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Originally Posted by William K View Post

Does anyone know what would be the best way to hook up my old analog headphone amp to my x4000? I know I could just use the headphone jack but I was using the amp with my old B&K and it sounds nice with my Sennheiser phones. I was using my WDTV media player before and tried to hook it up to the Denon via the media player analog out jacks as pg.130 of the manual and I get no sound. I get sound from the speakers as I have it hooked to the media player analog input number 4 and dissabled the HDMI in the input assignment field in the menu.

William


You should be able to connect the amp to any of the analog output jacks to include Media Player or Zone 2 or Zone 3 pre-outs.

HDMI Audio (p. 194 OM) --> "PCM" (Zone 2 pre-out)
HDMI audio - All Zone Stereo (p. 111 OM) ---> PCM 2.0 (Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs)
PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax ---> Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs

On older models the analog output would mirror the Zone 2 pre-out, although not sure if that holds true for the 4000 and if not.
post #1202 of 6985
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Originally Posted by cyberbrad View Post

Unboxing my X4000. The mic has a black dot (sticker?) on top. Do I need to leave it there or is it a felt pad that needs to stay? It is off center, as you can see in the pic. So if it serves a purpose, I wish it had been applied with more care.

I checked with the Audyssey folks, their recommendation was to just leave the "dust cover" as is rather than adjusting it.
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^^^does it serve any purpose?
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It's been reported that both the 4520CI and the X4000 are able to set Audyssey Dynamic Volume to ON while leaving Dynamic EQ set to OFF (which is a first in the D&M line at least). Can any lower model owners confirm whether this is possible on their units as well? Thanks.

I checked with the Audyssey folks, turns out there's never been an issue with Dynamic Volume playing without Dynamic EQ also being enabled, rather simply just a matter of how the mfr chooses to implement the two settings (just as some Onkyo's can set Dyn EQ to ON without Audyssey being enabled).
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

^^^does it serve any purpose?

"Dust cover" to protect the tip.
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Thanks
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

I hook my old Sony to my analog headphone amp up via the pre-outs, but there is a speaker on/off switch. Perhaps you could use the zone 2 or 3 outs.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You should be able to connect the amp to any of the analog output jacks to include Media Player or Zone 2 or Zone 3 pre-outs.

HDMI Audio (p. 194 OM) --> "PCM" (Zone 2 pre-out)
HDMI audio - All Zone Stereo (p. 111 OM) ---> PCM 2.0 (Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs)
PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax ---> Zone 2 or 3 pre-outs

On older models the analog output would mirror the Zone 2 pre-out, although not sure if that holds true for the 4000 and if not.

Got it going by using zone 2 via HDMI input , Thanks for the help
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

I checked with the Audyssey folks, their recommendation was to just leave the "dust cover" as is rather than adjusting it.

Thanks jdsmoothie!
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Had my first lock up on my X4000 tonight. It was while listening to the integrated Pandora (after several hours). Receiver stopped playing audio and wouldn't respond to any button from remote or front panel. Had to kill power to it, wait a few seconds, and power back on. I had this same problem on my 2112 a few times in the past and it only ever happened when listening to integrated Pandora. Not sure if it ever happened on Internet radio or Airplay, but I'll pay more attention going forward. Firmware on both units kept up to date. It hasn't ever happened to me when I have been in my Directv, HTPC, or bluray inputs, even when being on them all day (all HDMI). No biggie, but would like to know who else here has experienced a lock up and, if so, what input you were on and how long had it been on that input.
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I have similar networking app "lock up" on 2 different e400s.
I unplug power cord and it frees the lock-up.
This discourages me in wanting to use the denon apps and to use iPad apps with AirPlay.
For 5 years, using Samsung and Panny bluray player apps...never once had a network lock-up.

Does anyone know if Sony, Onkyo, Pioneer have similar problem?
I'm still within my return window.

After many years for Pandora streaming app, etc, I figured Denon
and others should be able to do this with no issues in 2013.
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Anyone know the ATT Uverse remote code for the e400? I cant seem to get it to work.
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Forgive me if this was already stated, but on the X2000, the Line out for Zone 2 AND the assignable speakers for Zone 2 are not independantly volume controlled. last year, the line out was a fixed level while the speaker outs could be adjusted. Now they are Both tied together. Found out because customer had wired outdoor speakers with no volume control and needed a fixed line output for another zone. Had a 2112 which worked great because we needed volume control on the patio without affecting the other direct line out wired zone. 2113 died (bad network card) and Denon swapped out for a X2000. Now I cannot adjust patio volume without affecting the second line-wired zone as well. Also Cannot use second line-out zone with out the patio speakers playing. Had to install a tabletop niles VC for the patio. Not sure why they changed this but be aware..
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^^
Correct. Although Zone 2 variable volume control started with the 231XCI models in the past, this year it is featured on all "X" models.
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No changes against watts, or physical dimensions compared to AVR-2313 5.gif
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Need opinions between Denon X1000 ($449) vs Marantz 1504 ($499). I''m leaning toward the Marantz due to size and i've read it sounds warmer then Denon although Denon offers Audyssey MultEQ XT. I want to get the best sound quality possible in a $500 range. I have 2 B&W DM600 S3, Acoustech H-100 sub and need to purchase a center speaker. I will connect a PS3, DVR and soon to be new Panasonic TC-65PS64.

Any thoughts or equipment suggestions on how to make this a nice setup for mostly music, cartoons and occasional movie?
Edited by toast. - 7/12/13 at 1:30am
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^^
Boils down to your requirements as the X1000 will have the better audio fidelity with the higher version of Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as Zone 2 pre-outs whereas the 1504 features the slim profile and 2.1 pre-outs.
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Hello,

The X4000 looks like a fantastic product at a great price, but I've seen a few mentions of the X4520 on some UK sites. Is this just a case of mistaken information or does the X4520 really exist? A data sheet posted earlier in this thread points to the 4520CI, not the X4520.

Thanks,
Ken
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Thread Starter 
I'm pretty sure it's just people mistakenly conflating the 4520ci with the new naming nomenclature of the X series.
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I've been waiting for years to find a reasonably priced receiver with the Zone functionality and XT32 correction that I've been looking for and believe I've finally found it - woohoo! I can see there are some extremely well informed people on this thread (BP and JDS most notably) so I wanted to ask a few clarifying questions regarding zones. Reading through the thread answered most of my questions on audio but I'm still not clear on some video behavior.

1. If I have a 1080P display playing in the LR and I turn on a 720 display for zone 2 will the first display be down res'd to 720P (lowest common denominator)? I would think so since I understand this to be a matrix switch and understand that is the behavior of a matrix switch?
2. What about the monitor 2 output? Still lowest common denominator? I understand I'd be limited to the same source in this situation.
3. Does the monitor 2 output carry audio and video like the other HDMI outputs?
4. Regarding audio, if the main zone gets knocked down to PCM/Stereo (due to using 2 channel in zone 2 of same source) I assume I can still get the main zone to play this stereo signal in a matrixed output like Dolby PLII Cinema?

Thanks in advance!

Chris Brown
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Boils down to your requirements as the X1000 will have the better audio fidelity with the higher version of Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as Zone 2 pre-outs whereas the 1504 features the slim profile and 2.1 pre-outs.

I prefer sound quality -- thank you.

So its X1000 1 | Marantz 5164 0
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mchrisbrown View Post

I've been waiting for years to find a reasonably priced receiver with the Zone functionality and XT32 correction that I've been looking for and believe I've finally found it - woohoo! I can see there are some extremely well informed people on this thread (BP and JDS most notably) so I wanted to ask a few clarifying questions regarding zones. Reading through the thread answered most of my questions on audio but I'm still not clear on some video behavior.

1. If I have a 1080P display playing in the LR and I turn on a 720 display for zone 2 will the first display be down res'd to 720P (lowest common denominator)? I would think so since I understand this to be a matrix switch and understand that is the behavior of a matrix switch?
2. What about the monitor 2 output? Still lowest common denominator? I understand I'd be limited to the same source in this situation.
3. Does the monitor 2 output carry audio and video like the other HDMI outputs?
4. Regarding audio, if the main zone gets knocked down to PCM/Stereo (due to using 2 channel in zone 2 of same source) I assume I can still get the main zone to play this stereo signal in a matrixed output like Dolby PLII Cinema?

Thanks in advance!

Chris Brown


1. The "LCD" restriction only would be in effect if the SAME source is selected in both zones. The key is that the source sees two different HDMI "sinks" with differing capabilities in the chain, and will adjust appropriately. If you have main zone playing with the 1080p source and the 2nd zone is off or on a different HDMI input, it shouldn't be an issue. Also note that even if the other display is 720p it may still *accept* 1080p inputs, so might not cause a problem. It's not about the actual screen resolution of the display, but the input capabilities of what it can accept.

2 and 3. The main zone Monitor 1 + 2 outputs are identical (parallel) so can only output the same signal. As such, the same restriction will apply, since you don't have the option of sending two different sources. The Monitor 2 output will send the same thing as Monitor 1, so if you have the main zone set to pass video to the display but play audio through the speakers (HDMI AUDIO setting on AMP) then the same will apply to Monitor 2. In this case the output will be video only since the audio will have been stripped by the processor.

The HDMI Zone 2 output on the other hand is a pure passthrough, it's a separate path and no processing is done, so it will *always* send audio + video over the HDMI output.

4. Yes, of course, you can still apply whatever processing you want to the stereo signal in main zone.
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Big thanks for the quick reply. This is very useful to my planning and greatly appreciated. I have one follow up question to your answer on question 1. I thought just about any TV could accept whatever signal you feed it and then just scale to it's native resolution? If this is true then I should be able play 1080P in the main zone with 720P in Zone 2 with both using the same source?

Same question asked another way just to be sure I'm clear: Won't most 720 displays accept and process/scale a 1080 signal?

Thanks!
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Thread Starter 
Depends on how old it is. Many older 720p flat panels (technically they are usually 768p) or projectors didn't accept 1080p inputs, they were limited to 1080i/720p max. You will really have to look at the specifics of your display.
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Originally Posted by toast. View Post

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Boils down to your requirements as the X1000 will have the better audio fidelity with the higher version of Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as Zone 2 pre-outs whereas the 1504 features the slim profile and 2.1 pre-outs.

I prefer sound quality -- thank you.

So its X1000 1 | Marantz 5164 0

Don't forget that the prices you mention are list prices (despite Amazon claiming a 10% discount). You need to contact an authorized reseller directly in order to get the best pricing. Authorized dealers aren't allowed to publicize anything other than list prices, and Denon/Marantz will not honor the warranty if you buy from an unauthorized dealer.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Depends on how old it is. Many older 720p flat panels (technically they are usually 768p) or projectors didn't accept 1080p inputs, they were limited to 1080i/720p max. You will really have to look at the specifics of your display.

Well I actually haven't bought my zone 2 tv yet. I'm okay with something relatively small (32") and economical for the BR. Most of the economical TVs of this size have a resolution of 720P. Based on your recommendation I looked online at some TVs but they don't seem to list the input resolutions accepted. Maybe I'll just have to buy local so I can return if needed? Thanks again for all of you help.
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Hi--

I currently have a Pioneer VSX-1021-K that blew something due to lightning (no video out via HDMI or component...but sound works) and am considering a new Denon. I have a sub mounted in my wall (no amp) and am wondering if these amps can power a wired sub (not sub line out)? With my pioneer I had to use an RCA Y splitter to direct the output from the sub to the CD input, which is assignable to Zone2. I then connected my sub to the Surround Back/Zone2 speaker terminals. Can this be done with the Denon X2000 or the E400?



Also, Pioneer vs. Denon: opinions?

Thx much--
PP
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Originally Posted by mchrisbrown View Post

Well I actually haven't bought my zone 2 tv yet. I'm okay with something relatively small (32") and economical for the BR. Most of the economical TVs of this size have a resolution of 720P. Based on your recommendation I looked online at some TVs but they don't seem to list the input resolutions accepted. Maybe I'll just have to buy local so I can return if needed? Thanks again for all of you help.

You should be able to get the TV's max input resolution from the Owner manuals. My father's 5 year old Samsung 46" TV is only 720p and only accepts 1080i and lower, no 1080p.
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Originally Posted by ppmax View Post

Hi--

I currently have a Pioneer VSX-1021-K that blew something due to lightning (no video out via HDMI or component...but sound works) and am considering a new Denon. I have a sub mounted in my wall (no amp) and am wondering if these amps can power a wired sub (not sub line out)? With my pioneer I had to use an RCA Y splitter to direct the output from the sub to the CD input, which is assignable to Zone2. I then connected my sub to the Surround Back/Zone2 speaker terminals. Can this be done with the Denon X2000 or the E400?



Also, Pioneer vs. Denon: opinions?

Thx much--
PP

Can it be done? Sure. Is it recommended. Nope. AVR's are not designed to power a sub + speakers. A better option might be to connect the sub pre-out on the X2000 to the Pioneer's CD inputs and then connect the sub to the Pioneers FL/FR speaker posts.
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I am interested in getting an X2000. I have read that it does not feature wireless. That seems odd to me. This day in age, wifi seems such a standard technology. Anyway, I don't understand how airplay works if there is no wireless. Do I need Apple TV or something else as well? Or some other hardware. Not having used airplay before, I am having a little trouble understanding how it works. Ideally, I would like to be sitting on my deck (zone 2?) and stream pandora or play music from my ipod or iphone.
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Thanks to the extremely helpful people on this forum I believe I've designed a system that will allow me to set up audio/video throughout my house using the AVR-X4000. I wanted to run this by the bright folks here just to confirm that this should work and also to see if anyone has suggestions on a better method to accomplish my goals (which I'm thinking are fairly obvious from the diagram).
Any potential gotchas that anyone sees with what I'm trying to do? I believe I have a good understanding of how audio or video signals can be downgraded to the lowest common denominator with multi-zone use and can accept these limitations. But other than that am I missing anything?

One last question: Is it possible to output an HDMI source through speaker posts assigned to Zone2 and the Zone2 HDMI out at the same time? If so I have another option or two for my design.

Thanks in advance!
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