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post #361 of 721
What do you guys think is best. I just ordered (2) 10ft x 8ft Black Velvet drapes to put on the sides of my wall, I have velvet to go on the screen wall. I also ordered (2) 12ft x 10ft black velvet drapes for my ceiling and floor. Should I just use both on my ceiling?I have (3) black area rugs that are 5ft x 7ft, but I know the velvet is better. What should I do?
post #362 of 721
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I was told the protostar is VERY sticky and once it hits you can not reposition it. At 30" wide that would be very difficult.

I didn't find it that hard to work with. I only remove a small amount of the paper backing, anget it positioned where I want it, then stick that to the surface. Then I lift it up and slowly peel and stick. It's fun and exciting !!
post #363 of 721
Hey guys, was wondering if you all could help and make sure I'm barking up the right tree. I've read through this thread but I'm sure forgot some important points.

Here is a horribly put together "drawing" of my room's dimensions (not to scale):



And some real images of the room:





And this is why I want to velvet-ize the viewing area!



I'm thinking of going Royalty 3 Velvet from Joann's all over and using a staple gun on all surfaces and the ceiling. Would this staple gun be fine? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Surebonder-Pneumatic-Staple-Gun-Stapler-with-Carrying-Case-for-Arrow-T50-Staples-9600A/202931125#.Ui6MI8bbOcc

Would covering the ceiling to the 36" wall be enough to give it the black out I need? Also would cover the speakers and the floor?

And if I'm doing my math right:

91" high = 2.53 yards
124" length (2.82 44" cuts) = 3.45 yards
120" length (2.73 44" cuts) = 3.34 yards
36" length = 1 yard

@ 44" wide cuts

44" (cut to 36") wide x 2.53 yards for right side wall (2.53 yardage)
44" wide x 2.53 yards x 2.82 quantity for back wall (7.1346 yardage)
44" wide x 2.53 yards x 2.73 quantity for left wall (6.9069 yardage)
44" (cut to 36") wide x 3.45 yards for floor (3.45 yardage)
44" (cut to 36") wide x 3.45 yards for ceiling (3.45 yardage)
Total yardage needed = 23.4715 + extra to cover speakers/sub @ $10.49 (current sale price) is $250.

Or is there an easier way of calculating this? I'm not much of a handyman, but I'm cheap smile.gif

Thanks in advance for the help!
post #364 of 721
I just ordered 500" of the Protostar self-adhesive material to mask my roof. As I already have covered my roof with black molton I wonder if this self-adhesive material is strong enoug to put right on the fabric? Zombie?
post #365 of 721
Anyone know a good place to buy the fidelio black velvet online?

I need it shipped to Denmark. I looked everywhere locally, and there's just nothing that compares. I got a sample of the UK Devore material, and the fidelio is supposed to be even better.
post #366 of 721
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Originally Posted by clausdk View Post

Anyone know a good place to buy the fidelio black velvet online?

I need it shipped to Denmark. I looked everywhere locally, and there's just nothing that compares. I got a sample of the UK Devore material, and the fidelio is supposed to be even better.

I bought from this site.

http://www.voguefabricsstore.com/home.php
post #367 of 721
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Originally Posted by Andreas21 View Post

I bought from this site.

http://www.voguefabricsstore.com/home.php

I see you are located in Norway. Did it work out ok getting it shipped from them? Or did you use something like jetcarrier?

It's called Fidelio velvet fabric Black 1000 correct?
post #368 of 721
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Originally Posted by clausdk View Post

I see you are located in Norway. Did it work out ok getting it shipped from them? Or did you use something like jetcarrier?

It's called Fidelio velvet fabric Black 1000 correct?

I did not use jetcarrier and the shipping was pretty fast, it´s called Black 1000.smile.gif
post #369 of 721
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Originally Posted by Smidget View Post

Hey guys, was wondering if you all could help and make sure I'm barking up the right tree. I've read through this thread but I'm sure forgot some important points.

...(snip)...

I'm thinking of going Royalty 3 Velvet from Joann's all over and using a staple gun on all surfaces and the ceiling. Would this staple gun be fine? http://www.homedepot.com/p/Surebonder-Pneumatic-Staple-Gun-Stapler-with-Carrying-Case-for-Arrow-T50-Staples-9600A/202931125#.Ui6MI8bbOcc

Would covering the ceiling to the 36" wall be enough to give it the black out I need? Also would cover the speakers and the floor?

And if I'm doing my math right:

91" high = 2.53 yards
124" length (2.82 44" cuts) = 3.45 yards
120" length (2.73 44" cuts) = 3.34 yards
36" length = 1 yard

@ 44" wide cuts

44" (cut to 36") wide x 2.53 yards for right side wall (2.53 yardage)
44" wide x 2.53 yards x 2.82 quantity for back wall (7.1346 yardage)
44" wide x 2.53 yards x 2.73 quantity for left wall (6.9069 yardage)
44" (cut to 36") wide x 3.45 yards for floor (3.45 yardage)
44" (cut to 36") wide x 3.45 yards for ceiling (3.45 yardage)
Total yardage needed = 23.4715 + extra to cover speakers/sub @ $10.49 (current sale price) is $250.

Or is there an easier way of calculating this? I'm not much of a handyman, but I'm cheap smile.gif

Thanks in advance for the help!

Your screen is very close to the side walls and ceiling, so that`s your maximum benefit. The fabric on the ground may look a little... odd, versus say an area rug or something. But if you're just creating like a box of fabric, it may work for you. I would suspect that the light from the floor would be closer to the viewers versus the light on the walls or ceiling, based on the distance from the screen to the floor.

I`d also suggest trying to move your speakers forward more as well to help minimize their reflections (both acoustic and light). Up by the front of that other wall. You could also help minimize their reflectivity by toeing in your fronts, and angling your center upward.

Just some random thoughts...
Edited by Fat Dave - 9/15/13 at 11:20am
post #370 of 721
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Originally Posted by Fat Dave View Post

Your screen is very close to the side walls and ceiling, so that`s your maximum benefit. The fabric on the ground may look a little... odd, versus say an area rug or something. But if you're just creating like a box of fabric, it may work for you. I would suspect that the light from the floor would be closer to the viewers versus the light on the walls or ceiling, based on the distance from the screen to the floor.

I`d also suggest trying to move your speakers forward more as well to help minimize their reflections (both acoustic and light). Up by the front of that other wall. You could also help minimize their reflectivity by toeing in your fronts, and angling your center upward.

Just some random thoughts...

Thank you so much for this. Bought the electric staple gun, working on the measurements still and will probably bite next weekend. Thanks for the extra tips!
post #371 of 721
it's time for part 2 of my blackout project. I'm temporarily using the protostar to cover part of the floor, but want to make it permanent with carpet.

does anyone have suggestions of a specific carpet brand? I'm looking for the lowest sheen possible.

Since this is relatively inexpensive, I was thinking of trying these 12x12 berber carpet tiles to see how it looks before committing to a full install

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202024154?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202024154&R=202024154#.Uj5eVBDzF3G

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post #372 of 721
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

it's time for part 2 of my blackout project. I'm temporarily using the protostar to cover part of the floor, but want to make it permanent with carpet.

does anyone have suggestions of a specific carpet brand? I'm looking for the lowest sheen possible.

Since this is relatively inexpensive, I was thinking of trying these 12x12 berber carpet tiles to see how it looks before committing to a full install

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202024154?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202024154&R=202024154#.Uj5eVBDzF3G

9c043824-4438-484b-b59d-0eeee7d6511c_300.jpg

339678d6-b3e5-4a51-97bd-ca4ac41b6c7a_400.jpg

I think the carpet is the least critical of all surfaces, so long as it is not really light. E.g., I have a medium brown oriental rug on the floor and with the lights out if looks like a black hole.

As many have noted, the ceiling is the most critical, then the side walls, and lastly the screen wall around the screen. Also, if your screen is retro-reflective (e.g., HiPower), the back wall is also imp to have blacked out.
post #373 of 721
I was surprised just how reflective my dark blue carpet was after doing the flashlight test. I just have velvet blanketing the first ~10' of the floor, but it is not the most practical solution even if it is great from a performance perspective.

Report back on the tiles Zombie as I am curious what you find.
post #374 of 721
I just recently blacked out my first 8' of theater floor as well with velvet, and absolutely love it. There's no doubt that reducing reflections off the sidewalls, ceiling, and floor will help perceived contrast and really help the image pop, but for me, I'm finding out what I really like is removing any distraction from my line of sight to the screen and creating that floating image. It's really enjoyable to watch that way.

Prior to doing the velvet on the floor, I wrestled with deciding if I should drop a bunch of money replacing my dark grey carpet with a black carpet. For me though, the decision to go with black velvet on the floor was made for 2 reasons, cost and performance. It would've cost a lot more to replace the carpet, and I would guess that it would be very difficult to find carpet that would come close to replicating the performance of velvet.

I expect that a dark carpet would nearly be analogous to a dark paint on the wall - I have progressively gone from a dark grey painted room, to a black painted room, to a black velveted room, and there is no comparison. Black velvet virtually eliminates light reflection and looks black no matter how bright your screen is lit. Black paint does not perform nearly as well in this regard, although it was slightly better than the dark grey paint. I would expect that the same progressive improvement going from lighter carpet, to darker carpet, to black velvet.
post #375 of 721
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I think the carpet is the least critical of all surfaces, so long as it is not really light. E.g., I have a medium brown oriental rug on the floor and with the lights out if looks like a black hole.

As many have noted, the ceiling is the most critical, then the side walls, and lastly the screen wall around the screen. Also, if your screen is retro-reflective (e.g., HiPower), the back wall is also imp to have blacked out.

My HP fills up the majority of the wall, so the bottom is only ~ 18" from the floor. The current carpet is medium brown but the entire floor is lit up during bright scenes. I have a few strips of the protostar blocking the front, but aesthetically doesn't look great. I think those black tiles could serve both purposes, knock down the light and have a better finish.

I'm going to order a box to a local HD to see how they look. This project is addicting, now I have more work to do before it's a complete pit.
post #376 of 721
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

I just recently blacked out my first 8' of theater floor as well with velvet, and absolutely love it. There's no doubt that reducing reflections off the sidewalls, ceiling, and floor will help perceived contrast and really help the image pop, but for me, I'm finding out what I really like is removing any distraction from my line of sight to the screen and creating that floating image. It's really enjoyable to watch that way.

Prior to doing the velvet on the floor, I wrestled with deciding if I should drop a bunch of money replacing my dark grey carpet with a black carpet. For me though, the decision to go with black velvet on the floor was made for 2 reasons, cost and performance. It would've cost a lot more to replace the carpet, and I would guess that it would be very difficult to find carpet that would come close to replicating the performance of velvet.

I expect that a dark carpet would nearly be analogous to a dark paint on the wall - I have progressively gone from a dark grey painted room, to a black painted room, to a black velveted room, and there is no comparison. Black velvet virtually eliminates light reflection and looks black no matter how bright your screen is lit. Black paint does not perform nearly as well in this regard, although it was slightly better than the dark grey paint. I would expect that the same progressive improvement going from lighter carpet, to darker carpet, to black velvet.

thanks for the info, I may do both. Black carpet for the entire area, and possibly build a small stage platform with a curve and then velvet it.

I don't like my current carpet color, so at least it's a baseline until I figure out what to do in front of the screen.

can you explain a bit more how you used velvet on the floor? is it just an area in front of the screen or the entire room?
post #377 of 721
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

it's time for part 2 of my blackout project. I'm temporarily using the protostar to cover part of the floor, but want to make it permanent with carpet.

does anyone have suggestions of a specific carpet brand? I'm looking for the lowest sheen possible.

Since this is relatively inexpensive, I was thinking of trying these 12x12 berber carpet tiles to see how it looks before committing to a full install

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202024154?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202024154&R=202024154#.Uj5eVBDzF3G

9c043824-4438-484b-b59d-0eeee7d6511c_300.jpg

339678d6-b3e5-4a51-97bd-ca4ac41b6c7a_400.jpg


I used this carpet from Lowes.
It was the darkest I could find, and the price was good. Of course, next to the SyFabrics triple black velvet, it looks gray when light shines on it. But there was no way I was going to put velvet on the floor. It wouldn't have worked at all in my room. When I'm watching, I can't see it at all. I have just a few more tweaks and my room will be complete. At night, it's tight as a drum. In the daytime, I still have a few small leaks to extinguish.

I painted the visible parts of the recessed, pivoting LED ceiling lights black and spaced them around the room, out of my line of sight. They're also completely invisible when the lights go down. Even the glossy black caps on my GoldenEar Triton Two towers can't be seen during a film. It took 2 1/2 months to finish, but it's worth it.
post #378 of 721
Thanks for the link, that looks like a nice carpet texture. Did your Lowes have this is stock? I'll have to check my local store, I'd like to pick up a sample to check out tomorrow.
post #379 of 721
For $258.41 including lots of royalty velvet from Joanns (@ 30% off + 15% off coupon) + a stapler gun (funnily enough... more than my screen @ $145 on Amazon)

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post #380 of 721
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Thanks for the link, that looks like a nice carpet texture. Did your Lowes have this is stock? I'll have to check my local store, I'd like to pick up a sample to check out tomorrow.

No, they had to order it. It took about 12 days from order to installation.

I worked on this project with a friend who lives in the neighborhood and does this sort of thing for a living. He worked me in with his other customers. Fortunately, I didn't have the extended contractor delays that some people have described. I never felt "abandoned." smile.gif
post #381 of 721
I wanted a black box effect around my screen and while I was using black velvet for the screen wall, I originally figured I'd have to go with a section of black carpet for a section under the screen.
In the end I went with a mini "stage" like protrusion on the floor beneath the screen: 28" (I think) wide by 13' long along the width of the screen, boards wrapped in the same black Fidelio fabric as is used for
the screen wall and masking. I'm so glad I went with that instead of any carpet because it makes for a perfect, designerly match with the whole screen wall, vs a mix-n'-match of materials. Black carpets wouldn't be as dark.

I did go with a dark brown shag carpet, but when I really want the most immersive black-out effect I have a screen-width "blanket" of Fidelio black velvet I throw on to the floor to extend that black area.
One side of the blanket has some chain sewn into the lining which acts as a nice weight. I place that end down first and when extending the blanket along the floor that anchors that side, like someone holding that end of the blanket, so the blanket can be pulled taught and wrinkle-free to cover it's area as if someone where helping hold it on the other end. That blanket resides inside one of my ottomans, so grabbing it and laying it on the floor takes seconds. And the effect is much more pure blackout than I'd get with any rug.

FWIW.
post #382 of 721
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Thanks for the link, that looks like a nice carpet texture. Did your Lowes have this is stock? I'll have to check my local store, I'd like to pick up a sample to check out tomorrow.

If you aren't going to re-carpet with black carpet, you can do what I did - have a bigger piece bound on the edges. That's what I did - really cut down on reflections. See post 170.
post #383 of 721
I covered all the ceiling panels and drop-ceiling gridwork, as well as all four walls, in SyFabrics Triple Black Velvet. I have a few yards left over (in case of damage) but the cost was just over $500, so not cheap. However, the overall effect of using that much velvet is dramatic. When the lights go down, I can't see much of anything except the screen. The glossy black leather of the recliner is the brightest thing I see. smile.gif The Lowes carpet looks jet black in the store, but it appears a mottled gray when the down-firing LED lights shine on it. As soon as they go off, though, the carpet becomes completely invisible. I also decided not to put any recessed lighting in the ceiling panels that are line-of-sight between the seating and the screen. Off to the side of my HP screen, the faces of those lights (painted with flat black spray paint) are also invisible. They "light up" when I shine a flashlight on them, though. I chose to paint doors and some trim in glossy black, just to have a little highlighting and character. I like it when the lights are up, but it completely disappears in the periphery of my vision when the lights go down. After the modifications, my projector is close to minimum throw, so a stage would have eaten too much of the remaining floor space in my small room. But honestly, with that much velvet on the walls and ceiling, there aren't enough reflections in the room for the less-than-velvety-black carpeting to make it visible. It's a complete now issue in my setting.

My room was already pretty dark before I started this project. The main reason for my remodel was sound. I went from having my screen on the short wall of the room (~12') to the long wall (about ~17'), so my speakers could "breathe." I'm really happy with the sound now.

BTW, I ended up using a piece of Water White Glass for the projection chamber in the other room. It doesn't affect the image and also doesn't attenuate the light significantly (99% transmissive). It's anti-reflective, and I mounted it at a roughly 10-15% angle. It can be cleaned with rubbing alcohol, according to the company.

I'd like to post some photos, but I'm having a really hard time getting shots that show enough detail. It's all too dark. biggrin.gif
post #384 of 721
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

thanks for the info, I may do both. Black carpet for the entire area, and possibly build a small stage platform with a curve and then velvet it.

I don't like my current carpet color, so at least it's a baseline until I figure out what to do in front of the screen.

can you explain a bit more how you used velvet on the floor? is it just an area in front of the screen or the entire room?

I used the velvetted exercise mat solution courtesy of the thread starter SOWK. I covered the first 8' out from my screen. My preference would have been to build a stage and cover it in velvet as you are thinking about doing, but one of the design flaws in my theater is that my door is at the front of the theater so a stage would interfere with its opening. Lesson learnt for next time.

I will eventually try and post a few pictures of what I've done. I'm having to come up with all sorts of unattractive and non-ideal ways of velvetting everything from return air ducts to door hinges to keep them out of of the viewer's eye.
post #385 of 721
I was going to offer to buy someone's left over Protostar. I need one or two rolls of 15' X 30" but I just saw online that you can order it by the inch. Very nice!
Edited by acwebs - 9/23/13 at 7:20am
post #386 of 721
I just ordered a 12 inch by 30 inch piece from Canada, the US store wasn't answering the phone. The cost was trivial with shipping far outweighing the purchase cost $6.72 cents. I need to touch up a few strips on my ceiling gris that have lost their adhesive power over the years.
post #387 of 721
I have used felt material and used fabric glue to attach it to the walls. It is slightly less black than velvet material but it still does a great job and was easy to attach to the walls. I left my ceiling very dark blue. Once can cover the seams with molding that can be painted with flat black paint. I have also used several sound panels from the following company.

http://www.acoustimac.com/acoustic-panels/?pid=5&gclid=CNDG3pPaw7kCFctr7AodJVMALg

I used Burgundy color which match my seats. I was afraid that this would distract from the black walls but it is no problem since the panels also have very dark fabric.

I will try to post a picture soon.
post #388 of 721
Nice job guys I just bought some black velvet curtains from wallmart and made some frames and stapeled the curtain and looks like a acustic panel, I put them all around the screen and on side walls, looks nice and made a huge difference in the sound. I need to put some on the ceiling and was just thinking on just hanging a curtain all along the back wall and man that will be dark.

I use Velcro to mount the panels. Going to suck if I ever have to take the Velcro off the wall lol.

Anyways how should I do the ceiling? I was just thinking on rolling some glue on the ceiling then sticking the curtain to the glue.
post #389 of 721
I ordered a few boxes of the 12x12 black berber carpet tiles from HD, it takes about a week to arrive.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202024154?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202024154&R=202024154#.UkHBxhDzF3F

I'll post some feedback when they arrive. I like the DIY aspect, but need to make sure that the tiles look uniform and relatively seamless when installed.
post #390 of 721
You are now pretty much there from my assessment of what you needed to do when everything was all white when I visited you. But you have one more thing to do. You need to refelt that pool table from green to black. smile.gif

BTW. When they replaced by leg cast with a walking boot, I requested that it be black and they complied. Unfortunately it has some chrome belt loops that are killing the fecal out of my ANSI contrast. So I cover myself with a black blanket with holes cut out for my eyes, ears, and nose.
Edited by mark haflich - 9/24/13 at 11:18am
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