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post #1 of 9
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Looking to upgrade and wanted to receive some feedback. I almost pulled the trigger on a product but again just wanted to get some additional thoughts from end users before I do. I don’t want to over think this, but don’t want to regret buying something I didn’t plan or account for later. From what I can tell, most of the products in their respective price points are pretty equal and would probably be happy with any of them.

Anyway, my goals are mainly music (80/20), at least as to what’s most important. If I can dial in the music, then HT should be good. I also like the bass hot and listen on the louder end (-15 to -10).
- My space is just under 1,800 cubic ft and is open to the sides (hallways). Although the MLP is on the long wall and no free area behind.
- 5.1 system – Marantz 6006, mac mini with iTunes, Panny 55S1, BD, KEF IQ90, IQ60, PL200 sub, surrounds etc.
- Subwoofer size is a constraint and more than likely will place the sub(s) to the left and right of the MLP. The only way they would fit up front is to replace my current “entertainment center” and get a narrow type of rack to only hold the AV gear and no media. Probably not gonna happen at this point.



I initially was going to go with one sub in the $700 range but now I’m thinking dual’s in the $1500 range (don’t want to go over that). Something like the VTF- 15 is too big and I’m leaning towards PSA or Rythmik. Specifically, I’m pretty set on two XS15’s but wondering if say two F12’s or one F15HP or one ULS15 is maybe a consideration. However two decent subs appear to be better than one “better” sub

Without having experimenting with different subs over the years as others have, it’s a bit difficult as I don’t have a reference point.

Anyway thanks for any assistance.
post #2 of 9
Dual subs will give you the advantages of smoothing some room modes, giving you a smoother frequency response at the MLP and across a wider seating area (with proper placement).

I have 2 XS15s in my ~3600 cubic foot living room (front placement) and they are amazing subs. I am, however, planning to get a third (and maybe a fourth) sub to place nearfield to our 2 MLPs to give me the "shake your bones" bass that I crave. biggrin.gif

I think dual XS15s in a room your size, with the nearfield placement you are planning, will undoubtedly rock your world. wink.gif
post #3 of 9
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Originally Posted by Ratamacue View Post

Looking to upgrade and wanted to receive some feedback. I almost pulled the trigger on a product but again just wanted to get some additional thoughts from end users before I do. I don’t want to over think this, but don’t want to regret buying something I didn’t plan or account for later. From what I can tell, most of the products in their respective price points are pretty equal and would probably be happy with any of them.

Anyway, my goals are mainly music (80/20), at least as to what’s most important. If I can dial in the music, then HT should be good. I also like the bass hot and listen on the louder end (-15 to -10).
- My space is just under 1,800 cubic ft and is open to the sides (hallways). Although the MLP is on the long wall and no free area behind.
- 5.1 system – Marantz 6006, mac mini with iTunes, Panny 55S1, BD, KEF IQ90, IQ60, PL200 sub, surrounds etc.
- Subwoofer size is a constraint and more than likely will place the sub(s) to the left and right of the MLP. The only way they would fit up front is to replace my current “entertainment center” and get a narrow type of rack to only hold the AV gear and no media. Probably not gonna happen at this point.

I initially was going to go with one sub in the $700 range but now I’m thinking dual’s in the $1500 range (don’t want to go over that). Something like the VTF- 15 is too big and I’m leaning towards PSA or Rythmik. Specifically, I’m pretty set on two XS15’s but wondering if say two F12’s or one F15HP or one ULS15 is maybe a consideration. However two decent subs appear to be better than one “better” sub

Without having experimenting with different subs over the years as others have, it’s a bit difficult as I don’t have a reference point.

Anyway thanks for any assistance.

I would go with the two XS-15's.
post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks Alan and ack_bk (you're in my neck of the woods!).

I am interested in the Rythmik's and the size of two F15's would work (almost identical to the XS15) but hard to say if they're $500 "better" than two XS15's. Typical problem in many threads it seems (e.g. the cost).

I'll have to ponder this a bit more. Decisions, decisions...Ooy.
post #5 of 9
OP solid subs you are looking at. Great performance and top notch value.

FYi the Rythmiks offer a 10% multi-sub discount and PSA offers 5%.

I say go for the servo, especially being heavily geared toward music. No wrong choice in your list though.
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

OP solid subs you are looking at. Great performance and top notch value.

FYi the Rythmiks offer a 10% multi-sub discount and PSA offers 5%.

I say go for the servo, especially being heavily geared toward music. No wrong choice in your list though.

Agreed that with either one, I'm sure I would be happy with and I guess it comes down to just doing it and going from there - that's the only way to get experience under your belt.

Although, I have to continue reading up some more on single v.s. dual. Which of course there are a zillion points of view on that alone.rolleyes.gif I mean it doubles the cost and much of the consensus is to get two even if it is a lesser one. But I digress.

On the Rythmik's - I see they offer two drivers models in the 15" size as well as a more powerful amp. Are the driver differences minimal or is one much more preferred over the other? I might be able to do dual F15's but just don't know if its worth the cost. Although I will say that I do have some localization with my current sub and would like to clean that issue up. I think much of it is that I crank up the level because audyssey sets it so low My settings:
low.http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/60540#post_23063756

I'm also pretty limited to placement and two subs are almost surely going to go to the right and left of the MLP +/-
post #7 of 9
Check out the Martin Logan Grotto i. Lotta bump for $1500
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by dsovern View Post

Check out the Martin Logan Grotto i. Lotta bump for $1500

$1500 for a 10" sub? No thank you.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by Ratamacue View Post

Agreed that with either one, I'm sure I would be happy with and I guess it comes down to just doing it and going from there - that's the only way to get experience under your belt.

Although, I have to continue reading up some more on single v.s. dual. Which of course there are a zillion points of view on that alone.rolleyes.gif I mean it doubles the cost and much of the consensus is to get two even if it is a lesser one. But I digress.

On the Rythmik's - I see they offer two drivers models in the 15" size as well as a more powerful amp. Are the driver differences minimal or is one much more preferred over the other? I might be able to do dual F15's but just don't know if its worth the cost. Although I will say that I do have some localization with my current sub and would like to clean that issue up. I think much of it is that I crank up the level because audyssey sets it so low My settings:
low.http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/60540#post_23063756

I'm also pretty limited to placement and two subs are almost surely going to go to the right and left of the MLP +/-
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