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post #1141 of 6898
Was curious if anyone has tried the following configuration, I tested it and was unable to get it to work but didn't have time to troubleshoot it, logically it seems as though this should work.

Main Zone (Theater) - Verizon FiOS playing over HDMI
-Input Assign CBL/SAT HDMI 1

Zone 2 (Bar) - Have the TV on showing FiOS but have music playing from Sonos
-Input Assign Component 1 (component from FiOS box) and Optical 2 (connection from Sonos device)
-Zone 2 Output, HDMI to Bar TV

My thought to use Component was so that I could use the Sonos for Audio, because with HDMI I couldn't use a different Audio source. So I figured when I wanted TV and Music I would use that input and get the video via the Component feed to the receiver and then have it up-converted/transferred from the receiver to the TV. The FiOS box has all outputs active.

The problem is that no video is displayed on the Zone 2 TV. Is this because Zone 2 will not pass the Component Signal? Or is there something else?

Was curious if anyone had any thoughts or ideas.

Thanks,
-Dennis
post #1142 of 6898
the e400 has AirPlay for music, but i can't see anything about streaming Video or photos. does the unit support this?
post #1143 of 6898
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

At average TV listening volume levels (eg. -30db), there should be no issue driving 4-ohm speakers, however, the unit may shut down in protection mode as the master volume approaches -10db (eg. for movies), although not as likely with only 2 speakers in the setup. The 4520CI is designed to power 4-ohm speakers and should be able to handle a full 7.1 setup at reference level (ie. 0db) volume levels without external amplification while the lower X models are not which is why they will generally shut down at some point prior to reaching 0db. Also keep in mind the X4000 has a full set of pre-outs should you need to add any external amplification.

Hmmm... I sort of wish I could just get the X4000 as a pre and not even pay for the amps, just adding as I go. I don't listen to stuff too loud usually, but I would rather have the capability. So X4000 + external amps, some other pre/pro combo or 4520ci?
post #1144 of 6898
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Originally Posted by jimmyhopps View Post

the e400 has AirPlay for music, but i can't see anything about streaming Video or photos. does the unit support this?

I don't know of any receivers which stream video. Usually a separate device is needed to do that; a Blu-ray player, for example.

The E400 can display still images from network servers or USB drives, but apparently only if they're in JPEG format. Its owners manual mentions only JPEG on pages 27,48 and 50, for example. GIF and PNG are not mentioned at all.
post #1145 of 6898
just called denon and they confirm they do not. seems like a logical thing to have an AVR do however (much more logical than streaming photos to a tv). would save $99 on the Apple TV or other unit.
post #1146 of 6898
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Originally Posted by jimmyhopps View Post

just called denon and they confirm they do not. seems like a logical thing to have an AVR do however (much more logical than streaming photos to a tv). would save $99 on the Apple TV or other unit.
There is a great deal of redundancy in the marketplace for DLNA streaming, and playback of files on connected storage. AVR vendors don't see any requirement to duplicate what a HDTV or a BD player can provide in the way of receiving streamed video or images. If you need some of the features that Apple TV offers just get one, as Airplay Mirroring will never be part of a Denon AVR.
post #1147 of 6898
It's been my understanding that Apply won't license the features of Airplay beyond only the audio streaming feature. For everything else - video, pictures, etc - you need to get a "Full" Apple TV unit.
post #1148 of 6898
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyhopps View Post

just called denon and they confirm they do not. seems like a logical thing to have an AVR do however (much more logical than streaming photos to a tv). would save $99 on the Apple TV or other unit.

It's not about the receivers, it's about Apple refusing to license the video streaming portion of Airplay to non-Apple devices.
post #1149 of 6898
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Originally Posted by mvolps22 View Post

I was set on buying a refurbished avr-1713 for ~$280 but with a new E300 on sale for $250 I'm wondering if that's the way to go instead? From what I can tell they are pretty similar with the 1713 providing slightly more power and the E-300 has the new binding posts. Will they accept banana plugs? Can anyone recommend one over the other? Thanks!

Where can you find the E300 for 250? I can't find it for less than 399?
post #1150 of 6898
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by denm316 View Post

Was curious if anyone has tried the following configuration, I tested it and was unable to get it to work but didn't have time to troubleshoot it, logically it seems as though this should work.

Main Zone (Theater) - Verizon FiOS playing over HDMI
-Input Assign CBL/SAT HDMI 1

Zone 2 (Bar) - Have the TV on showing FiOS but have music playing from Sonos
-Input Assign Component 1 (component from FiOS box) and Optical 2 (connection from Sonos device)
-Zone 2 Output, HDMI to Bar TV

My thought to use Component was so that I could use the Sonos for Audio, because with HDMI I couldn't use a different Audio source. So I figured when I wanted TV and Music I would use that input and get the video via the Component feed to the receiver and then have it up-converted/transferred from the receiver to the TV. The FiOS box has all outputs active.

The problem is that no video is displayed on the Zone 2 TV. Is this because Zone 2 will not pass the Component Signal? Or is there something else?

Was curious if anyone had any thoughts or ideas.

Thanks,
-Dennis

Which receiver do you have? Since you mention Zone 2 HDMI it has to be an X3000 or an X4000 right?

The first thing is that there is no conversion or processing for the Zone 2 HDMI output. It's just an HDMI matrix switch so only HDMI inputs will pass through. That means no component video, and no optical audio. So you can actually just disconnect the component cable completely, and pass the HDMI feed to the Zone 2 display.
post #1151 of 6898
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Originally Posted by tknx View Post

Hmmm... I sort of wish I could just get the X4000 as a pre and not even pay for the amps, just adding as I go. I don't listen to stuff too loud usually, but I would rather have the capability. So X4000 + external amps, some other pre/pro combo or 4520ci?

A nice used external amp for the mains plus an x4000 is still much less expensive than a 4520. I just picked up a used B+K for mine. Sounds great.
post #1152 of 6898
I think I will just pull the trigger on the x4000. I just can't find a good enough deal on the 4520ci to make it worth the jump ($1000 price difference is just too much...). And I haven't had any luck sourcing a 4311ci anywhere.
post #1153 of 6898
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Originally Posted by tknx View Post

I think I will just pull the trigger on the x4000. I just can't find a good enough deal on the 4520ci to make it worth the jump ($1000 price difference is just too much...). And I haven't had any luck sourcing a 4311ci anywhere.

Have you called AVS?
post #1154 of 6898
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

It's not about the receivers, it's about Apple refusing to license the video streaming portion of Airplay to non-Apple devices.
Airplay mirroring is strictly limited to a Apple TV as a video source to your home theater. Its not about Apple refusing to license video streaming. There are specific hardware requirements. There are a few alternatives to Airplay Mirroring as you know. AVRs are meant to handle audio not video as far as receiving content. Airplay works by allowing the Denon AVR or equivalent to be seen as a remote speaker for audio.
post #1155 of 6898
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

Have you called AVS?

Yep - in-state so sales tax kills a lot of the deal (which was great btw). Tried Electronics Expo and they wouldn't match the offer.
post #1156 of 6898
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Originally Posted by tknx View Post

I think I will just pull the trigger on the x4000. I just can't find a good enough deal on the 4520ci to make it worth the jump ($1000 price difference is just too much...). And I haven't had any luck sourcing a 4311ci anywhere.

Crutchfield has the 4311CI for $1599.99, and it's in stock.

Edit: Free shipping and lifetime tech support.
post #1157 of 6898
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Originally Posted by PepperOne View Post

Crutchfield has the 4311CI for $1599.99, and it's in stock.

Edit: Free shipping and lifetime tech support.

I am actually thinking about going the A4L route and just getting a refurb 4520ci.
post #1158 of 6898
PaulsTV had E300 for $250 this past weekend.
I don't know when their sales expires.

Also last weekend, Fry's had E400 for $299 sale priced
for the second time in a month.
Edited by Shop per - 7/8/13 at 12:21pm
post #1159 of 6898
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Originally Posted by tknx View Post

I think I will just pull the trigger on the x4000. I just can't find a good enough deal on the 4520ci to make it worth the jump ($1000 price difference is just too much...). And I haven't had any luck sourcing a 4311ci anywhere.
You can get a refurb 4520 from Denon for $1600 see this webpage. Note only a 1 year warranty. Any issues and you can send it back to Denon.
post #1160 of 6898
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not likely no as there is no signal redirection to the pre-outs as there is with the speaker posts (ie. no signal would be directed to the SBL/SBR or FWL/FWH pre-outs as you would have neither selected). frown.gif

Yup, you were correct. I sent Denon an email to see what they say about "Amp Assign" and using preouts with 5.1ch + Front B or 7.1 ch/2ch config.
post #1161 of 6898
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Originally Posted by jimmyhopps View Post

the e400 has AirPlay for music, but i can't see anything about streaming Video or photos. does the unit support this?

AFAIK, Apple has yet to license video capability to any AVR mfr that features Airplay on its units.
post #1162 of 6898
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Originally Posted by PepperOne View Post

Crutchfield has the 4311CI for $1599.99, and it's in stock.

Edit: Free shipping and lifetime tech support.

For the price of an X4000 and its additional feature set, I'd compare very closely whether any of the features on the 4311CI were required over the X4000 as that would be the only reason to pay the hiked up cost for the 4311CI (as the unit was offered for $200 less by several vendors while still in stock ever since it was first released back in Oct 2010).
post #1163 of 6898
Hi,

Does anyone know at what rate the X4000's Spotify client streams at? With the PC client and the iPhone client you can choose the stream at:

Normal
High
Extreme

I can find no such setting in the x4000.

Any idea as to what it is or how I could find out. With the unit hard wired, I would hope its extreme, but have no idea.
Thanks for the help
Ron
post #1164 of 6898
I didn't see it on the X4000 product page, but found this on the 3313 page. I assume it is the same for the X4000.

For users with Spotify Premium accounts, the AVR-3313CI offers direct access to more than 18 million music tracks. Spotify streams music content with a high-quality 320 Kbps bitrate, offering high-fidelity listening through your home-audio system.
post #1165 of 6898
It's been reported that both the 4520CI and the X4000 are able to set Audyssey Dynamic Volume to ON while leaving Dynamic EQ set to OFF (which is a first in the D&M line at least). Can any lower model owners confirm whether this is possible on their units as well? Thanks.
post #1166 of 6898
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Which receiver do you have? Since you mention Zone 2 HDMI it has to be an X3000 or an X4000 right?

The first thing is that there is no conversion or processing for the Zone 2 HDMI output. It's just an HDMI matrix switch so only HDMI inputs will pass through. That means no component video, and no optical audio. So you can actually just disconnect the component cable completely, and pass the HDMI feed to the Zone 2 display.


I am testing at home with both an X3000 and X4000.

I did not know there was no up-conversion on Zone 2.

What I was trying to figure out was a way to have HDMI video on the Zone 2 TV, but have music playing (from Sonos) on the Zone 2 speakers. I can do an Input Assign on HDMI1 and Optical 2, but whenever the HDMI signal starts it plays that sound rather then the music over Optical 2. When I kill the HDMI source the Optical 2 music strats playing again right away.

Any thoughts on how to get them both at once?
post #1167 of 6898
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It's been reported that both the 4520CI and the X4000 are able to set Audyssey Dynamic Volume to ON while leaving Dynamic EQ set to OFF (which is a first in the D&M line at least). Can any lower model owners confirm whether this is possible on their units as well? Thanks.

I would be much much much more happy if they would allow to use Tone controls with DEQ enabled, like it is done with Onkyos...
post #1168 of 6898
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It's been reported that both the 4520CI and the X4000 are able to set Audyssey Dynamic Volume to ON while leaving Dynamic EQ set to OFF (which is a first in the D&M line at least). Can any lower model owners confirm whether this is possible on their units as well? Thanks.

I'll check later.

edit: it looks like it is pretty well verified by Batpig and others over in the 4520 thread that the X4000 does behave this way.
Edited by rec head - 7/9/13 at 8:39am
post #1169 of 6898
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

I would be much much much more happy if they would allow to use Tone controls with DEQ enabled, like it is done with Onkyos...

AFAIK it does work, it's just the controls that are disabled.
you can disable DEQ, modify tone, enable DEQ again and to me it sounds like the changes it tone section are working...
post #1170 of 6898
Thread Starter 
I'm not so sure of that, it can be difficult to judge small tonality changes by ear with Dyn EQ engaged. The audio memory is pretty short and in the time it takes to disengage Dyn EQ, adjust the tone, and reengage Dyn EQ, you could easily be subject to some placebo effect.

I would want to see somebody check with actual measurements to confirm.
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