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Yup .. looks okay and IIRC a member has reported that the same HDMI audio was sent out via the Zone 2 HDMI and the Zone 2 speaker posts.
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Originally Posted by blackrain View Post

I am interested in getting an X2000. I have read that it does not feature wireless. That seems odd to me. This day in age, wifi seems such a standard technology. Anyway, I don't understand how airplay works if there is no wireless. Do I need Apple TV or something else as well? Or some other hardware. Not having used airplay before, I am having a little trouble understanding how it works. Ideally, I would like to be sitting on my deck (zone 2?) and stream pandora or play music from my ipod or iphone.

No wireless as in it requires another wireless router setup in "bridge" mode to wirelessly connect to the home's modem/wifi router, unlike the PS3 and smart TVs that have a built in wireless adapter. With the bridge router in place you can then use Airplay from your iphone to stream audio to the AVR.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465528/the-official-2013-denon-e-series-x-series-avr-model-owners-thread-faq/0_100#user_G
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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If you haven't already, please review post #2 of this thread to see a comparison of the different 2013 models and what features you gain by moving up to the next higher model.
"Official Batpig Advice: For most folks looking to step up from the X2000, it is probably worth it to jump all the way to the X4000 for the superior Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration and other upgraded features."
Is the above advice (for upgrading to x3000) specifically for someone upgrading from x2000 - what about someone who wants to upgrade from an older non-HDMI receiver? In general is the recommendation basically "go with x2000 or x4000 and skip x3000?"

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Yup .. looks okay and IIRC a member has reported that the same HDMI audio was sent out via the Zone 2 HDMI and the Zone 2 speaker posts.

Wow, awesome news. This really adds to the flexibility of the really great multi-zone options here. Based on this it looks like I could have the setup below:


This would allow me to get rid of my speaker selector switch and give me independent volume controls for my front deck and back deck for music. I assume this chart looks feasible? Thanks!
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Correct. What he is basically saying is that if you want more features than is offered by the X2000, AND your budget can afford the jump, skip the X3000 and go straight to the X4000 as the upgrade in audio quality going from XT (X1000,X2000,X3000) to XT32 (X4000) is much more pronounced than when going from MultEQ (E200,E300,E400) to XT. If the X2000 meets your feature/input/output requirements and is the high end of your budget, that would be an excellent model to choose as well. Note also that the rule of thumb is to spend roughly 1/4 - 1/2 the cost of your 5.1 setup on the AVR as it doesn't make much sense to purchase the X4000 when your 5.1 setup only costs $1000, rather you're much better served purchasing the X2000 and putting the savings into upgrading your speakers or adding a sub if you don't already use one. Also if you "call" Craig at AVScience Sales, you will get a great price on anyof these Denon models.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Can it be done? Sure. Is it recommended. Nope. AVR's are not designed to power a sub + speakers. A better option might be to connect the sub pre-out on the X2000 to the Pioneer's CD inputs and then connect the sub to the Pioneers FL/FR speaker posts.

Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.

>>AVR's are not designed to power a sub + speakers.
Im curious about this: why not? The sub is an 8ohm speaker, just like any other. To keep the WAF on the positive side I don't want to add another amp, more wires, more controls, etc...

thx
PP
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Correct. What he is basically saying is that if you want more features than is offered by the X2000, AND your budget can afford the jump, skip the X3000 and go straight to the X4000 as the upgrade in audio quality going from XT (X1000,X2000,X3000) to XT32 (X4000) is much more pronounced than when going from MultEQ (E200,E300,E400) to XT. If the X2000 meets your feature/input/output requirements and is the high end of your budget, that would be an excellent model to choose as well. Note also that the rule of thumb is to spend roughly 1/4 - 1/2 the cost of your 5.1 setup on the AVR as it doesn't make much sense to purchase the X4000 when your 5.1 setup only costs $1000, rather you're much better served purchasing the X2000 and putting the savings into upgrading your speakers or adding a sub if you don't already use one. Also if you "call" Craig at AVScience Sales, you will get a great price on anyof these Denon models.


Thanks! I have a decent setup. I have Boston Acoustics floor standing plus a center channel. Axiom audio for rear surrounds. And an HSU subwoofer. All of them, 8 or 9 years old. I will so a bit more research on the x4000. And also will call AVS sales to check out the price.
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Originally Posted by blackrain View Post

I am interested in getting an X2000. I have read that it does not feature wireless. That seems odd to me. This day in age, wifi seems such a standard technology. Anyway, I don't understand how airplay works if there is no wireless. Do I need Apple TV or something else as well? Or some other hardware. Not having used airplay before, I am having a little trouble understanding how it works. Ideally, I would like to be sitting on my deck (zone 2?) and stream pandora or play music from my ipod or iphone.
The denon needs to plug into a switch, hub, router or wireless bridge. Once it is connected to the network (with a wire), it works like anything else. You can then stream music from anything that supports AirPlay streaming from anywhere else that is connected to the same network (ie your iPhone, iPod, etc)
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New member here and looking for some help. I'm looking to upgrade my HT with a Sharp 80" 1080p, 3d TV and my current AVR is the Denon AVR-2807 7.1ch @ 110 wpc although I'm only running 5.1 and will likely stay 5.1. What am I giving up if stay with my current AVR? What would you recommend for a replacement to take full advantage of the new TV? I're read through the comparison posts and talked to Denon who recommended a refurbished ACR-2313 for $479. Any suggestions will be welcome, thanks.
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Does anyone know what the x4000 output voltage is for the preamp stage if used as a preamp?
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Originally Posted by woodyt74 View Post

New member here and looking for some help. I'm looking to upgrade my HT with a Sharp 80" 1080p, 3d TV and my current AVR is the Denon AVR-2807 7.1ch @ 110 wpc although I'm only running 5.1 and will likely stay 5.1. What am I giving up if stay with my current AVR? What would you recommend for a replacement to take full advantage of the new TV? I're read through the comparison posts and talked to Denon who recommended a refurbished ACR-2313 for $479. Any suggestions will be welcome, thanks.
Is there a pricing goal, as a discounted AVR-X4000 with Multi-EQ XT32 would add a ton of features that don't exist on your current AVR-2807. I would consider last year's AVR-3313 way over a AVR-2313 for the money spent, as last years AVR-3313 is heavily discounted, but for the money a AVR-X4000 is tough to beat.
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Originally Posted by ppmax View Post

Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.

>>AVR's are not designed to power a sub + speakers.
Im curious about this: why not? The sub is an 8ohm speaker, just like any other. To keep the WAF on the positive side I don't want to add another amp, more wires, more controls, etc...

thx
PP

A sub is generally rated for anywhere from 50W to over 1000W and so requires significantly more power than an 8-ohm speaker which is why you want to connect a "powered" sub to an AVR, otherwise you risk the AVR shutting down in protection mode.
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Originally Posted by woodyt74 View Post

New member here and looking for some help. I'm looking to upgrade my HT with a Sharp 80" 1080p, 3d TV and my current AVR is the Denon AVR-2807 7.1ch @ 110 wpc although I'm only running 5.1 and will likely stay 5.1. What am I giving up if stay with my current AVR? What would you recommend for a replacement to take full advantage of the new TV? I're read through the comparison posts and talked to Denon who recommended a refurbished ACR-2313 for $479. Any suggestions will be welcome, thanks.

The 2807 features the early version of MultEQ XT, but still MultEQ XT so not too much will likely be gained in audio fidelity going to another XT model (eg. 2313CI or 3313CI) except the addition of Audyssey Dyn EQ and Dynamic Volume and of course additional features, whereas as JohnAV suggests, if your budget can handle upgrading to the X4000 with MultEQ XT32, there should be a noticeable improvement in audio fidelity as it has 32x higher speaker filter resolution and 4x higher sub filter resolution than does XT. So it just depends on your max budget and what features you want/need as to whether upgrading to a newer model would prove beneficial for you. Note also that connecting an optical cable from the TV to the AVR will generally result in fewer headaches than trying to use the HDMI 1.4 ARC feature to return the smart app audio over the same HDMI cable that connects the AVR Monitor output to the TV, so unless you want to pass 3D video, no real benefit there with an HDMI 1.4 AVR.
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JohnAV, thanks for your response. It is less of a pricing or budget issue and more one of paying for features I don't need or use. However, the way the manufacturers set up their series and models, you usually need to take the bundled features to get the upscale core elements such as the heftier amp. It's the same thing with the Sharp models, to get the 240 hz native refresh rate you have to go up to the 3D models. So I'm looking for the balance of need, price and marginal value to obtain the best bang for my buck. I hope others chime in about your suggestion of the X4000 because there are many people on here far more knowledgeable than me. However, can you point me to an authorized online e-tailer for that price so I don't run into any warranty issues?
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^^
Read my post #1237 for Craig's info.
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Thanks, I have and made a note to call him on Monday because there was no real info online so I had no idea how good his prices are.
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I just upgraded from an AVR-989 (avr-2809) to the X-4000, and I can say its a huge improvement in sound quality. One thing I always had to adjust on the 989 was the audio delay with HDMI sources, since going to the X-4000, I have not had to adjust that one single time. (Yes, I know, that wont make a difference if you choose the 2000, 3000, 3313 or the 4000).
I really like the new multi-zone features, many of which were not present on the 3313.
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Originally Posted by woodyt74 View Post

Thanks, I have and made a note to call him on Monday because there was no real info online so I had no idea how good his prices are.

Per AVS Forum policy, prices other than MSRP on not supposed to be posted in these threads, rather only in the Special Deal threads; however, PM me if interested in learning his prices before Monday. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Nighthawk68 View Post

I just upgraded from an AVR-989 (avr-2809) to the X-4000, and I can say its a huge improvement in sound quality. One thing I always had to adjust on the 989 was the audio delay with HDMI sources, since going to the X-4000, I have not had to adjust that one single time. (Yes, I know, that wont make a difference if you choose the 2000, 3000, 3313 or the 4000).
I really like the new multi-zone features, many of which were not present on the 3313.

Yup .. the 3313CI took a hit by losing the PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax to Zones 2/3 featured on the earlier 331XCI models; however, the X4000 gains it back. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by woodyt74 View Post

Thanks, I have and made a note to call him on Monday because there was no real info online so I had no idea how good his prices are.
Craig's AVScience prices are quite competitive. You can also see other dealers here. Not all dealers will really bargain, however if you check the great deals found forum here, there is ample history of the ones that people trust here on AVS.
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I have an X2000, and one thing that I notice is that my settings keep changing back after I've set them. For example, I go to Media Player and I'm watching a movie and it doesn't sound "right" and I look and my subwoofer level has reverted back to -12.0 and Dialog Level is back to -2.5. Anyone else experience this or is there something I'm missing? I will admit I have not been through the manual yet.
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Thread Starter 
That shouldn't be happening. But have you run Audyssey? The -12 sub level indicates a major problem with your calibration. Please check out the Audyssey FAQs collected here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?page_id=37
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

That shouldn't be happening. But have you run Audyssey? The -12 sub level indicates a major problem with your calibration. Please check out the Audyssey FAQs collected here: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?page_id=37

Well, I ran Audyssey when I first turned it on. At least I thought so. I know I went through about 5 or 6 mic locations and it had "Complete" and "Continue". I figured it meant it had enough data to be complete or I could continue with the mic locations so I just hit "Complete".
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Originally Posted by blammo585 View Post

Well, I ran Audyssey when I first turned it on. At least I thought so. I know I went through about 5 or 6 mic locations and it had "Complete" and "Continue". I figured it meant it had enough data to be complete or I could continue with the mic locations so I just hit "Complete".

Hi blammo585, it should had an option to "store".
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

Thanks! I have a decent setup. I have Boston Acoustics floor standing plus a center channel. Axiom audio for rear surrounds. And an HSU subwoofer. All of them, 8 or 9 years old. I will so a bit more research on the x4000. And also will call AVS sales to check out the price.
BTW, sometime back last year I had bought the Denon 1912 and had it for a week (I ended up returning because the HDMI port on my old tv stopped working). The 1912 felt like a big improvement in the audio quality compared to my old 2803. So compared to that 1912 the X2000 itself should be an improvement because of the "XT" right? And one of the reasons I was considering X3000 was the instapreview feature. So without the instapreview how is the switching inputs in X2000 - the inputs can be labelled and with the OSD it shouldn't be a big deal right? - You can tell I'm trying to "justify" going with X2000 smile.gif
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To me X-4000 how many CM5 are you using or the whole set up?
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Yeah, this X2000 is going crazy today. While watching TV on Satellite it was set to DTS Cinema Movie. I changed the channel and it went to Dolby Pro Logic II. I notice this happening with the computer too. It's like it changes modes depending on what's playing. Say I play something from RecordedTV on the computer, all of that stuff is 2 channel so I put it on DTS Cinema Movie. Then I play something else on the computer that is only 2 channel and it changes to something else. To me, anything that is played on a source if it's only 2 channel should go to what it is set on (in this case DTS Cinema Movie). For satellite it almost seems to be changing for every channel that I put it on. If the channel is Dolby Digital then the receiver will go to Dolby Digital, but if the channel is only stereo it's like I have to change it to DTS Cinema Movie every time I put it on a different channel. Hmmmm, I'm going to test that theory.
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Presentation of the DENON AV RECEIVER AVR - X 4000 ( grobitv.com - German site)

Shows unboxing, views of contents, GUI, and other things.
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I'm still just gutted this thing can't do 11 channels. Such a powerhouse in every other regard!

James
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I'm pretty sure it's just people mistakenly conflating the 4520ci with the new naming nomenclature of the X series.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions Batpig.

Ken
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