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post #481 of 1754
I'd bet that draw distance is purposely limited, and quite honestly, with good reason. A decent jet pilot could obliterate an entire team in one to two runs if the DD were doubled. As a pilot, it's frustrating, but as a daywalker, it would be even more so to get wiped out every time you stepped outside of some cover. I don't really expect it to change much, regardless of technology advancements, at least for Battlefield.
post #482 of 1754
yeah most of the crazy jet rape videos on YouTube are PC. Then again I am glad I don't have to deal with 32 angry stinger grumps when I start pissing off the other team!

And for BF3 jet - just use guided missile to find your targets, then fly in their general direction smile.gif
post #483 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

Doesn't upscaling mean processing is happening, which takes time, which equals input lag...even if minuscule?

Yep. Although nowadays it can be so minuscule it's imperceptible.
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My tv has "game mode", but it's still upscaling, or is the ps3 upscaling?

Depends on what resolutions you set the PS3 for, and which game you're playing. Game mode doesn't cease scaling...there's other processing it can disable that take add input lag. Scaling is essential.
post #484 of 1754
So hypotetically spoken if BF4 will be 720p would it be better to set the PS4 to 1080p to do the scaling or let the TV do it? I always assumed the first would produce better results and that's how I run BF3 on the Xbox360.
post #485 of 1754
Set the PS4 to scale, the internal scaler should be very fast and designed for games, just like the one in the 360.
post #486 of 1754
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

I'd bet that draw distance is purposely limited, and quite honestly, with good reason. A decent jet pilot could obliterate an entire team in one to two runs if the DD were doubled. As a pilot, it's frustrating, but as a daywalker, it would be even more so to get wiped out every time you stepped outside of some cover. I don't really expect it to change much, regardless of technology advancements, at least for Battlefield.

Unless there is an artificial limitation, I bet draw distance will have a significant improvement. Video cards from what 2005\2006 timeframe vs the ones we have now? Add in 8 cores and 8 GB of RAM and there is plenty of computational power. Another consideration is with the speed of jets your redrawing things a lot faster which means a lot more calculations per second which again on ancient hardware is difficult to achieve.

You and I were talking about line of sight one day. I firmly believe there needs to be some sort of limitation of how far you can actually see someone spotted. Its a game, but just spamming the spot button should not enable you to see someone a mile away and pop up a dorito. Unless your using optics. Jets should be able to see ground targets at least but maybe not spot until their in a certain range.
post #487 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

Is that why I can never see infantry from the jet? I assume it was by design, I never would have guessed it was from no 1080.

Maybe, maybe not. I know with me I just have a very hard time picking out things on the ground and things in the air against similar colored backgrounds. A bump in resolution IMO would go a long way to helping me quickly pick out those blended units without spotters, radar perks, or needed to get under them and have them against the sky.

From the rounds of BF3 I've played on PC at higher resolutions, I've found it much easier for me to pick out moment because of the higher resolution. Makes seeing movement and differences much more in contrast with the environment.
post #488 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Spanglo View Post

Ah, 720P mad.gif Weak sauce. That makes me want to go PC now.
You don't know the true power of the dark side my friend.

-Honestly I'll probably pick up whichever one most of you guys get. Console for me is strictly an easy hop on and play with regulars thing. Which is what it should be IMO. How fast can I get into a game. basically.
post #489 of 1754
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Set the PS4 to scale, the internal scaler should be very fast and designed for games, just like the one in the 360.

I don't know where to find the option on either console. What I have found seems to do with upscaling SD games.
post #490 of 1754
hopefully they make jets obey the laws of physics in BF4. that way this whole draw distance arguement is pointless
post #491 of 1754
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You don't know the true power of the dark side my friend.

-Honestly I'll probably pick up whichever one most of you guys get. Console for me is strictly an easy hop on and play with regulars thing. Which is what it should be IMO. How fast can I get into a game. basically.

I think most of us will go the PS4 route. biggrin.gif
post #492 of 1754
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I think most of us will go the PS4 route. biggrin.gif


Plenty of time before release to be swayed in either direction.
post #493 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

hopefully they make jets obey the laws of physics in BF4. that way this whole draw distance arguement is pointless

Watcha mean? Planes can't bounce off trees and keep going?
post #494 of 1754
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Watcha mean? Planes can't bounce off trees and keep going?


Trail defies the laws of physics.
post #495 of 1754
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Originally Posted by emartins View Post

Plenty of time before release to be swayed in either direction.

If you want to play on launch day, you can't take the gamble there will be consoles available.
post #496 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

If you want to play on launch day, you can't take the gamble there will be consoles available.

No but you can preorder both systems with no cost to you right now. Cancel the system you don't want later or cancel both if you want to wait.
post #497 of 1754
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Trail defies the laws of physics.

I'm hoping this is just a teaser for what I can expect when I become a col 100. I'm going to be very depressed if I don't get the power to do hair pin turns with jets off of trees, have missiles bounce off my reactive armored jets and choppers, and finally be able to front knife everyone!
post #498 of 1754
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Originally Posted by hsv View Post

I'm hoping this is just a teaser for what I can expect when I become a col 100. I'm going to be very depressed if I don't get the power to do hair pin turns with jets off of trees, have missiles bounce off my reactive armored jets and choppers, and finally be able to front knife everyone!

Hopefully, you won't get the "cheater perks" that I got, even before I got to L100...Neon Yellow Pimp Camo, Weak(er) Ankle Mod, Suicide Chance 10X Multiplier, ECM Nullifier, Flare Killer, Girly Grenade Toss, Bullet Damage Reduction, Analog Drift Enhancer, Headshot Magnet, Invisible Light Pole Generator, and Random Blueberry Douchebag Squad Matchmaker!
post #499 of 1754
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

Hopefully, you won't get the "cheater perks" that I got, even before I got to L100...Neon Yellow Pimp Camo, Weak(er) Ankle Mod, Suicide Chance 10X Multiplier, ECM Nullifier, Flare Killer, Girly Grenade Toss, Bullet Damage Reduction, Analog Drift Enhancer, Headshot Magnet, Invisible Light Pole Generator, and Random Blueberry Douchebag Squad Matchmaker!


I am most jealous of the Neon Yellow Pimp Camo.

Whatever happened to your clown suit?


post #500 of 1754
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Originally Posted by lordxar5 View Post

Watcha mean? Planes can't bounce off trees and keep going?

well there is that and the air stalls and the nose dives to right angle take offs to the flying so slow you are barely moving
Edited by Sibuna - 6/28/13 at 3:11pm
post #501 of 1754
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Originally Posted by emartins View Post

I am most jealous of the Neon Yellow Pimp Camo.

Whatever happened to your clown suit?



Now I have this image burned in my mind, coming up each time when I hear Spyder! lol
post #502 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

well, obviously people are going to keep chatting about the PS4 (and understandibly so) so here goes...
If you don't have any assumptions/guess already, you'll be waiting till mid-October where news hits the mainstream. rumors > leaks > forum > tech news > mainstream news
If the logic is based on following "the PS3 did not do better with multi-platforms, therefore the PS4 won't either" it would be flawed, since the architecture differences of the PS3 & 360 are apples and oranges.
What Spyder is saying, and you have to look at what he is saying pragmatically, is because the architecture is identical this time, the better hardware will perform better, there is no reason for it not to. There's no grand scheme or conspiracy theory and secret handshakes. DICE is not going to purposefully spend 1000s of man hours dumming down the graphics for the PS4 code so it looks worse than it will simply by default. Spyder was saying the architeture is identical, which means you could take both consoles, rip out the proprietary OS software, install Windows 7 and BF4 on both, and the one with 7GB GDDR5 RAM and the Radeon 7870 GPU is going to be better over the console with 5GB GDDR3 RAM and Radeon 7790 GPU. "Which is better, faster or slower? It's not that complicated." (AT&T commercial showing how kids can point to faster)

This is AVS, which means tech matters, and the best tech is the PS4, that is not speculation. "The PS4 controller will feel better in your hands because of the redesign" is speculation that I won't stand behind as of now.
Only problem is, the stand-alone console is ONLY available in-store at gamestop for pre-order, and they will eventually run out. You can pre-order a bundle with games currently online, but it is pure speculation from the employees as to how long they are available.

If you don't want to trade in your consoles yet the best advice is to put $100 down to reserve a pre-order and DO NOT renew/buy PUR Pro until you are ready to use the 50% extra trade-in coupon, as the coupon expires after 60 days, which means you could not have a console for months leading up to release.
My brother also loathes the PS3 controller; he is not a fanboy of anything. I sent him this article, for what it's worth. I fully admit it is speculation as to if you can enjoy an updated controller. The value to all of us is still speculation on most of the changes and news from the new consoles.
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/side-by-side-ps4-gamepad-vs-ps3-gamepad-1161094

Sooooo late to the party on this one but after seeing the mini back and forth between Spyder and Cavit prior to this post - I immediately thought of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzBmQMyYDBk
post #503 of 1754
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

Sooooo late to the party on this one but after seeing the mini back and forth between Spyder and Cavit prior to this post - I immediately thought of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzBmQMyYDBk

that is epic, as will our teamwork be on BF4 cause I'm an awesome team player.
post #504 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

that is epic, as will our teamwork be on BF4 cause I'm an awesome team player.

I like to put C4 spinners on a jeep and drive around until I get RPG'd.
post #505 of 1754
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

that is epic, as will our teamwork be on BF4 cause I'm an awesome team player.

Me too. So looking forward to kicking ass with the AVS crew...on PS4, of course! smile.gif
post #506 of 1754
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Originally Posted by spyder696969 View Post

Me too. So looking forward to kicking ass with the AVS crew...on PS4, of course! smile.gif

Pssssh, PS4 is played out brah! Xbone 4lyfe!
post #507 of 1754
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

Pssssh, PS4 is played out brah! Xbone 4lyfe!

I always liked you El Dude
post #508 of 1754
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Originally Posted by coyote_5 View Post

Pssssh, PS4 is played out brah! Xbone 4lyfe!

Never knew you were such a huge The Price Is Right fan. eek.gif

Nothing like Live TV to take you back to what it felt like living in 1954! tongue.gif


Looks like MS just got their first sponsored ads:







all Xbone owners should be sure to watch live TV paired with the perfect match for the One:





And speaking of The Price Is Right, MS just released a trailer for their first exclusive TV show:






Welcome...to the world of tomorrow!
post #509 of 1754
Well to move this thread out of June 2013, does anybody know when the darn beta for BF4 will be available? If you have beta access on one platform, is there any chance of getting it as well on all platforms for free, lol?

Also I watched this a week or so ago. Kind of interesting about leaving your tablet next to you to be able to see a large map with current information about friendlies, foes and bases. Also some other interesting features like being able to find a new server while in game. Not too keen on the idea of associating your geographical location with BF4 battlog stats, but it could be kind of funny.

Guess I need a tablet now. Well I already knew that, though.

I've yet to visit the Playstation section. Am I in the wrong section or something?
post #510 of 1754
Hasn't been much new news. You ever decide what console your getting MPH?
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