue, but during screenings those sections turn black and invisible against the wall.
Yeah, this is the one I think of when I think blacked out. LOVE IT. IIRC there was also alot of attention to audio treatments in the wall etc.
When I went to fabric on my walls above the sound treatments and velvet under the front soffits, the benefit to PQ was noticable. Subjectively, I would say, a 10% improvement in image depth and clarity as to when it was just flat red, and black paint, in those areas.
Yes Rich, it's a nice effect, especially for sport and some 3d. The screen is taller than me so when you get a view of Tiger Woods for example, it's almost like he's standing there! The recent Masters was great, as you say, almost like you can get up and walk right into the screen and onto the course
My room uses a similar system for the dark brown felt drop down ceiling. It looks amazing. The fabric is pulled so straight and taught you'd assume it was a nice wooden build-down until you look closely.
Really nice effect.